News Article: Rachel Doerrie has left the Canucks

[M2Beezy]

Seems like a smart hire. The Toews comment is super intriguing. The choices she had but chose the Canucks is intriguing. The recognizing that Benning was a small child compared to other GMs and saying it publicly is intriguing. The fact JR hired her knowing this is intriguing. The fact she is so young is intriguing. The fact that she has risen in a old white man role and industry is intriguing. The fact that @Red took some heat for saying the truth is unfortunately still expected. I hope Doerrie is a savage beast for us and can find some gems in her role

 

[bandwagonesque]

I see her past comments re Benning are really troubling to some of his most devout. Good hire even if just to watch and laugh.

Could you explain what you mean? As far as I can tell this thread doesn't contain a single post in which anyone complains about these comments.

 

[Ballgarath]

Fox has argued in court that their editorial hosts are entertainment programs and not meant to convey truth or present facts, so I'd say that's that covered

Just a colossally bad faith argument

fun fact, MSNBC has argued in court the very same thing. Rachel Maddow was thrown under the bus with this very argument.

 

[Ballgarath]

26 is very young , man or woman, but like others here i hope she goes beast mode while she is here.

 

[67 others]

fun fact, MSNBC has argued in court the very same thing. Rachel Maddow was thrown under the bus with this very argument.

So has CNN and basically every single media outlet. They are all "entertainment " now instead of news

 

[Diversification]

fun fact, MSNBC has argued in court the very same thing. Rachel Maddow was thrown under the bus with this very argument.

Source? Genuinely curious.

 

[tradervik]

This thread has reached the end of its useful lifespan.

 

[quat]

doh

 

[quat]

Seems like a smart hire. The Toews comment is super intriguing. The choices she had but chose the Canucks is intriguing. The recognizing that Benning was a small child compared to other GMs and saying it publicly is intriguing. The fact JR hired her knowing this is intriguing. The fact she is so young is intriguing. The fact that she has risen in a old white man role and industry is intriguing. The fact that @Red took some heat for saying the truth is unfortunately still expected. I hope Doerrie is a savage beast for us and can find some gems in her role

Is analytics really an old, white, man role? I thought it was borne out of the nerd contingent. Either way, good to have more skilled people who aren't afraid of voicing their opinions join the organization.

 

[Hit the post]

Is analytics really an old, white, man role? I thought it was borne out of the nerd contingent. Either way, good to have more skilled people who aren't afraid of voicing their opinions join the organization.

 

[M2Beezy]

Is analytics really an old, white, man role? I thought it was borne out of the nerd contingent. Either way, good to have more skilled people who aren't afraid of voicing their opinions join the organization.

NHL Coaching, management, scouting, etc.... has been quite exclusive until quite recently....

Picking a part that detail worth the post? Cmon pal....

 

[quat]

It wasn't a criticism, rather just mulling over the idea that the Old White Male issue really hasn't changed in this regard, as the area she's been hired is pretty new and has been mocked by that very contingent.

I'd be curious to see some fresh approaches to coaching, GM, etc.

Edit: rereading your post I can see why you were a bit exasperated. I was trying to be a bit light hearted and didn't pay attention to the more serious aspects of what you'd written.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Only old "white" men? Kinda racist eh pal.

Eh, I'm white. We have privilege.

 

[lawrence]

Seems like a smart hire. The Toews comment is super intriguing. The choices she had but chose the Canucks is intriguing. The recognizing that Benning was a small child compared to other GMs and saying it publicly is intriguing. The fact JR hired her knowing this is intriguing. The fact she is so young is intriguing. The fact that she has risen in a old white man role and industry is intriguing. The fact that @Red took some heat for saying the truth is unfortunately still expected. I hope Doerrie is a savage beast for us and can find some gems in her role

You have a crush on her…..

 

[lawrence]

So has CNN and basically every single media outlet. They are all "entertainment " now instead of news

cnn for me it’s propaganda.

 

[Javaman]

Well "editorial" by definition (or custom) presents an opinion. An editorial isn't meant to convey truth or present facts.

And how is it a bad faith argument? Is Sekeres or Doerrie presenting themselves as journalists when they are on the radio or podcasts? If they are they should be held to a higher ethical standard. Are their shows or appearances meant to convey truth or present facts? I don't think so. H&B frequently say that their job is to entertain. For years they shared the same station as Sekeres. So using your own arguments...

What use is editorial commentary that isn't rooted in truth or fact? Carlson's own lawyers argued that no rational person would believe what Carlson says is reasonable, never mind true.

MS has demonstrated to be a rational poster, so your attempt to link MS to Carlson fails badly.

Only old "white" men? Kinda racist eh pal.

Not sure if you're serious, but no, the comment your referring to is not an example of racism.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I miss your old avatar Wo

BBQ Bruce won me over.

 

[F A N]

MS has demonstrated to be a rational poster, so your attempt to link MS to Carlson fails badly.

No one is linking MS to Carson. What an idiotic take.

 

[Javaman]

(--- says nothing about Tucker Carlson--- )

Every time I expose your poor logic you appeal to Jesus. Appealing to Jesus doesn't help your bizarre faith in reporters/media personalities man. I'm guessing you believe everything that Tucker Carlson says as well? Because making stuff up doesn't happen you said.

Using your arguments, why the f*** would Hughes say he has no idea where that reporting came from and deny that he was given an IV? Everyone around him was talking about how scary Covid was and what they went through. Hughes talked about how his lungs were burning after playing. Why the f*** would Bieksa specifically criticize Sekeres' reporting as a false report? Bieksa is now part of the media and is putting HIS reputation on the line as well. Your constant defense of Sekeres is just laughable. Why don't you tell the truth about your relationship with Sekeres here? You can guarantee what Sekeres did?

It's hilarious that you're now backtracking and claiming that Sekeres may have mixed things up. So what is it? If Sekeres made a mistake, he should own up to it. But he didn't. He is the only person reporting on it when he said that there are reports. Where are the other reports except those who reported on what he said? And it has been disproven unless you're calling Hughes a liar.

The fact that Hughes came back strong AND strongly denied being on IV makes me believe him. Sekeres on the other hand? He made shit up. If he didn't, then he made a mistake that he stubbornly and stupidly refused to retract or correct. Given how open the Canucks players were about their struggles with COVID, I think it takes a very gullible person to defend Sekeres over believing Hughes.

No one is linking MS to Carson. What an idiotic take.

Read the bolded parts You explicitly linked MS to Carlson. In this very thread.

Hell, nobody mentioned TC until you did.

What terribly small audience are you still playing to at this point?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

She comes across as a bit unfiltered in her comments, recklessly so. Male or female, that will increasingly be a liability with more responsibilities - managing teams, interacting with other teams, media, etc. Maybe she is so good at what she does that others will choose to look past it, but that's something different altogether.

Why?

So many men have been exactly that and gone on to have very succesful careers.

 

[Diversification]

Why?

So many men have been exactly that and gone on to have very succesful careers.

There are people who succeed in their field in spite of their abrasive personalities. Few if any do so because of it.

Some of her comments in podcasts are best described as indiscreet. They leveraged her past position in NJD to lend weight to her opinions and speculations on specific named players and management. That's a no-no for 2 reasons: 1) It's your former employer and you're in a very small field. 2) Some of the things she disclosed may have been related to her in confidence and you risk it coming back to the source because, again, it's a small field.

@MarkMM mentioned Burke and Tortorella as two examples of men who present a brash persona. But neither of them do what Rachel Doerrie did in her podcast interviews, because they know there's a line.

She's young, but she's smart and I think she'll learn. But the notion that this is a 'women should know their place' take is just out to lunch on your part.

 

[Ballgarath]

Source? Genuinely curious.

Source? Genuinely curious.

she was sued for defamation and won , a quick google search will reveal what im saying. the judge ruled in her favour saying " no reasonable viewer could conclude that Maddow implied an assertion of objective fact". this ruling came after MSNBC told the court she is opinion based only.

 

[Diversification]

she was sued for defamation and won , a quick google search will reveal what im saying. the judge ruled in her favour saying " no reasonable viewer could conclude that Maddow implied an assertion of objective fact". this ruling came after MSNBC told the court she is opinion based only.

Oh, right. I remember now. She paraphrased a piece in the Daily Beast that someone who worked for Sputnik was also a reporter for OANN (which is true). Then she conflated the reporter's pro-Russia stance with the network as a whole, hence the defamation suit.

I think that's a bit different from Tucker Carlson's defamation suit where the same exculpatory argument was posed. There, he made up out of whole cloth, a story that Karen McDougal was shaking down Trump for money when in fact she was trying to release herself from an NDA, which constituted a campaign finance violation that took down Michael Cohen.

Regardless, this is about Rachel Doerrie who isn't a reporter. Whether her comments re: EP or Luke Hughes are defamatory would be up to the injured parties to file suit and a court of law to decide.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

mentioned Burke and Tortorella as two examples of men who present a brash persona. But neither of them do what Rachel Doerrie did in her podcast interviews, because they know there's a line.

Judd Brackett pretty much threw his former employers under the bus as he left for Minny.

Bobby Clarke just, for no apparent reason, ripped Hextal for his draft shortcomings.

These kind of things happen all the time in pro sports.

 

[Raistlin]

read the last 3 pages.... so... are people mad that posters are addressing that this hiring of a women is significant? .....because we shouldnt mention about her gender at all? Can we celebrate Willie O'Ree's legacy or are we racists because him being a black man playing hockey in the 60s is significant in itself? him being a competent enough hockey player despite overcoming his environment to play in the big leagues to be EQUALLY significant? One does not take away from the other.

Doerrie being hired is significant and should be celebrated. Lets talk about women in hockey and how far we came from mocking the Sedins as sisters publicly. ...but to call it a diversity hire is negating her credentials and taking away from her achievement. Thats not fair. Thats not true at all if you look into this hire.

Im excited that we are hiring back some of the good people we lost due to Benning's reign. from all accounts this young woman can be a bit unfiltered and brash, thats why there is corporate media training courses out there.