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Tuggy said:
Yes, the Pitlick deal is exactly what I would do.

2 years, 1.1M per.

Then you go from there. I think that's pretty fair for both sides to be honest.
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Yeah im not sure why Im seeing people suggest long term deals like 6 years or 5M+ cap hits. Give him a short term deal and let him establish himself. Not saying they are the same players or things will oan out the same but imagine if Hughes bought into Pitlick's play last season and gave him a 4yr 4M deal? If RHP continues to show promise over the next 2 seasons then thats when the long term contract comes into play.
 
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What is Gourde's contract? 6 x 5.17 M$. So again, 5 x 3 M$ for RHP would be a way to have him on a team friendly contract. The only way to get that is to give him financial security before a full breakout season. There is risk with any contract on both sides. Habs take their part of the risk offering 5 years, RHP takes his part by accepting 3 M$ per year long term.

KevSkillz4 said:
Maxim Lapierre just compare him to Yanni Gourde, great comparison!
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jfm133 said:
What is Gourde's contract? 6 x 5.17 M$. So again, 5 x 3 M$ for RHP would be a way to have him on a team friendly contract. The only way to get that is to give him financial security before a full breakout season. There is risk with any contract on both sides. Habs take their part of the risk offering 5 years, RHP takes his part by accepting 3 M$ per year long term.
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No.
 
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donghabs98 said:
Yeah im not sure why Im seeing people suggest long term deals like 6 years or 5M+ cap hits. Give him a short term deal and let him establish himself. Not saying they are the same players or things will oan out the same but imagine if Hughes bought into Pitlick's play last season and gave him a 4yr 4M deal? If RHP continues to show promise over the next 2 seasons then thats when the long term contract comes into play.
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The main reason most people want to give RHP a longer-term deal would be to keep the AAV minimal, so I agree giving RHP a huge cap hit makes zero sense.

I wouldn't have an issue if we gave him a 4 year deal at like $1.25M - $1.5M though. He's 24 and has been making AHL salaries so getting a solid guaranteed salary for a few years would likely be intriguing to him. For the Habs they fill their roster with a cheap contract, plus he has some upside so the deal could end up being very team friendly.

Given RHP looked solid on any line in our lineup, I would feel comfortable giving him some term at a low AAV compared to someone like Pitlick who only produced because he had additional ice time last year.
 
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Leon Lucius Black said:
The main reason most people want to give RHP a longer-term deal would be to keep the AAV minimal, so I agree giving RHP a huge cap hit makes zero sense.

I wouldn't have an issue if we gave him a 4 year deal at like $1.25M - $1.5M though. He's 24 and has been making AHL salaries so getting a solid guaranteed salary for a few years would likely be intriguing to him. For the Habs they fill their roster with a cheap contract, plus he has some upside so the deal could end up being very team friendly.

Given RHP looked solid on any line in our lineup, I would feel comfortable giving him some term at a low AAV compared to someone like Pitlick who only produced because he had additional ice time last year.
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Funny how you mention that and this article says just about the same thing. I'm sure just over a million will work.

lastwordonsports.com

Canadiens find Gem in Harvey-Pinard

Since being called up, Montreal Canadiens, Rafael Harvey-Pinard has shone in his new role in the Habs top-six.
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jfm133 said:
Because if you sign him one year 1.2 M$, it will end up costing you more. Look at Yanni Gourde, Tampa waited for the full breakout season, and they ended up giving him the next year 31 M$ for six years. HuGo need to make an evaluation here, and go with it, like they did with Kirby Dach. If you think RHP is a fluke, OK, don't give him a five year deal. Lowball him on a two years deal, but I think you will have to pay him 5 M$ per year after that for six years.

So, 2 x 1 MS + 6 x 5 MS= 32 M$ for 8 years and he is 32 years old at the end of it and hard to trade if needed in the second contract.

or 5 x 3 M$= 15 M$ for 5 years and he is 29 at the end of it and easy to trade if needed during the whole of his contract.

It's an evaluation HuGo will need to make. Do a Gallagher (6 x 3.75 M$) or a Danault (3 x 3M$) when they were around that age.



Pitlick is not in the same category. RHP has a complete two way game.
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It would be great if RHP scores 25 goals and were worth $5M per year. No problem paying him.

You know what would be even better?

Trading him in his late twenties for two first round picks, or a young sure-fire prospect.

I'd even move him today for a first plus a good prospect to a team that wants energy for a playoff run.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
It would be great if RHP scores 25 goals and were worth $5M per year. No problem paying him.

You know what would be even better?

Trading him in his late twenties for two first round picks, or a young sure-fire prospect.

I'd even move him today for a first plus a good prospect to a team that wants energy for a playoff run.
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We should be contenders by the time he is in his late 20s.
 
Egresch said:
Similar contract as Jordan Harris would make sense for both sides. 2x1,5M one-way contract will basically say: "RHP you made it to NHL. Lets see what you can do here."
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This is bang on..............the kid seems to be a late bloomer...but everyone looks good with Suzuki as their centre, so...........................
 
Egresch said:
Similar contract as Jordan Harris would make sense for both sides. 2x1,5M one-way contract will basically say: "RHP you made it to NHL. Lets see what you can do here."
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Harris has proved more than RHP, and is younger.

I'd offer RHP $1.125M (buriable amount going forward) and he can pick as many years as he wants from one to five.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
Harris has proved more than RHP, and is younger.

I'd offer RHP $1.125M (buriable amount going forward) and he can pick as many years as he wants from one to five.
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Sure, I mean everything between 1-1.8M per year makes kind of sense. Even 2M for RHP would be too much now.
 
This kid is really impressing me. Not sure it's sustainable but I'd put all my chips on him to become an NHL regular. High hockey IQ, solid skill, incredible work ethic and seems to have all the positive leadership and other intangibles you want in spades, eg character, confidence, etc. Love this kid
 
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BaseballCoach said:
If we are contenders, he may be the type of complementary player to keep, but right now, we are in talent-building mode, and if a depth player like him could fetch a first round pick, we'd have to do it.
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Looking at his contribution on ice, and the numbers he's putting up, he's not playing like a ´depth ´ player. Pezzeta is a depth player, Armia, when he plays is a depth player, Pitlick is a depth player, Gallagher is a depth player, Drouin is a depth player. We could go on and on.
RHP has put 75% of our forwards way back in the rear view mirror; even if it's a short sample.
Kid deserves a little more consideration .
 
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rickthegoon said:
Looking at his contribution on ice, and the numbers he's putting up, he's not playing like a ´depth ´ player. Pezzeta is a depth player, Armia, when he plays is a depth player, Pitlick is a depth player, Gallagher is a depth player, Drouin is a depth player. We could go on and on.
RHP has put 75% of our forwards way back in the rear view mirror; even if it's a short sample.
Kid deserves a little more consideration .
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If RHP's shooting percentage were a normal 10% instead of 25%, he would have 4 or 5 goals, not 12.

That's an 11 goal season. Support player.
 
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BaseballCoach said:
If RHP's shooting percentage were a normal 10% instead of 25%, he would have 4 or 5 goals, not 12.

That's an 11 goal season. Support player.
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Exactly.

His shooting percentage was around 35% when he arrived and it got down to 25% and produced a lot less in that stretch while having a 25% shooting percentage. It means that it will drop even more when he’ll get back to normal with less minutes.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
Exactly.

His shooting percentage was around 35% when he arrived and it got down to 25% and produced a lot less in that stretch while having a 25% shooting percentage. It means that it will drop even more when he’ll get back to normal with less minutes.
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On the other hand, he was producing when he first got here and was put on the 4th line. It was that production that lead him to get a look innthe top 9 - similar to Byron and Danault recently when they started playing with the Habs, and even Plekanec when he started.
 
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