The Crypto Guy
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Speculation: Quinn Hughes wants to contend
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god forbid we talk about hockey on a hockey boardDo we really need a thread when he still has two years leftLots can change (good or bad)
I assume a deal for Hughes would have salary coming back to the Canucks to make it work, so speaking specifically of his next contract in three years, I think there are a ton of teams that could make it work with this foresight.
- Florida has Ekblad's contract ending this year and they don't have a very large expenditure at defense, relatively speaking (they're actually getting Yandle's buyout off the books this year too).
- Toronto would kill for someone like Hughes on their blueline, and they have Tavares' contract ending this year; they could plan ahead.
- Dallas has a lot of their defense salary coming off the books before Hughes is due, and Heiskanen is signed a few years beyond.
- Vegas would be able to replace Pietrangelo's salary when Hughes' contract is due.
- LA has Doughty coming off the books the same year that Hughes is due his contract increase.
I really don't think Hughes' next contract value would be the biggest consideration - moreso whether he chooses to re-sign with the team that trades for him, and I think that chance is highest when they get him as early as possible so he has time to acclimate. That said, Hughes has no NTC, so if the Canucks knew they weren't re-signing him, he'd be the ultimate rental player that year, and they'd likely recoup huge value at that year's TDL.
In addendum, I think it is funny that Makar and Hughes' contracts are both up in the same season. If Sakic signs Makar early, expect Hughes to ask for slightly more (since Makar has spent his whole career with Colorado, I expect the "hometown discount" to be larger for Makar, and that will factor into negotiatons).
RedHawkDown
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I updated my post, but I'll give it a shot with a 97M cap in 3 years. I also don't think Edvinsson gets 8.5 given that he isn't trending close to Seider's numbers, and Seider also won the Calder.
Ehlers (8M) - Larkin (8.7) - Raymond (8)
DeBrincat (7.9) - Kasper (4M bridge) - Buchelnikov (1 or 2-year ELC)
Plante (800K ELC) - Veleno (2.5M) - Rasmussen (3M)
Soderblom (2M) - UFA 4C (1.5M) - Mazur (1.5M)
UFA depth (1M)
Hughes (12M) - Seider (8.5M)
Edvinsson (8.1M) - ASP (5M bridge)
Buium (1M) - UFA depth (1.5M)
UFA (1M)
Cossa (3.5M bridge)
UFA backup (2.5M)
This roster is 4M below a 97M cap. I would not re-sign DBC when his contract is up, and that gives you space for Buch's bonus and ASP's next contract, etc. It's a lot more doable than you think. You have to remmeber that. team like this runs through their D, and this would be the best D any team has had in decades.
Wow, two old broken down players on bad contracts - how can Vancouver resist?
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Two amazing players soon to be heading to the big 4 country tournament thing!
Edvinsson is actually about in line with Seider's D+4 offensively when you consider Edvinsson is producing nearly the same with next to no PP time. Edvinsson is pacing 34 points. Seider had 42, but 15 came on the PP.
Edvinsson's defensive numbers are way better than Seider's D+4 but in Seider's defense, Edvinsson has either played secondary assignments or had Seider as a partner. Seider didn't have either of those luxuries.
He'll probably get $8M - $8.5M on a long term deal.
Nevermind that you're banking on ASP/Kasper/Cossa all bridging, letting Debrincat go (So what's the point in Ehlers?) and willing to sign a $5 bargain bin UFA as your 6D. And you have no 2026 or 2027 first rounder coming up on an ELC to replace guys when they leave due to us having zero cap.
Finally, circling back to my initial response.
This is kinda my point...
A third line of Plante - Veleno - Rasmussen is rancid.
RedHawkDown
still trying to trust the yzerplan
I get what you are saying. My point is that a good third line is not necessary when you have the best defensive core of any team in decades. Hughes - Seider would play 25 minutes and Edvinsson-ASP the other 25. This team would have all its offense originate from the back end. All the 3rd and 4th lines have to do is not get completely caved in, which they can do with those defensemen.
ManofSteel55
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I just can't understand why they haven't platooned Miller at this point, to get that issue out of the locker room. The team is losing, and it isn't because they have a bad roster. They're good enough to be a playoff team even if they get a downgrade on Miller in a trade. Bite the bullet, sometimes getting rid of a malcontent is more important than "winning" a trade.
The hockey sense of Myers, the compete level of 60 year old retired Jykri Lumme, combined with the stature of Garland.
You may laugh. Before you realize this Frankenstein defender would actually be a better choice for the blue line than Desharnais. Then you will cry.
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Spin it anyway you want
3 seperate seasons with time spent in the AHL
But yeah his value hasn’t dropped
3 seperate seasons with time spent in the AHL
But yeah his value hasn’t dropped
nucks88
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Good third lines are absolutely necessary lol. Shit depth is the reason Toronto takes an early exit every Spring. If you can throw everything against their top players and shut them down, they don't have shit for the rest of the game.
Realistically, if you were going to put together a package for Hughes, it makes more sense to throw in ASP than Danielson or MBN. Yes ASP holds more trade value (Which is why you reduce elsewhere) but adding Hughes greatly reduces ASP's impact as a future PPQB.
Might as well subtract where you're already adding rather than cripple your forward depth by making your rich area even richer.
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This thread is an indicator that dark times could be ahead for long suffering Canucks fans. We finally have our best Dmen in franchise history and there’s a logical possibility he leaves?
This starts with that stupid Bennning guy signing him for 6 years instead of 8 because the money was already spent of Ericsson, Beagel, and Roussel.
Canucks are a legit lottery team without Hughes. Their play on the ice clearly shows this. If they can’t get their act together, it’s easily going to be another decade of mediocrity. There’s no package coming back that can offset losing Quinn Hughes. Management has got their work cut out for them.
This starts with that stupid Bennning guy signing him for 6 years instead of 8 because the money was already spent of Ericsson, Beagel, and Roussel.
Canucks are a legit lottery team without Hughes. Their play on the ice clearly shows this. If they can’t get their act together, it’s easily going to be another decade of mediocrity. There’s no package coming back that can offset losing Quinn Hughes. Management has got their work cut out for them.
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I can see the Nucks moving E.P, Miller, Boeser and Hughes in hockey style deals then using the cast off and misfits approach to build chemistry, it works, remember team Europe, or Vegas?
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he spent the money on Tanner Pearson, and trading for OEL and the new garland contract
Bratt has a NMC - can't see him waiving to go from a contender to a possible rebuild...or NJ even approaching him to waive it, especially since he's already been outperforming his contract.
Takumi3000
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Sure. Thank you for clarifying. It’s still the same thing. What an amazing GM we had there. Lost 2 years of Hughes and Dylan Guenther to obtain the largest buyout in NHL history. Amazing management that Jim Benning guy!
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Dammit Jim!
Miller oscilates between working his ass off and petulant lazy play that his coach finds infuriating.
