Rumor: Rakell to Sibir Novosibirsk

[BB88]

Basically this. If they don't want to sign we are eventually gonna be forced to move on and trade both players rights. It's simple as that

Trade for Bernier with 4.15M cap hit is making very little sense.

Difficult to see Anaheim get great value for whoever they are trading, Fowler most likely?

 

[Arthuros]

In lot of the "Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk" threads when someone has asked about the cap issues some of the Anaheim fans have been either simply ignoring those questions or pretty much answering there are no problems.
I've tried to ask many times what do you think is going to happen and never gotten a real answer.

Here we are with 7.5M cap space with Rakell& Lindholm unsigned and pre season has started.

That was strictly in the context of Lindholm offer sheets. Ducks fans are willing to match any offer sheets anyone would lob at them, but that's not what we'd offer him if we didn't need to, and nobody has the cap space or the picks to do so anyway.

If you've been watching all the threads this summer, you would've noticed that we've been nixing deals left and right because the cap space doesn't work. That was literally the no. 1 response by Ducks fans.

 

[Ducksgo*]

Trade for Bernier with 4.15M cap hit is making very little sense.

Difficult to see Anaheim get great value for whoever they are trading, Fowler most likely?

What other options do we have? We have two RFAs who haven't signed. And one player threatening to goto KHL

 

[91Fedorov]

Anaheim shouldn't have signed Vermette to a 2 year deal at 1.75mil a season and Jared Boll to a 2 year deal at 900K a season, for starters.

2.65mil that Vermette and Boll are making this season should have gone to some of Rakell's contract assuming Rakell signs for somewhere in the neighborhood of 3mil a season.

That is not a true statement at all. We would still need players in those spots. Many rookie contracts are 8-900,000.00 these days. Not signing Boll accomplishes nothing because the rookie that played in his place would use the same cap space. Same with Vermette except he is more expensive than a rookie. So the actual cap savings would be 850,000 to 1,050,000. One million or less is not the back breaker here.

 

[vorky]

Perhaps no written out clauses, but as the O'Reilly case has shown that's not necessarily required.

KHL contracts dont include out clauses. NA/European media claim they have, but it is not true, the media simply dont know KHL rules. KHL contract can be terminated by play or club (& payment of some % of rest of contract to other side) or mutual agreement (no payment). Look at Sobotka, if there were out clauses, he would be free to sign in NHL..... but right now he is not, because he has a deal in KHL and does not want to terminate the contract & pay to Omsk.

 

[BB88]

That was strictly in the context of Lindholm offer sheets. Ducks fans are willing to match any offer sheets anyone would lob at them, but that's not what we'd offer him if we didn't need to, and nobody has the cap space or the picks to do so anyway.

If you've been watching all the threads this summer, you would've noticed that we've been nixing deals left and right because the cap space doesn't work. That was literally the no. 1 response by Ducks fans.

So can you answer me what do you think is going to happen?

What other options do we have? We have two RFAs who haven't signed. And one player threatening to goto KHL

It sounds like your Gm isn't willing to admit that he has to lose a trade to be able to sign those 2.
I wouldn't mess up with signing of those 2, they are important pieces for Anaheim and for long time.

 

[Arthuros]

So can you answer me what do you think is going to happen?



It sounds like your Gm isn't willing to admit that he has to lose a trade to be able to sign those 2.
I wouldn't mess up with signing of those 2, they are important pieces for Anaheim and for long time.

Depth will remain terrible - that's a forgone conclusion. Rookies have to fill in those slots. But the main thing is, we'll lose Rakell before we lose Lindholm.

If we were going to find a new home for Fowler, it would've been done at the start of FA.

If Lindholm is traded, management deserves to be hanged and quartered.

 

[BB88]

Depth will remain terrible - that's a forgone conclusion. Rookies have to fill in those slots. But the main thing is, we'll lose Rakell before we lose Lindholm.

If we were going to find a new home for Fowler, it would've been done at the start of FA.

If Lindholm is traded, management deserves to be hanged and quartered.

I'm not expecting Lindholm to get moved, just look at Boston for the last 2 years and you know why.
Also would be terrible if Anaheim had to give up Rakell to create cap space.

I can't see how no team wouldn't trade for Fowler, there are so many teams and so many Gm's who'd love to improve their blueline, Fowler is signed for 2 more years at great cap hit and is build for this style of NHL.
Bostons blueline is screaming for help for example, puck moving defenseman in his prime.
I have to guess your Gm just isn't willing to sell low.

 

[Arthuros]

I'm not expecting Lindholm to get moved, just look at Boston for the last 2 years and you know why.
Also would be terrible if Anaheim had to give up Rakell to create cap space.

I can't see how no team wouldn't trade for Fowler, there are so many teams and so many Gm's who'd love to improve their blueline, Fowler is signed for 2 more years at great cap hit and is build for this style of NHL.
Bostons blueline is screaming for help for example, puck moving defenseman in his prime.
I have to guess your Gm just isn't willing to sell low.

Watch out, you'll trigger just about the entire state of New York.

Teams just aren't as high on him as us. That rumour of Fowler for the 2016 9th/10th is probably the closest we ever got to trading him.

 

[Theokritos]

NA/European media claim they have, but it is not true, the media simply dont know KHL rules. KHL contract can be terminated by play or club (& payment of some % of rest of contract to other side) or mutual agreement (no payment).

That's all fine, I'm not claiming otherwise. What I'm saying is that a club could promise a player to terminate his contract in mutual agreement if he comes to an agreement with an NHL club. It's not an out clause as in a clause written down in contract, but the effect is the same.

 

[vorky]

That's all fine, I'm not claiming otherwise. What I'm saying is that a club could promise a player to termine his contract in mutual agreement if he comes to an agreement with an NHL club. It's not an out clause as in a clause written down in contract, but the effect is the same.

yeah, agree

 

[BB88]

Watch out, you'll trigger just about the entire state of New York.

Teams just aren't as high on him as us. That rumour of Fowler for the 2016 9th/10th is probably the closest we ever got to trading him.

That's tough to get when Gm's know someone has to go.

I would have easily moved the late 1st+ for Fowler.

 

[Vipers31]

KHL contracts dont include out clauses. NA/European media claim they have, but it is not true, the media simply dont know KHL rules. KHL contract can be terminated by play or club (& payment of some % of rest of contract to other side) or mutual agreement (no payment).

An "out clause" is nothing but a pre-negotiated mutual agreement for a certain later scenario / point in time.

 

[Halla]

Out clause or not; if he participates in a game in the KHL while the NHL season as begun, he will need to go through waivers to come back to the Ducks.

As for the story itself, no one in their right mind would leave a team in California for a small market KHL team.

nailed it. Similar to the ROR situation.

leafs would happily take rackell off waivers if he starts in the KHL

 

[Ducksgo*]

nailed it. Similar to the ROR situation.

leafs would happily take rackell off waivers if he starts in the KHL

And then we are screwed. This is why Rakell needs to be traded before he signs in the KHL. But Murray obviously can't see the light of day right now.

If we lose Rakell??? Do you know how bad our wing position would be without an immediate fowler trade to bolster the lines? Yah it's that fricken bad if Rakell leaves.

That leaves only rookie Nick Ritchie to service the wing and Jones as a call up. We are EXTREMELY thin and vulnerable right now on wing and may be screwed.

 

[Halla]

And then we are screwed. This is why Rakell needs to be traded before he signs in the KHL. But Murray obviously can't see the light of day right now.

If we lose Rakell??? Do you know how bad our wing position would be without an immediate fowler trade to bolster the lines? Yah it's that fricken bad if Rakell leaves.

That leaves only rookie Nick Ritchie to service the wing and Jones as a call up. We are EXTREMELY thin and vulnerable right now on wing and may be screwed.

Rakell wants what 3M?

Bernier is making 2.15 in real cash, Vermette 1.75, Boll 0.9. ..

surely they coulda saved at least 3M grabbing a guy like enroth and a couple vet PTO guys

 

[Ducksgo*]

Rakell wants what 3M?

Bernier is making 2.15 in real cash, Vermette 1.75, Boll 0.9. ..

surely they coulda saved at least 3M grabbing a guy like enroth and a couple vet PTO guys

Yup and that's Murray for you he ****ed this up real bad if we can't get Rakell back unless through waivers if he plays a KHL game.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Rakell
Welinski

For

Teravainen
Tolchinsky
Altshuller

 

[Ducks in a row]

They should really move on that trade (Rakell + Fowler) for Pacioretty!

Nope

Depends on how negotiations with the Ducks are going. Getting paid in the KHL vs sitting and waiting for the Ducks to give a fair deal...I could see why somebody might want the security of taking the KHL deal.

I can also see that it could very well be a tactic by his agent. Get the deal done or we'll go to the KHL.

Sign a bridge deal with Anaheim vs. going to the KHL to make similar type of money hmm...

Anaheim is stupidly vulnerable to an offer sheet for Rakell. 3x3, and you're almost guaranteed to get him.

That isn't almost guaranteed to get him we will match that.

Anaheim shouldn't have signed Vermette to a 2 year deal at 1.75mil a season and Jared Boll to a 2 year deal at 900K a season, for starters.

2.65mil that Vermette and Boll are making this season should have gone to some of Rakell's contract assuming Rakell signs for somewhere in the neighborhood of 3mil a season.

Boll we shouldn't of signed but getting Vermette for 1.75 a year for 2 years is a good signing. Thompson is out with injury for a while and we needed to improve our forward core and still do even after signing him.

That's tough to get when Gm's know someone has to go.

I would have easily moved the late 1st+ for Fowler.

Ducks wouldn't trade Fowler for a late 1st + unless that + is a top 6 forward who isn't too expensive.

Rakell
Welinski

For

Teravainen
Tolchinsky
Altshuller

Nope

 

[glenbuis]

Nope



Sign a bridge deal with Anaheim vs. going to the KHL to make similar type of money hmm...



That isn't almost guaranteed to get him we will match that.



Boll we shouldn't of signed but getting Vermette for 1.75 a year for 2 years is a good signing. Thompson is out with injury for a while and we needed to improve our forward core and still do even after signing him.



Ducks wouldn't trade Fowler for a late 1st + unless that + is a top 6 forward who isn't too expensive.



Nope

well if you cant solve the rakell issue what would you take from montreal for him ?

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Anaheim shouldn't have signed Vermette to a 2 year deal at 1.75mil a season and Jared Boll to a 2 year deal at 900K a season, for starters.

2.65mil that Vermette and Boll are making this season should have gone to some of Rakell's contract assuming Rakell signs for somewhere in the neighborhood of 3mil a season.

Vermette is slotted to be the ducks 3rd line center, the value is good there.
Boll OTOH is a total waste of capspace and a disaster of a signing, he brings nothing to the table anymore

 

[glenbuis]

pacioretty ( 20 per cent retained )3.6million and beaulieu for fowler - conditional on extension signed - and rakall.

 

[Ducks in a row]

well if you cant solve the rakell issue what would you take from montreal for him ?

Unless it is something like Gallagher or Galchenyuk (with us adding) nothing because we need to improve our forward core for now and the future and other then those players nothing else fits.

pacioretty ( 20 per cent retained )3.6million and beaulieu for fowler - conditional on extension signed - and rakall.

We don't want any defenseman we have enough even if we trade Fowler. We are not trading Fowler and Rakell don't even have any interest in trading Rakell who is our best young forward.

 

[hirawl]

Ricky Rakell is nor going to go play in Siberia that's for sure. Anyway the Ducks need to move a contract in order to fit both Lindholm and Rakell in.

To me Bob Murray's been one of if not thee worst GM in the league for quite a while now. And I am aware of their internal cap.

 

[lindholmie]

Ricky Rakell is nor going to go play in Siberia that's for sure. Anyway the Ducks need to move a contract in order to fit both Lindholm and Rakell in.

To me Bob Murray's been one of if not thee worst GM in the league for quite a while now. And I am aware of their internal cap.

lmao bm is a great gm. chill. great drafting and good trades