Rumor: Rakell to Sibir Novosibirsk

[caliamad]

Ducks gm is playing game of chicken with rakell and lindholm. They are 2 key pieces to the ducks future so I hope he doesn't ***** the bed to save a little fahimi short term. These hard line tactics destroy relationships and I'm concerned even if he wins this round, the water will be poisoned for the next contract.

What bothers me more is the silly contracts he handed out to Bieksa, stoner, boll, and accepting Bernier when they were so many low cost option backup options.

How can you fight over rakell getting 2.5 million vs 1.5 when you have stoner getting paid 3.25 to be our 7th dman.

Same goes for rakell. He is better than most dmen in the league and the type of guy you build your defense around.

I'm not sure I love every contract Florida made this offseason but I respect them paying the players who deserve to be paid.

 

[BB88]

Ducks wouldn't trade Fowler for a late 1st + unless that + is a top 6 forward who isn't too expensive.

So again how are you going to solve this?
No one is going to pay fair value right now.

 

[Ducks in a row]

lmao bm is a great gm. chill. great drafting and good trades

I wouldn't call him a great GM

So again how are you going to solve this?
No one is going to pay fair value right now.

Then we don't trade Rakell

 

[BB88]

Then we don't trade Rakell

I'm asking how will you sign Lindhom& Rakell with 7.5M cap space?

 

[Vipers31]

Ricky Rakell is nor going to go play in Siberia that's for sure. Anyway the Ducks need to move a contract in order to fit both Lindholm and Rakell in.

To me Bob Murray's been one of if not thee worst GM in the league for quite a while now. And I am aware of their internal cap.

Cool. Meanwhile, his colleagues have been regarding him as one of the the and or the best GM in the league for quite a while now.

Seriously - the guy took over an organisation with limited money and no futures, rebuilt the team to be a perennial contender, and did so without even having to go through more than singular and few re-tooling campaigns. There's a dozen GMs walking around the league with near infinite resources who struggle to make a postseason. There is zero basis to have Murray in the bottom half of GMs, let alone near the end. It's complete lunacy and/or ignorance.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I'm asking how will you sign Lindhom& Rakell with 7.5M cap space?

I don't know but regardless we are not trading Rakell for nothing that helps us win now.

 

[Vipers31]

So again how are you going to solve this?
No one is going to pay fair value right now.

Why? Forget the "teams know the Ducks have to do something" narrative. It's true, but it's meaningless. What drives the market is supply and demand, nothing else. Everybody can be fully aware of the Ducks having to do something, as soon as two GMs feel that getting Fowler would be good for them, that's enough to get fair value. They aren't all lowballing and risking that the asset they'd actually like to get ends up with their competition for cheap.

 

[BB88]

I don't know but regardless we are not trading Rakell for nothing that helps us win now.

Doesn't sound promising, I wasn't even talking of trading Rakell.

Why? Forget the "teams know the Ducks have to do something" narrative. It's true, but it's meaningless. What drives the market is supply and demand, nothing else. Everybody can be fully aware of the Ducks having to do something, as soon as two GMs feel that getting Fowler would be good for them, that's enough to get fair value. They aren't all lowballing and risking that the asset they'd actually like to get ends up with their competition for cheap.

Just like Chicago got back for their players?
You have to move someone.

 

[Emerald Duck]

I'm asking how will you sign Lindhom& Rakell with 7.5M cap space?

By offering bridge contracts to one or both players and trading either Fowler or Despres to create some additional space. I'm not saying it is easy or it would already be done, but it's not like there is only one solution to this problem either.

Problem is how to stage everything without damaging the roster. If the RFAs get signed before the trades, then GMs will lower their offers to take advantage of the Ducks' need to move salary. If we do the trades first, then the two RFAs will become more emboldened about their salary demands.

We ultimately will have to make a trade to coincide with signing Lindholm and Rakell, so we risk creating a hole on the blue line and hope that we end up filling a hole up front. While most Ducks fans agree that we have to move a dman for forward help, there is a lot of disagreement about which dman and whether we have to have an NHL-ready top 6 forward now who fits within the salary budget or we can trade for futures and risk losing a year of Getzlaf/Perry/Kesler in their prime.

Certainly this problem was caused by Murray, so he'll have to fix it somehow. Whether we will like the result is unknown at this point.

 

[glenbuis]

Unless it is something like Gallagher or Galchenyuk (with us adding) nothing because we need to improve our forward core for now and the future and other then those players nothing else fits.



We don't want any defenseman we have enough even if we trade Fowler. We are not trading Fowler and Rakell don't even have any interest in trading Rakell who is our best young forward.

hes not gonna be any good to you in siberia. im just trying to help yous manage your assets.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Ricky Rakell is nor going to go play in Siberia that's for sure. Anyway the Ducks need to move a contract in order to fit both Lindholm and Rakell in.

To me Bob Murray's been one of if not thee worst GM in the league for quite a while now. And I am aware of their internal cap.

Outside of some good trades and phenomenal drafting. You do have a good point. He shot himself in the foot right now with this sad of a roster if Rakell leaves

 

[luki here]

Outside of some good trades and phenomenal drafting. You do have a good point. He shot himself in the foot right now with this sad of a roster if Rakell leaves

How well does Rakell play wing? I really like him in 2011.

 

[Gsus]

I think Siberia is seen as much worse than some areas actually are. Westerners have an image of Siberia as being some wide open expanse of nothing but ice. Seems to me that this city, while in Siberia, is in moderate climate, and is well connected to the rest of Russia. Yes, to most Southern Cali would seem better, but its not like he's signing in the arctic if he does sign this deal.

It's Russia and not a whole lot of players would go there if they aren't getting big money.

No way Rakell would leave for KHL.

 

[ffh]

I'm asking how will you sign Lindhom& Rakell with 7.5M cap space?

Bridge contracts.

 

[Exit Dose]

Let's see, we can trade Rakell for pennies on the dollar and guarantee that we have no shot at the playoffs, or we can risk losing someone to the expansion draft, if a trade doesn't materialize down the line, while giving us our best shot at the cup this year. This isn't really a tough choice.

 

[varano]

Cool. Meanwhile, his colleagues have been regarding him as one of the the and or the best GM in the league for quite a while now.

Seriously - the guy took over an organisation with limited money and no futures, rebuilt the team to be a perennial contender, and did so without even having to go through more than singular and few re-tooling campaigns. There's a dozen GMs walking around the league with near infinite resources who struggle to make a postseason. There is zero basis to have Murray in the bottom half of GMs, let alone near the end. It's complete lunacy and/or ignorance.

This is where I consider the Ducks a better organization than the Hawks...
The Ducks have a nice group of young talent along side big names like Perry and Getzlaf where the hawks continue to age and watch the window close.

 

[Heraldic]

Why? Forget the "teams know the Ducks have to do something" narrative. It's true, but it's meaningless. What drives the market is supply and demand, nothing else. Everybody can be fully aware of the Ducks having to do something, as soon as two GMs feel that getting Fowler would be good for them, that's enough to get fair value. They aren't all lowballing and risking that the asset they'd actually like to get ends up with their competition for cheap.

The return of Nick Leddy and Patrick Sharp had nothing to do with the time of the season and the situation Chicago was in?

It's not all about supply and demand, because GMs are not operating on ideal markets. Supply and demand most likely is the biggest factor, but by no means the only one.

Not all the teams that would create supply in a perfect market situation has means to actually create that (salary cap).

 

[Vipers31]

The return of Nick Leddy and Patrick Sharp had nothing to do with the time of the season and the situation Chicago was in?

Not as much as it's painted in hindsight, no. Leddy just wasn't seen as the player he proved capable in a bigger role afterwards. Sharp was an aging player with a bigger salary coming off a weaker season. The specifics about the players were making the market cautious, not some collaboration between GMs to artificially keep a price down.

It's not all about supply and demand, because GMs are not operating on ideal markets. Supply and demand most likely is the biggest factor, but by no means the only one.

Not all the teams that would create supply in a perfect market situation has means to actually create that (salary cap).

This one comes down to terminology, I think. I'd treat the salary cap, or rather the team's relation to it, just as one determining factor that drives the market. When a team doesn't have the means due to the cap, they aren't creating demand, there's no argument there.

 

[Vipers31]

This is where I consider the Ducks a better organization than the Hawks...
The Ducks have a nice group of young talent along side big names like Perry and Getzlaf where the hawks continue to age and watch the window close.

That's definitely a part of Murray's approach, probably somewhat necessarily. Anaheim isn't a huge hockey market - you can win a Cup and reap some rewards for a couple years, but going "all in" with future assets to roll the dice for a (few) playoff runs before moving on to a multi-year hard rebuild - that's probably taking the franchise to a real test, and the owners to deeply red numbers.

People look at it in different ways. I agree with the approach of finding success through sustained competetiveness, rather than cramming any asset into helping your chances within a perceived short-term window. Others will say that he has a contending team, and his unwillingness to pay top prospects or 1st round picks for rentals is showing a lack of a "killer instinct". It's especially debated with Dean Lombardi across town being the polar opposite. With the assets he burnt for Sekera and Lucic, things are looking somewhat bleak, but its hard to argue against the Cup wins (altough the driving pieces for those weren't too short-term, from what I remember, or not very expensive as in Gaborik's case).

 

[rt]

Rieder and a small plus?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Rieder and a small plus?

I doubt rakell is available, I'd think he is part of our long term plan.... and will be signed shortly.

 

[rt]

I doubt rakell is available, I'd think he is part of our long term plan.... and will be signed shortly.

Ducks fan or Novosibirsk fan?

 

[Dr Quincy]

I doubt rakell is available, I'd think he is part of our long term plan.... and will be signed shortly.

This would have made sense if you had posted it in July. It's September 24. The oft mentioned trade of someone to open up cap room to sign Lindholm and Rakell hasn't happened. Players have other options than to sit around into a season waiting for a GM to make a move. Murray may be correct that nobody else will craft an offer sheet or that neither guy may sign overseas for a year, but he may be wrong.

If Rakell and Lindholm are truly in the long term plans, and they should be, something needs to be done and time is getting shorter.

 

[TOGuy14]

It's Russia and not a whole lot of players would go there if they aren't getting big money.

No way Rakell would leave for KHL.

Really? We just had another higher profile young player (Nuke) sign in the KHL for what is essentially bridge contract money ~1.25M USD

 

[rt]

Really? We just had another higher profile young player (Nuke) sign in the KHL for what is essentially bridge contract money ~1.25M USD

Home town discount?