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I take Morosi with a little more of a grain of salt than the other big talking heads, but I think he's going to be right about this one. There's nowhere for the Nationals to go from here -- Soto isn't going to be extended and the relationship has to have soured. It's better to rip off the bandaid in season and then be able to pivot in the offseason, though they never should have gotten themselves into this situation in the first place.

The delusional part of me would not hate seeing us go ahead and take on most of Corbin to buy a prospect or other talent, but the problem is that the Nationals don't really have any depth to deal from as far as I can see. Corbin is owed an enormous amount of money relative to our payroll, but if enough of the 2025 salary got paid down, maybe he dials in an approach that works at PNC Park.

Regardless of fantasyland scenarios, it seems like a possible Soto trade might hold up deals today. I really don't expect us to be too active, but Newman makes a lot of sense as a fit on the Yankees.
 
Have to figure that today is about maybe Newman and definitely the start of a 40-man roster churn that will continue into the offseason. There are some guys in the system like Burrows who will need to be added due to the Rule 5 being skipped last year (and he'll presumably be added for September spot starts if we get to that point). Just at a quick glance, between now and the offseason you have spots available for Marisnik, Allen, Tsutsugo, VanMeter, Park, Newman and I would imagine 4-5 pitchers in all likelihood.

I could see Allen surviving in order to get a longer look at him, and it's possible we don't trade Newman. What will be difficult to stomach is if VanMeter and Yoshi are still with the team tonight, much less playing. I am expecting at least the former, but it shouldn't be too hard to have planned for Marcano to arrive at the very least. With Gamel and Newman still very possibly going, there might be a little too much roster uncertainty to turn over the 26-man roster entirely today. We'll see.

I'm still hoping we'll see a surprise move to acquire a change of scenery candidate. Dom Smith is the perfect mix of possible upside, greatest need, and availability. He'll probably have multiple suitors but the price can't be that high and even if you want to be wildly optimistic that we'll try to sign somebody like Mancini along with pitching in the winter, Smith is a better candidate than internal options or VanMeter like spring training dumpster diving.

Andujar is annoying to hear about at this point but the Yankees seem set on trading him so he'll end up on one of the bad teams in the league. I still like the RH power, and I'm at the point of being ok with any signs of life in terms of change and chasing immediate impact.

I think ultimately, the over/under today is 1.5 trades and I wouldn't be that floored if we don't do any at all. Newman should have a landing spot and depth reasons dictate that you should do it, and I also think BC based on his actions is perfectly fine to tank the remainder of the season and try for as high of a pick as possible. I also think it might be possible that he'll try to trade a prospect for a prospect-- maybe somebody like Swaggerty for a similar guy or even a pitching prospect who has had some shine wear off. I think he could also really surprise and flip one of the pitchers. It doesn't line up with some of the other moves he's made, but I just have a weird feeling he might be shopping around and looking to make a bigger trade.

If I were able to totally call my shots in the style of MLB The Show, I'd pay a modest cost to get Dom Smith and then I'd see if the Royals might bite on something like Swaggerty+ or Peguero+ for Daniel Lynch.

Dom Smith is one of the few guys who's struggled a lot lately that might be worth giving 2 months of time at 1B. We don't really have anyone ready to play there anyway, so he could have a 2 month audition for a bigger role next year. If he shits the bed, you just stick him in AAA and then eventually DFA him.
 
Padres showing the world how not to run a small market team IMO. Maybe they prove me wrong, but I don't think this all ends well for them.

Well, I don't think they're a small market team these days. IIRC they took advantage of a massive TV deal not terribly long ago. I could be mistaken though, without looking it back up.


They're already north of 200M and Soto would put them almost in that top tier with the Yanks/Dodgers/Mets.
 
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Orioles with a pretty blah return for 2.5 years of their closer. Between that and Mancini, I'd be pretty mad if I were an O's fan right now.

That Lopez trade does not bode well for a surprise move of Bednar, IMO. I'm not against the idea on principle, but if you aren't getting someone with meaningful everyday upside, there's no point. Just keep him and hope you've acquired enough to turn the bullpen around into a strength with a couple more interesting options like Thomas on the horizon for 2023.

I feel fairly confident that we'll move Newman for a fairly mediocre return and then he'll continue hitting a whole bunch. I don't know that I can fully get with keeping Newman, but it might be a roster management issue. It's the same with Stratton -- if we're repurposing the small handful of millions that is saved by clearing these guys out into making a serious bid at Quintana or someone else, along with an everyday bat, then I'm fine with a general attitude of clearing house, but otherwise I need to see evidence that we're adding MLB talent and not just shipping it out, because that kicks the rebuilding can one more year.

Even with a fairly optimistic take, I am not yet seeing how 2023 is enough of a step up, and so for me, a lot is riding on a serious extension with Reynolds. That would buy you some time to be patient for one more year of ups and downs but with real progress made, whereas if it doesn't happen, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that he should have been dealt last summer. One thing that might not be worth underestimating is how mad Nutting was that we were set to go to arbitration with Reynolds, but there's a yawning gap between that sentiment and actually going to Reynolds' camp with a 6 year offer to lock him in.
 
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I think if the Pads gave up Gore, Abrams, and Cronenworth as a starting point they could land Soto & Bell.
 
I think if the Pads gave up Gore, Abrams, and Cronenworth as a starting point they could land Soto & Bell.

It'll be more than that. You can probably throw in Hassell and Wood.

Speaking of Abrams, he's yet another top prospect league wide who's struggled out of the gate. Gore has also really regressed as the year has gone on, but he's 23 and generally young arms tire.

Honestly, the Padres system is more shine that actual prestige IMO.
 
It'll be more than that. You can probably throw in Hassell and Wood.

Speaking of Abrams, he's yet another top prospect league wide who's struggled out of the gate. Gore has also really regressed as the year has gone on, but he's 23 and generally young arms tire.

Honestly, the Padres system is more shine that actual prestige IMO.
I think Preller amps up their value by being in on everyone with the hot stove. Increases their perception.
 
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Wood's stock is soaring and it seems to me like the Padres really do not want to give up Hassell. I think if the package started with both of them along with Abrams, that's as good as it might get for the Nationals, assuming that some pitching depth is also included.

The Dodgers can outbid them if they are willing to move Cartaya as a centerpiece, but I am not sure they will, even despite having Smith, and the Nats have Ruiz in any case.

It's definitely a no-win situation for the Nationals, but I have the sense that there's enough of a bidding war that they'll just do it. I think the Yankees could be a dark horse, but ultimately it'd be a little convoluted in terms of having to navigate a Judge extension. It makes more sense if they are not going to pursue anything with Judge, as their system will bounce back and they could try to keep Soto longterm instead, who is a much better franchise megastar to bet on. I only mention them because I think everyone (especially Yankees fans) has written off Cashman as a prospect hoarder for so long now.
 
Wood's stock is soaring and it seems to me like the Padres really do not want to give up Hassell. I think if the package started with both of them along with Abrams, that's as good as it might get for the Nationals, assuming that some pitching depth is also included.

The Dodgers can outbid them if they are willing to move Cartaya as a centerpiece, but I am not sure they will, even despite having Smith, and the Nats have Ruiz in any case.

It's definitely a no-win situation for the Nationals, but I have the sense that there's enough of a bidding war that they'll just do it. I think the Yankees could be a dark horse, but ultimately it'd be a little convoluted in terms of having to navigate a Judge extension. It makes more sense if they are not going to pursue anything with Judge, as their system will bounce back and they could try to keep Soto longterm instead, who is a much better franchise megastar to bet on. I only mention them because I think everyone (especially Yankees fans) has written off Cashman as a prospect hoarder for so long now.

If you're not coming away with a team's top 2-3 prospects + additional pieces, for Soto, you're losing your ass IMO.

If you believe 3-4 teams are in on him, and you couple the fact that Soto is Soto, I'd be shocked, literally flabbergasted if a team could avoid giving up their top trade chip(s) for him.

You mentioned the Yankees. Unless Volpe is the centerpiece, you can cross them off. I don't even engage them if Volpe isn't the first of 3-4 names coming back, Maybe more depending on the names.

I think the return is going to be huge.
 
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Source: #Padres on the verge of acquiring Juan Soto. Deal is believed to be nearing final stages. @MLBNetwork @MLB
 
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on Morosi

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Sources: #Padres and #Nationals have agreed in principle on a Juan Soto trade, with Josh Bell also going to San Diego. @MLB @MLBNetwork
 


Insane, they had to include Bell to get the three prospects who should have been the starting point for Soto, a player who it is literally hard to imagine having more value.
 
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Insane, they had to include Bell to get the three prospects who should have been the starting point for Soto, a player who it is literally hard to imagine having more value.

Yeah but he's probably only perceived as a value by a handful of teams at $400 million dollars. I think that's pretty obvious from what they got for him.
 
Looks like Gore is in the deal too. Honestly, those 4 at the front of a deal is more than I expected would go. The return for Soto and Bell alone would have been light (I think it's light for Soto alone), but adding Gore makes it not as horrible.

Edit: Passan just tweeted that there's one more MLB player in the deal going to Washington.
 
Ho-hum. Told ya.

It'll be more than that. You can probably throw in Hassell and Wood.

Speaking of Abrams, he's yet another top prospect league wide who's struggled out of the gate. Gore has also really regressed as the year has gone on, but he's 23 and generally young arms tire.

Honestly, the Padres system is more shine that actual prestige IMO.

Good on Washington. Gore involved as well. That's quality.
 
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