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Player Discussion Rafaël Harvey-Pinard

26Mats said:
On the other hand, he was producing when he first got here and was put on the 4th line. It was that production that lead him to get a look innthe top 9 - similar to Byron and Danault recently when they started playing with the Habs, and even Plekanec when he started.
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No one consistently shoots at 35% (or even 25%).

He would need to shoot a lot more to keep up that goalscoring pace career wise.

Most likely a 10-15 goal guy with a few 20 goals season in his career, which would be an absolute win as a 7th round pick.
 
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26Mats said:
On the other hand, he was producing when he first got here and was put on the 4th line. It was that production that lead him to get a look innthe top 9 - similar to Byron and Danault recently when they started playing with the Habs, and even Plekanec when he started.
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Yeah he deserved the bump but that’s also when he was shooting 35%. He had 3 points in his last 14 games before tonight and it’s with him playing on the first line so his production has been down for a while, but at least when he is not producing he is still works well.

It’s just inevitable that he won’t produce like that forever and that he gets a boost in production because of the circumstances. Still happy for him, though!
 
26Mats said:
On the other hand, he was producing when he first got here and was put on the 4th line. It was that production that lead him to get a look innthe top 9 - similar to Byron and Danault recently when they started playing with the Habs, and even Plekanec when he started.
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Suzuki started on the 4th line too, and he made his way up by displaying his intelligence on the ice
 
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Treb said:
No one consistently shoots at 35% (or even 25%).

He would need to shoot a lot more to keep up that goalscoring pace career wise.

Most likely a 10-15 goal guy with a few 20 goals season in his career, which would be an absolute win as a 7th round pick.
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Whatever the percentages are for him eventually being a 10 to 16 goal guy or a 17 to 25 goal guy or a 25+ goal guy, the proof will be in the pudding.

If we were to start next season with our current forward depth chart, in my book he'd get a full season next year to show what he has in the top 9. So, we'll see what moves Hughes makes and then if RHP gets his top 9 chance, and the perhaps start to see the reality of what he is when he's in the top 9, regardless of the speculation and current projections.

I really don't want to see Hoffman, Armia and Gallagher taking ice time away away from the youth like Ylonen, RHP, Slaf, Gurianov, and Heineman if they show signs they're ready. We'll see...Some already think we passed on claiming Tolvanen because there was no room in the lineup, given we had to play those vets plus Drouin and Dadonov. Smdh.
 
SuzukiSZN said:
Yeah he deserved the bump but that’s also when he was shooting 35%. He had 3 points in his last 14 games before tonight and it’s with him playing on the first line so his production has been down for a while, but at least when he is not producing he is still works well.

It’s just inevitable that he won’t produce like that forever and that he gets a boost in production because of the circumstances. Still happy for him, though!
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And I can go look on espn.com at Suzuki's game log and pull out a 13 game stretch where Suzuki had 3 points in 13 games from December 10th to January 5th. And many in the media at that time based on that small sample were saying: oh Suzuki is nothing but a 2c, he's come back down to earth to who he really is after a hot start.

We'll see what RHP is over the long haul, whatever any small sizes say. And at this point all we have are small sample sizes. Hopefully he earns a full year next year to show what he is.
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Both him and Ylonen have proven more than anything that they deserve an extended look next season. I think they are both bottom 6 players who can swing up to supplement a top 6 line for injuries or just to provide a different look/edge to a line.
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I also believe they will be in a dog fight at camp to solidfy their spots. Many fans tend to forget how much easier the game is when nothing is on the line and you aren't gripping your stick as tightly. As much as Drouin's resurgence doesn't mean a heck of a lot in that context neither does RHP and Ylonen.
My guess is one of the two make the show and the odds on favorite has to be RHP.
 
rickthegoon said:
Looking at his contribution on ice, and the numbers he's putting up, he's not playing like a ´depth ´ player. Pezzeta is a depth player, Armia, when he plays is a depth player, Pitlick is a depth player, Gallagher is a depth player, Drouin is a depth player. We could go on and on.
RHP has put 75% of our forwards way back in the rear view mirror; even if it's a short sample.
Kid deserves a little more consideration .
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Drouin is one of our top two scorers since Jan 1st.

I think if the Habs can't get Monahan to re-up, they might offer Drouin a cheap contract.
 
WeThreeKings said:
They will not sign Drouin again.

They don't have enough spots for bodies, they're not gonna convolute it to have Drouin back.
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Yeah we are at 11 F under contract if we include Farrell and 5 RFAs: Caufield, Gurianov, Ylonen, Harvey-Pinard, and Pezzetta all of whom have a case for being on the NHL roster. There really isn't room for a guy like Drouin.
 
Sorinth said:
Yeah we are at 11 F under contract if we include Farrell and 5 RFAs: Caufield, Gurianov, Ylonen, Harvey-Pinard, and Pezzetta all of whom have a case for being on the NHL roster. There really isn't room for a guy like Drouin.
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Nor should there be.. I'd sign Tierney back long before I signed Drouin.

Nick Suzuki
Kirby Dach
Christian Dvorak
Jake Evans

That's your 3 centers.

Joel Armia
Mike Hoffman
Josh Anderson
Cole Caufield
Juraj Slafkovsky

Are 5 wingers that are scheduled to be there.

Pitlick
Pezzetta

Are guys that are going to hang around and either be up and down waivers.

Decision to be made on Gurianov.

Then you have RHP and Ylonen who will require waivers.

RHP-Suzuki-Anderson
Slafkovsky-Dach-Caufield
Gurianov-Dvorak-Hoffman
Armia-Evans-Ylonen
Pezzetta

Then you have Farrell who could easily make it into that line-up. Pitlick and Belzile might be around as well. There's just no reason to bring back anyone like Drouin at all.

Edit: I also forgot Gallagher, lmfao
 
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Kind of nice to see a Gallagher-type replacement arrive exactly when needed. I could see him succeeding as a hard-working, goal mouth presence on a line with more skilled guys like Dach, Suzuki, Caufield.

Now, to be a better, more effective Gallagher he would have to do two things IMO:

- keep your game as clean as possible and do not develop a reputation as a pest among the refs
- do not take multiple Shea Weber slap shots to the hands
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Nor should there be.. I'd sign Tierney back long before I signed Drouin.

Nick Suzuki
Kirby Dach
Christian Dvorak
Jake Evans

That's your 3 centers.

Joel Armia
Mike Hoffman
Josh Anderson
Cole Caufield
Juraj Slafkovsky

Are 5 wingers that are scheduled to be there.

Pitlick
Pezzetta

Are guys that are going to hang around and either be up and down waivers.

Decision to be made on Gurianov.

Then you have RHP and Ylonen who will require waivers.

RHP-Suzuki-Anderson
Slafkovsky-Dach-Caufield
Gurianov-Dvorak-Hoffman
Armia-Evans-Ylonen
Pezzetta

Then you have Farrell who could easily make it into that line-up. Pitlick and Belzile might be around as well. There's just no reason to bring back anyone like Drouin at all.

Edit: I also forgot Gallagher, lmfao
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Add Heineman too.

Two or three guys need to be traded to make some room for guys that are ready.
 
Non Player Canadiens said:
Kind of nice to see a Gallagher-type replacement arrive exactly when needed. I could see him succeeding as a hard-working, goal mouth presence on a line with more skilled guys like Dach, Suzuki, Caufield.

Now, to be a better, more effective Gallagher he would have to do two things IMO:

- keep your game as clean as possible and do not develop a reputation as a pest among the refs
- do not take multiple Shea Weber slap shots to the hands
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Good post. I actually see him as an hybrid between Gally and Marchand. Won't produce much on a 4th line but really gems out when paired with talent. His production is following on every level because of work ethics, smarts and passing game. Great shot blocking abilities. Not the fastest but pretty deceptive with his skating stride.

Looking at numbers, he's actually toe to toe with Marchand in his juniors and early professional days. If he can keep the rat attitude and Gallagher act off the table, we have ourself quite the player my friends.
 
i'm seeing some archetypes emerging here in the new crop ...

RHP > new Gallagher?
Harris > new Gorges?
Guhle > new Weber (potential to be better, I wasn't a huge fan of Habs Weber)
Suzuki > new Plekanec (less speed, better shot?)

Dach, Caufield and Xhekaj no real Habs comparables that I can think of in the last 20 years... feel free to add though
 
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Treb said:
No one consistently shoots at 35% (or even 25%).

He would need to shoot a lot more to keep up that goalscoring pace career wise.

Most likely a 10-15 goal guy with a few 20 goals season in his career, which would be an absolute win as a 7th round pick.
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Highest sustained s% of the last 20 years (400+ games) is 18.4% by Alex Tanguay. Ovechkin comes at position 104th with only 13% (he shots a lot that's why he scores a lot). If we want to include the 70ies and 80ies the highest s% recorded over 400+ games is Craig Simpson at 23.7 (he played with Gretzky's Oilers and Lemieux's Pens). RHP curently stands at 24.5 he would literally needs to break a record since 1970 to sustain it.

It's Byron 2.0. Don't waste your time RHP fans will keep thinking a player can sustain this s% over a long period of time no matter what you say. I rememver Byron after his 20 goals season his fans were saying he had a high s% because of high quality shots bla bla bla. As expected he was not able to sustain it more than 2 years.
 
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Highest sustained s% of the last 20 years (400+ games) is 18.4% by Alex Tanguay. Ovechkin comes at position 104th with only 13% (he shots a lot that's why he scores a lot). If we want to include the 70ies and 80ies the highest s% recorded over 400+ games is Craig Simpson at 23.7. RHP curently stands at 24.5 he would literally needs to break a record since 1970 to sustain it.

It's Byron 2.0. Don't waste your time RHP fans will keep thinking a player can sustain this s% over a long period of time no matter what you say. I rememver Byron after his 20 goals season his fans were saying he had a high s% because of high quality shots bla bla bla. As expected he was not able to sustain it more than 2 years.
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To be fair, Byron never played a full season after those.
 
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