News Article: Rachel Doerrie has left the Canucks

[Red]

"Rachel Doerrie is a human person of the homo sapiens species and this homo sapiens individual was an excellent, competent hire by the team taking all persons of the species into consideration."

 

[Johnny Canucker]

He specifically qualified it by pointing out that most front office people in hockey grew up playing hockey, and wanted people from different backgrounds. It doesn't mean it has to be a woman because women grow up playing hockey too. He could mean that he wanted someone with a background in analytics from a different sport. Diversity doesn't always mean not white and male, lol.

Look man, you’re looking for a reason to be triggered. Jim never said any of your assumptions. Take your sensativity elsewhere. /s

I only read the first and last line of your babble here but you seem to be upset.

 

[m9]

You seem oddly upset about the fact that I simply pointed out that there are actually people in this thread in the 21st century saying she's a "diversity hire" without backing it up with anything. The thread has been more positive than negative because there's more good posters and good people than bad ones and that's great, not because this kind of mindset isn't something that is sadly still too present in society still, as evidenced by certain comments in this thread. Even one is too many. The fact me and people who think this way are the actual "problem in society" (lmao) according to you says EVERYTHING about you and none of it is good.

You're literally spilling tea allll over yourself and the fact you might be someone who is aligned with their misogyny by being upset over something this benign. Stay triggered as the world changes for the better around you.

You are seeking out things to be mad about and then when you don't find them you just make things up. I'm sure you consider yourself a progressive hero, but just know that you are part of the problem.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

That might be the route Doerrie seeks to emulate. If so, she will need to learn how to be more political and discreet as she rises in the ranks. Time will tell...

Like so many hockey men before her who really walked on eggshells and never ruffled any feathers........

 

[PuckMunchkin]

At the same time, it strikes me as a bit hypocritical when some people say "She wouldn't be getting all this negative attention if she was a man" and then they're also the first to celebrate "I'm so happy we finally hired a woman". Which is it? Either you don't think her gender should matter or you think it does, but there's something off with attacking people if they question her gender in a negative way (which I think is wrong) but then celebrate with virtue signalling by pointing out her gender as a positive.

The fact that hockey is moving forward in its archaic thinking can be celebrated without celebrating the tokenism aspect of simply hiring a woman.

Think of it this way:

A talented woman got hired when before she would have been passed just for the sake of being a woman.

 

[F A N]

Fox has argued in court that their editorial hosts are entertainment programs and not meant to convey truth or present facts, so I'd say that's that covered

Just a colossally bad faith argument

Well "editorial" by definition (or custom) presents an opinion. An editorial isn't meant to convey truth or present facts.

And how is it a bad faith argument? Is Sekeres or Doerrie presenting themselves as journalists when they are on the radio or podcasts? If they are they should be held to a higher ethical standard. Are their shows or appearances meant to convey truth or present facts? I don't think so. H&B frequently say that their job is to entertain. For years they shared the same station as Sekeres. So using your own arguments...

 

[Intangibos]

Well... If it was another pair of balls added to the analytics department, it likely would get a reaction like: "Oh cool. We need more people there."

I mean, that seems to be the general consensus for this hire as well? I actually don't recall anyone here saying she was hired because she's a woman. Is there even one post in this thread by a non-troll poster who said this woman got the job because she's a woman and isn't qualified? I didn't see it, maybe I'm blind and skipped right over it, admittedly I mostly only skim threads now that Benning and Aquilini destroyed my love of this team and hockey in general. I only saw the other end of that with people creating that fictional narrative in their mind. "lol men are so mad it's a WOMAN being hired!".

Now that is a woman, we really need to make sure she isn't there just for diversity!

Yeah, it's a valid question. That doesn't mean she is a diversity hire, and she seems to plenty qualified for the job. Do you really think this ownership group is above hiring someone who is unqualified just to score popularity points? I don't. It seems very clear that that's not the case in this instance, but lets not pretend like Frankie wouldn't do such a thing to make himself look good.

I would like to make sure everyone the Canucks hire are qualified for the job, regardless of their genitals or skin colour or whatever. We had a lot of questions about Benning's son being hired, I can't shake the feeling that if it were Benning's daughter the people who defended that shitty management group would have immediately pulled the sexism card as well.

This cancer of applying politics to literally everything is divisive as hell and it really needs to stop.

 

[Red]

You are seeking out things to be mad about and then when you don't find them you just make things up. I'm sure you consider yourself a progressive hero, but just know that you are part of the problem.

And what exactly are you doing except looking for innocuous things like equality to get upset about and throw a complete fit over? Hmm.

What did I make up? It's a simple fact that there are people in this thread calling it a diversity hire. Don't accuse me of making things up when you're clearly lying about it just so it fits some twisted agenda that you seem to have.

I'm sure you consider yourself a regressive hero. Thankfully the world will leave you behind while the rest of us fix the problems you perpetuated.

 

[BrentSopelsHair]

Well "editorial" by definition (or custom) presents an opinion. An editorial isn't meant to convey truth or present facts.

And how is it a bad faith argument? Is Sekeres or Doerrie presenting themselves as journalists when they are on the radio or podcasts? If they are they should be held to a higher ethical standard. Are their shows or appearances meant to convey truth or present facts? I don't think so. H&B frequently say that their job is to entertain. For years they shared the same station as Sekeres. So using your own arguments...

It’s bad faith because you know equating those two things is absurd. Tucker Carlson hosts a show for which the main purpose is to scare geriatric people about the possibility that a non-white person might move in next to them and force their grandkids to dabble in socialism.

Sekeres might exaggerate and play a character at times, but they are not out there actively misinforming people on purpose

 

[Diversification]

Like so many hockey men before her who really walked on eggshells and never ruffled any feathers........

She comes across as a bit unfiltered in her comments, recklessly so. Male or female, that will increasingly be a liability with more responsibilities - managing teams, interacting with other teams, media, etc. Maybe she is so good at what she does that others will choose to look past it, but that's something different altogether.

 

[MarkMM]

She comes across as a bit unfiltered in her comments, recklessly so. Male or female, that will increasingly be a liability with more responsibilities - managing teams, interacting with other teams, media, etc. Maybe she is so good at what she does that others will choose to look past it, but that's something different altogether.

I wonder if a part of the debate is whether her style is a feature or a bug. Although I haven't had a problem with what she says, that might be more of a personal preference and it's more than fair when people say she's reckless, and yeah, I think the debate would be the same if it were a guy.

There are shock jocks who build a brand around saying things others wouldn't say or shouldn't say, some like it, some don't, and I think the debate around Doerrie is a mild version of that. Maybe it was her natural style, maybe it was a strategy to build a brand, but I'm curious whether she will continue that in her new position.

On one hand as she gets elevated into executive positions she might tone down, on the other she might continue on and be like a Brian Burke or John Tortorella styled executive who is defined for being brash.

 

[MarkMM]

The fact that hockey is moving forward in its archaic thinking can be celebrated without celebrating the tokenism aspect of simply hiring a woman.

Think of it this way:

A talented woman got hired when before she would have been passed just for the sake of being a woman.

100% that's fair.

I think more what bothered me was some people accusing others of sexism when questions about Doerrie's decisions come up, as in, "You wouldn't be asking these questions if this were a man".

Well, we wouldn't be talking about her hiring if she were a man, but yes, it's awesome to see her get the job and totally understandable that it got noticed that she broke new ground, and people will immediately look her up to learn more about her, and in doing so they'll notice things they're not wild about and comment on that, and that's not suddenly a sign that they're sexist.

I kind of like her brash style, others here don't, and that's a good debate but not a sign that they're picking on her because she's a woman.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Old white men are upset at the order of things not being as they've known it to be their entire lives.

More at 11.

 

[mriswith]

I looked back at the start of this thread and the conversation switched from her being a young, bright analyst to her being a woman when a couple people decided that any criticism of her was misogyny despite the criticism being gender neutral. Maybe there were some deleted comments but if not, that's not progressive, that's just annoying.

I keep checking the thread to see if someone has found anything else interesting from her previous podcasts or articles but we're still in the resulting train wreck now... probably a sign we've run out of actual things to talk about on the hire.

 

[rypper]

Found this on twitter, it's a breakdown of every teams analytics department.

(credit to https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/)

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I see her past comments re Benning are really troubling to some of his most devout. Good hire even if just to watch and laugh.

 

[Red]

I looked back at the start of this thread and the conversation occasionally switched from her being a young, bright analyst to her being a "tokenism" and "diversity" hire. This was simply pointed out when a couple of people flipped their lid and decided to start being immensely triggered about the criticism of these "diversity" and "tokenism" statements being accurately described as misogynistic and gendered. That's annoying, regressive, and archaic.

Looking forward to the team filling out the rest of the positions with other good, quality hires.

 

[Melvin]

I looked back at the start of this thread and the conversation switched from her being a young, bright analyst to her being a woman when a couple people decided that any criticism of her was misogyny despite the criticism being gender neutral. Maybe there were some deleted comments but if not, that's not progressive, that's just annoying.

I keep checking the thread to see if someone has found anything else interesting from her previous podcasts or articles but we're still in the resulting train wreck now... probably a sign we've run out of actual things to talk about on the hire.

Calling someone a "diversity hire" is not "gender neutral criticism."

And half the thread was some weird argument about Matt Sekeres and IV bags, so.

 

[pitseleh]

Found this on twitter, it's a breakdown of every teams analytics department.

(credit to https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/)

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Thanks for sharing. It was I nteresting to see Lee Stempniak’s name on there, as that’s not really a role you’d expect to see former players in. Turns out he’s got an Econ degree from Dartmouth so it makes some sense. That’s got to be an interesting profile for teams.

I also missed that Florida brought Sunny Mehta into the fold. He’s a smart guy. Curious how much of a role he’s played in their success.

 

[mriswith]

Found this on twitter, it's a breakdown of every teams analytics department.

(credit to https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/)

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Thanks for posting, I did not realize that LA had the largest analytics department in the league.

Calling someone a "diversity hire" is not "gender neutral criticism."

And half the thread was some weird argument about Matt Sekeres and IV bags, so.

I only read through the first few pages to see when it started to get derailed, that wasn't how it started. But I'm sure it got messier after it got started. I stopped reading around when the Sekeres IV bags and Hilary dodging sniper fire in Bosnia came up.

 

[Melvin]

Thanks for posting, I did not realize that LA had the largest analytics department in the league.


I only read through the first few pages to see when it started to get derailed, that wasn't how it started. But I'm sure it got messier after it got started. I stopped reading around when the Sekeres IV bags and Hilary dodging sniper fire in Bosnia came up.

Fair enough.

Toronto and Seattle are mostly cited as having the largest, but LA's is larger than I knew, agreed.

 

[platotld]

Sekeres might exaggerate and play a character at times, but they are not out there actively misinforming people on purpose

Ummm maybe rabbit maybe

 

[platotld]

Old white men are upset at the order of things not being as they've known it to be their entire lives.

Only old "white" men? Kinda racist eh pal.

 

[M2Beezy]

ability to multitask

even just asking her to teach that ability to others in the org might have come in handy 2014-2020

ok jim, so this teenage girl is here to tell you you can chew gum while you walk, you don’t have to stop every time you want to chew

Love you Vadim...

 

[M2Beezy]

I see her past comments re Benning are really troubling to some of his most devout. Good hire even if just to watch and laugh.

I miss your old avatar Wo