Speculation: Quinn Hughes wants to contend

[ginner classic]

I wouldn't blame him. If Miller gets traded and EP is kept, that's a giant f*** you to the team. Trading the underpaid guy who works his ass off, to keep the overpaid piss baby that only plays when he feels like it.

Miller gets traded, Boeser walks or traded at the deadline, Demko in the offseason.. yea I wouldn't be at all surprised if Hughes is next

Miller oscilates between working his ass off and petulant lazy play that his coach finds infuriating.

 

[njdevil26]

So the easy answer here is NJ.

Also worth wondering if other teams are hesitant to offer some crazy trade package thinking he finishes his contract and comes to NJ anyway.

So if the Canucks are dealing with the Devils, the foundation of this package would have to be:

1st rounder (duh)
One of Seamus Casey or Simon Nemec
Jonas Siegenthaler (Quinn replacing him on the left side along with Luke and Dillon who just signed here) and Siegs is no slouch. One of the better defensive d-men in the league on a good contract.

I'm not sure where to go from here. The Devils have one of the best D groups in the league with two stud prospects and possibly a third (Casey, Nemec, and Silayev) coming soon. Quinn would be a luxury. Because of that, the Devils won't and shouldn't trade Jesper Bratt or any other top forward. Dawson Mercer is available.

SO... if the package is Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils.

I know Canucks fans will pounce and say this isn't enough AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE but this is just something that would make sense for the Devils. Anything more than this honestly doesn't make sense.



I think the Canucks should offload Miller any way they can and try to fix that locker room. That ensures you keep Quinn and keeps EP40 happy.

 

[Takumi3000]

I thought it was the owners who constantly meddle.

That’s my thought as well. No way a dumbass like Benning could be employed that long if he weren’t a puppet for the owner.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

If Quinn is leaving Van (being traded) it would be a massive package.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

Pure hypothetical.
Would jersey have a package for him?

Mercer. Nemec. 1st?

How much would you give up for Makar? Because Quinn is right there as far as value. I think if he comes to Jersey it starts at Bratt/Nico, Nemac, Picks.

 

[majormajor]

SO... if the package is Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils.

I know Canucks fans will pounce and say this isn't enough AND I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE but this is just something that would make sense for the Devils. Anything more than this honestly doesn't make sense.

If the Canucks are trading Quinn Hughes it will be because he demands a trade, and then they are effectively doing a full rebuild.

So not Siegenthaler. I think 2 of (Nemec, Casey, Silayev) + Mercer + 1st.

I don't think they'd get more than the sort of offer you're suggesting, teams will know that he has a strong preference to go to the Devils long term and it's a very good offer anyways.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Have you watched Quinn Hughes at all over the last 3-4 seasons?

Silayev
Nemec
Casey
Mercer
1st

One all-world Dman for a brand new D-corps. That might get it done. Maybe...

I don’t know where, or even if, Quinn goes, but I’m almost positive Canucks fans are going to be disappointed in the return gauging by this thread.

 

[SuperScript29]

Even if he wants out, it would take a whole lot to get Hughes out of Vancouver. So unless NJ is willing to give a super overpayment, they're better off just waiting when he goes to free agency. When that happens, I like their chances a lot in signing him if they play their cards right and put themselves in the right position financially.

 

[njdevil26]

Even if he wants out, it would take a whole lot to get Hughes out of Vancouver. So unless NJ is willing to give a super overpayment, they're better off just waiting when he goes to free agency. When that happens, I like their chances a lot in signing him if they play their cards right and put themselves in the right position financially.

By then with however much the cap is going up plus Hamilton on the last year of his 9 mil it should take care of itself.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Can see Jack and Luke coming to Van.

Vancouver and New Jersey about to engage in a fight for the right to weild The Hughes Gauntlet.

 

[nergish]

I don’t know where, or even if, Quinn goes, but I’m almost positive Canucks fans are going to be disappointed in the return gauging by this thread.

It’s a bullshit thread and you took the bait

 

[njdevil26]

How much would you give up for Makar? Because Quinn is right there as far as value. I think if he comes to Jersey it starts at Bratt/Nico, Nemac, Picks.

You're out of your mind.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

It’s a bullshit thread and you took the bait

Oh you were trolling, got it.

The genesis seems like Rutherford’s own comments, so there’s more than a kernel of truth there.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

You're out of your mind.

From your post:
SO... if the package is Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils.

That is a 3C (Mercer), an asset who wants to move (Nemec), Siegs (middle pair D) and a late first?
You're out of your mind if you think that Hughes only that. Quantity ain't always quality. He's the 2nd best dman in the league. Take your devil glasses off.

 

[njdevil26]

From your post:
SO... if the package is Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils.

That is a 3C (Mercer), an asset who wants to move (Nemec), Siegs (middle pair D) and a late first?
You're out of your mind if you think that Hughes only that. Quantity ain't always quality. He's the 2nd best dman in the league. Take your devil glasses off.

How about some reading comprehension?

I said my package will probably have Canucks fans saying it's not enough... but it's the most the Devils can do while being reasonable. Anything else for the Devils is too much and a bad idea.

 

[TheBigLetowski]

How about some reading comprehension?

I said my package will probably have Canucks fans saying it's not enough... but it's the most the Devils can do while being reasonable. Anything else for the Devils is too much and a bad idea.

My point was that overall the package was bad. Not that it was a bad idea for the Devils. How's that for reading comprehension? Hughes will likely go to NJD in free agency anyways.

 

[Voight]

Going to be hard to a big haul for Quinn because he's FA in 2 years and if he's not going to sign then (assuming he wants to play with his bros)...why would the receiving team give something insane for him?

Best case from the Devils - offseason probably - is Van takes back Hamilton and gets a Seamus Casey or Simon Nemec and calls it a day

Because you get a top 2 defenseman for two playoff runs.

Oilers had Pronger for a single year and made the finals. Don't underestimate the impact a top defensemen can have on a team. Even a mediocre one.

Who knows if he really cares to play with is brothers. I'm sure it'd be fun for him, but he may have other priorities.

 

[Ita]

From your post:
SO... if the package is Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils.

That is a 3C (Mercer), an asset who wants to move (Nemec), Siegs (middle pair D) and a late first?
You're out of your mind if you think that Hughes only that. Quantity ain't always quality. He's the 2nd best dman in the league. Take your devil glasses off.

He's the best dman in the league right now. I don't know how you can argue it's Makar.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

I just can't understand why they haven't platooned Miller at this point, to get that issue out of the locker room. The team is losing, and it isn't because they have a bad roster. They're good enough to be a playoff team even if they get a downgrade on Miller in a trade. Bite the bullet, sometimes getting rid of a malcontent is more important than "winning" a trade.

The team has won two in a row and is one point out of a wild card spot, with Miller putting up points and contributing. Clearly there are internal issues, but the amount of hyperbolic reporting around every player on the Canucks roster smacks of media hype more than anything else. Watch so much of this die down if the Canucks get a couple more wins under their belt in the near-term. After the maddening way this team has been under a microscope this year, I have a newfound sympathy for Leafs fans, where media drags their guys into everything.

If I had to guess, management has told the team that they will 100% address this in the off-season but cannot do it now. Miller will be the guy to go. It gives the players clarity and a light at the end of the tunnel. Everything else is noise.

 

[Barsky]

I assume a deal for Hughes would have salary coming back to the Canucks to make it work, so speaking specifically of his next contract in three years, I think there are a ton of teams that could make it work with this foresight.
- Florida has Ekblad's contract ending this year and they don't have a very large expenditure at defense, relatively speaking (they're actually getting Yandle's buyout off the books this year too).
- Toronto would kill for someone like Hughes on their blueline, and they have Tavares' contract ending this year; they could plan ahead.
- Dallas has a lot of their defense salary coming off the books before Hughes is due, and Heiskanen is signed a few years beyond.
- Vegas would be able to replace Pietrangelo's salary when Hughes' contract is due.
- LA has Doughty coming off the books the same year that Hughes is due his contract increase.
I really don't think Hughes' next contract value would be the biggest consideration - moreso whether he chooses to re-sign with the team that trades for him, and I think that chance is highest when they get him as early as possible so he has time to acclimate. That said, Hughes has no NTC, so if the Canucks knew they weren't re-signing him, he'd be the ultimate rental player that year, and they'd likely recoup huge value at that year's TDL.

In addendum, I think it is funny that Makar and Hughes' contracts are both up in the same season. If Sakic signs Makar early, expect Hughes to ask for slightly more (since Makar has spent his whole career with Colorado, I expect the "hometown discount" to be larger for Makar, and that will factor into negotiatons).

Well the issue is almost everyone will have lots of space, especially in 2 off seasons, so we'll see, but regardless, I think Quinn & Cale will be the league's 2 highest paid players

 

[nergish]

Oh you were trolling, got it.

The genesis seems like Rutherford’s own comments, so there’s more than a kernel of truth there.

JR effectively said "If I blow this team up, Quinn Hughes isn't going to want to stick around for that" and followed it up with "We want him here forever".

It's a bullshit thread.

My offer wasn't really a troll though - you're not getting a Hart candidate and perennial Norris-level Dman for any of the offers listed here. But ultimately he's not for sale.

 

[wetcoast]

If the Canucks are trading Quinn Hughes it will be because he demands a trade, and then they are effectively doing a full rebuild.

So not Siegenthaler. I think 2 of (Nemec, Casey, Silayev) + Mercer + 1st.

I don't think they'd get more than the sort of offer you're suggesting, teams will know that he has a strong preference to go to the Devils long term and it's a very good offer anyways.

While I don't think that the Canucks will be trading Hughes any time soon the orginal offer of

Mercer, Nemec, Siegenthaler, and a 1st it would make sense for the Devils is actually pretty decent valuewise and not sure about adding a small guy like caesy over Siegenthaler is as good as some people might think.

 

[Quinning]

One of the only teams I'd trade him to would be Columbus. They have an embarrassment of riches.

 

[TBF1972]

The hockey sense of Myers, the compete level of 60 year old retired Jykri Lumme, combined with the stature of Garland.

You may laugh. Before you realize this Frankenstein defender would actually be a better choice for the blue line than Desharnais. Then you will cry.

wrong. i am a devils fan. i would laugh.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

JR effectively said "If I blow this team up, Quinn Hughes isn't going to want to stick around for that" and followed it up with "We want him here forever".

It's a bullshit thread.

My offer wasn't really a troll though - you're not getting a Hart candidate and perennial Norris-level Dman for any of the offers listed here. But ultimately he's not for sale.

Then who's getting "baited" again?

*If* Quinn does end up getting dealt, I think you're going to be disappointed if that's your baseline. Just my prediction.