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This team has a major problem w/RISP.

I'm just not enthused to watch this team with Shelton leading it. The 19-2 debacle and what he did to Vieux was the last straw. And quite frankly given the fact that we've already seen guys leave and become signficantly better w/their new team (Musgrove/Taillon/Holmes) that were P under the current staff, I want Marin shot into the sun. Haines has had to work with a ton of rookies/youngster though Hayes continues to be a singles only hitter with an OPS south of 700 and nobody has really taken off, he could be sent out as well.
 
This is the kind of at bat that Reynolds is paid to get a hit on. They need him to get a hit here.

Hader is missing his spots horribly.

Aaaaaand he flew out weakly.
 
Hader gifted us that inning as it were and we still couldn't come through.

Suwinski should never be hitting in the bottom 3rd of the lineup. Either should Cruz though his K rate is not sustainable people. Just cannot continue K'ing in the mid 30's moving forward.
 
Yeah, that's a bummer, but the Brewers have such an old school build where you have to get ahead of their SP or you won't get to the bullpen. Nice to have a split against them even if we had to endure the bi-weekly extra-awful game. A fair number of small individual positives in today's game.

I'm not really looking forward to the roster moves that are coming up tomorrow or Tuesday. Even though Madris isn't exactly a prospect, he's the kind of player you might as well give max ABs to in a season like this and he's more than held his own. I guess best case scenario is that we play the veterans some for a few weeks and the rookies are back up in early August but ... bleh.

One thing I am starting to wonder is if the Yankees could be a good fit for Newman. Kiner-Falefa has not really done much for them, including defensively, and they obviously have a lineup where Newman not being anything more than a contact guy would be fine. A swap for Andujar might be interesting -- gives some RH power and more options as a guy to rotate into the corners and DH.
 
Kinda funny we have all these utility players up the middle and a potential tactical nuke. There’s Newman, Park, Marcano, Vanmeter, Tucker, Chang…. and ONeil Cruz. Gonzalez going down was a kick in the shins But regardless we need to find balance from the top down I’m also in the camp that Cruz will eventually need to go to right field A few years down the road.
 
Banuelos seems like a pretty interesting pickup. Looks like he has a pretty interesting story, and Yankees fans really seem to like him / think that the trade is partially about giving him a shot. He was putting up some decent starts in AAA along with shorter appearances.

It wasn't clear to me from Cherington's comments on his show if he would start or not, but I imagine we have a sort of flexible plan to cover X innings from a number of the multi-inning guys with the team now. Banuelos doesn't have any options as best as I can tell, so you would think he'll get a fair amount of run. Two more years of arbitration, and we obviously have bullpen depth issues.

I still hope we can either claim Toussaint or do a similar minor trade to get him. I would bet Vieaux goes for Banuelos, and Peters will still need a spot -- Austin Brice -- but we can still try Toussaint out in AAA and I'm sure there will be an opportunity before too long.
 


Scratch that, but not a huge surprise with us already adding Banuelos. That would be a lot of roster churn in the next few days with 5-6 guys already needing to be added.

In general, I think one of the things I'd like to see is us try and do is shuffle the deck with the bullpen more. It's foolish to count too much on year-to-year performances, but we have a few possible pieces for next year and need to be identifying other future candidates. That's why I liked the possibility of Toussaint, but there might be other guys on teams in playoff chases who end up as roster space casualties. Of the group we have, besides Bednar and Crowe, I like what I'm seeing in Beede for the most part. If Banuelos can be effective and you have Peters back, maybe things shape up better next year, but regardless of how you draw it up now, it should be a priority.
 
Jack Leiter not off to a great start in his career. ERA in the mid 5's. Walking a ton of batters, and on the developmental list for Texas with arm fatigue.

Didn't understand him starting in AA with such a limited collegiate background and it clearly was an overwhelming league for him.

Still think Rocker ends up the better P between them.
 
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of risk to taking a pitcher so highly. I kind of want to Monday morning quarterback the selection of Gonzales over Detmers (and not just because of his no hitter), but he's also had some ups and downs. I've come around much more to the idea that defaulting to a bat, especially with the very top 3-5 picks, is typically the smartest move, and doubly so if it allows you to hammer more on Ps with the next few picks.

I'm still pretty unconvinced by the overall pitching strategy, and I hope it's not to try and fully emulate the Rays in this regard. For starters, you need substantial depth to be able to do that, and even though this is cart before the horse, I don't think that approach works in the playoffs.

I think Robinson is useful for getting more out of pitchers as a collective group, but I don't see a way around trying to add via trade or free agency. Someone who might be interesting in this regard is German Marquez, who has been up and down again this year. You'd have to think that the Rockies might be willing to get more aggressive with trading him this summer, since if his value dips even more or he gets hurt, they are totally out of luck. He might be more attainable with a quantity/depth type package, though with just 2 years left on his contract (next year and a team option for 2024), it would be necessary to be a lot more aggressive for 2023 than I am currently expecting.
 
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Yeah, there's definitely a lot of risk to taking a pitcher so highly. I kind of want to Monday morning quarterback the selection of Gonzales over Detmers (and not just because of his no hitter), but he's also had some ups and downs. I've come around much more to the idea that defaulting to a bat, especially with the very top 3-5 picks, is typically the smartest move, and doubly so if it allows you to hammer more on Ps with the next few picks.

I'm still pretty unconvinced by the overall pitching strategy, and I hope it's not to try and fully emulate the Rays in this regard. For starters, you need substantial depth to be able to do that, and even though this is cart before the horse, I don't think that approach works in the playoffs.

I think Robinson is useful for getting more out of pitchers as a collective group, but I don't see a way around trying to add via trade or free agency. Someone who might be interesting in this regard is German Marquez, who has been up and down again this year. You'd have to think that the Rockies might be willing to get more aggressive with trading him this summer, since if his value dips even more or he gets hurt, they are totally out of luck. He might be more attainable with a quantity/depth type package, though with just 2 years left on his contract (next year and a team option for 2024), it would be necessary to be a lot more aggressive for 2023 than I am currently expecting.
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I know it will never happen but I truly think the Bucs would be well served spending big on 1 ace arm (Musgrove or Rodon are my top targets) to be the guy for the next 5-7 years. I'd like to see us bring in a legit #1 just to see if they could continue doing their thing here or....

......Trusting the developmental aspect of P to our staff, MLB or otherwise, seems to be a disaster. It's not just the Hurdle/Huntington era P who largely went onto bigger and better performances once they left, it's happening again with the current regime.

The good news is there is nobody worth taking from the P ranks at 4. I don't know if any P goes in the top 10 this year due to the insane amount of injuries in the class. The crazy thing is if Rocker does go the Padres or Phillies (mid 1st), he'll probably end up being the 2nd-4th P off the board.

I'm seeing Contreras start to really struggle with command after it was pretty darn impressive the past year in the upper minors. I'm seeing Quinn Priester look like Mitch Keller though it's still early for him as he just came back a few weeks ago. Mike Burrows jumps to AAA and is getting roughed up after dominating AA. Where are the SP in the minor/major league performing well above the bar?
 
I mean he went out and showed plus stuff and dominated a league he should dominate, about 6 months after surgery, so how major could it have been? Major shoulder surgery is generally a longer rehab time than TJ. Given that he's sent out his medicals and thrown very well (60+ pitches his last start), the Mets seem like they were simply not willing to meet Rocker's monetary demands.

I do feel the questions on the fastball. He needs to add a bit more spin to it and get it to move. Potentially opt for a sinker approach. The command will dictate how well he does though, above all else. He's got a plus-plus slider and a plus cutter certainly.

If he falls into the 20's I think there is a very real chance we could go to he/Boras and say, look, we'll throw you 4M at 36 and nobody else, sans the O's or the Dbacks can really offer you more.

With that being said, there doesn't seem to be any real connection to him by the Pirates so getting my/your hopes up is probably a pointless waste of energy.

 
How the heck we get screwed out of playing today?!?!?

As someone on the radio pointed out, you put the Yankee series with a start date of today, and you probably get a sellout crowd today.
 
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I know it will never happen but I truly think the Bucs would be well served spending big on 1 ace arm (Musgrove or Rodon are my top targets) to be the guy for the next 5-7 years. I'd like to see us bring in a legit #1 just to see if they could continue doing their thing here or....
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Yeah, I agree fully, both that it should happen and that I know it will never happen. Musgrove is the perfect hybrid of a guy who gives you lots of quantity as well front of the rotation stuff. He's continued taking steps forward, starting with his final stretch here. Even setting aside the obvious that many big markets are willing to pay for pitching, San Diego is his hometown team so there will be lots of pressure to keep him and I'm sure he probably wants to stay if his price is met.

That's why I'm pushing for a bit more of a risk on Marquez. The Rockies are always impossible to truly figure out, since they don't totally make moves based on contract commitments, but they aren't going anywhere this year and Marquez is a potentially depreciating asset.

We should have the depth to make a decent run at him. Maybe you combine a package of Mitchell/Swaggerty and Castro/Bae for example. Any of those guys could be an above average regular and have decent enough floors with their carrying skills. It'd be a risk, for sure, but if you are confident in Suwinski and Marcano, for example, then it's depth you can deal from.

I've been thinking all summer that a package headlined by Bae for Montas would be the ideal outcome, but unless he's hurt in which case it's a moot point, there's going to be a lot of competition which will drive up the price, and it really doesn't make sense to pay that premium unless you are already all-in to extend Montas and make him your FOR starter for 4-5 years, which extends this already impossible idea into the truly insane. Marquez has consistently been a nice 3-3.5 WAR pitcher at Coors, so even though he's struggled this year, I can definitely stomach the small risk of a good player in Swaggerty or Bae headlining a package with a decent depth/intrigue guy like Mitchell or Castro being the second package. If Marquez even just returns to form or slightly below, something like a 2.5-3 WAR pitcher, that's still well worth the prospect price, especially when you look at free agency.
 
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How the heck we get screwed out of playing today?!?!?

As someone on the radio pointed out, you put the Yankee series with a start date of today, and you probably get a sellout crowd today.
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Yankees wanted the 4th off so they got it lol
 


Here's another guy to add to the mix for #36. Hadn't seen any video of him before, but reportedly he had a very impressive combine. I think some of the pitchers on their way back from TJ could be selected in the first round, but outside of maybe 1 or 2 (there are at least 5 or 6), I think it's more the back of the first round and comp round. Definitely a lot of questions to figure out if you take a recovering pitcher, but it also seems like a good high reward move.
 
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I know it will never happen but I truly think the Bucs would be well served spending big on 1 ace arm (Musgrove or Rodon are my top targets) to be the guy for the next 5-7 years. I'd like to see us bring in a legit #1 just to see if they could continue doing their thing here or....

......Trusting the developmental aspect of P to our staff, MLB or otherwise, seems to be a disaster. It's not just the Hurdle/Huntington era P who largely went onto bigger and better performances once they left, it's happening again with the current regime.

The good news is there is nobody worth taking from the P ranks at 4. I don't know if any P goes in the top 10 this year due to the insane amount of injuries in the class. The crazy thing is if Rocker does go the Padres or Phillies (mid 1st), he'll probably end up being the 2nd-4th P off the board.

I'm seeing Contreras start to really struggle with command after it was pretty darn impressive the past year in the upper minors. I'm seeing Quinn Priester look like Mitch Keller though it's still early for him as he just came back a few weeks ago. Mike Burrows jumps to AAA and is getting roughed up after dominating AA. Where are the SP in the minor/major league performing well above the bar?
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I agree on the development aspect. It’s the one thing holding us back. I can deal with the low payroll and lack of aggressive moves in free agency but holy hell we need to have a top notch development staff. The talent this organization has right now is insane. But I have zero faith in getting those players to maximize their talent.
 
Bae continues to rake. 2-3 today with a walk and his 20th SB. Top 15ish prospect in our system, when does he get a chance? Cal Mitchell has been on fire since being sent back down, nice to see. Hope he gets another crack later this year.
 
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