Speculation: Quinn Hughes wants to contend

[Superlative Soup]

Not an awful time to bottom out if they have to blow it up and trade Miller, Pettersson, Boeser, and Hughes.

McKenna and Dupont look like they could be franchise guys, rather than getting stuck with guys like Power or Slaf as the 1oa.

If you think the Canucks would ever win the lottery you haven't been paying attention.

 

[Breakers]

Reading the embarrassing logic in this thread

Nemec’s value is still high despite (checks notes) being in the AHL for 3 years

While the reigning Norris winner at 25 years of age, and Vancouver has to accept anything

 

[HBK27]

Reading the embarrassing logic in this thread

Nemec’s value is still high despite (checks notes) being in the AHL for 3 years

While the reigning Norris winner at 25 years of age, and Vancouver has to accept anything

I think your interpretation is quite embarrassing.

Literally nobody is saying that Vancouver has to accept anything.

And yes, Nemec's value is still quite high. He hasn't been in the AHL for 3 years, as he's split time the past two seasons - including playing 60 NHL games last year and doing quite well.

Nemec had an injury just prior to this season that impacted his play early on. Between Kovacevic's emergence (him and Siegenthaler have been the best shut down pair this season) and the healthy of NJ's defense overall (same 6 guys have played in the past 43 games) it's a numbers game for Nemec, so it's better off for the 20-year old to continue to develop in the AHL at this moment.

But carry on with your simplistic interpretation of the situation.

 

[Legion34]

If Quinn Hughes wants to contend, it’s clear he will be taking his talents to Lake Ontario, where he will see many rd 1 game 7 heart breaks, Toronto!

The Hughes bros have considered Toronto home. They lived in the GTA for hockey here

 

[Siludin]

The Hughes bros have considered Toronto home. They lived in the GTA for hockey here

Mmm yes imagine someone living in Toronto and then Vancouver and then thinking, "I should go back to Toronto"

 

[RedHawkDown]

That would give Detroit the best Top 4 in the league going forward and absolutely cripple them with a non-playoff caliber forward group.

No thanks.

I don't think so. We still have Kasper, Raymond, Larkin, DBC, and can sign guys in FA like Ehlers. Hughes-Seider-Edvinsson-ASP would be absolutely unstoppable.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

With soo many issues in Vancouver one can only wonder if there are leadership issues there... Who is their captain?

Pretty sure the chatter about Pettersson and Miller not getting along pre-dates Quinn's captaincy.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Have you watched Quinn Hughes at all over the last 3-4 seasons?

Silayev
Nemec
Casey
Mercer
1st

One all-world Dman for a brand new D-corps. That might get it done. Maybe...

He's not getting a return like that

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I don't think so. We still have Kasper, Raymond, Larkin, DBC, and can sign guys in FA like Ehlers. Hughes-Seider-Edvinsson-ASP would be absolutely unstoppable.

What cap space are we signing a guy like Ehlers with while we have Raymond, ($8M) Larkin, ($8.7M) Debrincat, ($7.9M) Seider, ($8.5M) Edvinsson (~$8.5M) and Hughes ($7.8M) under contract?

... That's $50M tied up in 6 players. And doesn't factor in Hughes probably asking for $12M+ in 2027, or guys like Kasper, ASP, and Cossa needing secondary contracts.

 

[sensfan4lifee]

He's not getting a return like that

I mean you can put a laughing emoji all you want but I can't name a player ever that has gotten what fans actually think there player is worth.

 

[Barsky]

Quinn Hughes "wanting to contend" is about as shocking as a bear wanting to shit in the woods

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I mean you can put a laughing emoji all you want but I can't name a player ever that has gotten what fans actually think there player is worth.

I agree that that proposal is a little much, but this happens all the time.

 

[dgibb10]

I missed the second 1st. "Hamilton proceeds" is too nebulous to discuss meaningfully but he should get a good price. I mean, one question: why isn't Hamilton just going to Vancouver directly?


Ha, I missed the other poster suggested Casey + 1st instead of Nemec
I added a 2nd one way and a 3rd going the other. I mean at this point, it'd be a deal massaging conversation. No forum deal can appease everyone. I'm happy to just land in the right ballpark. Thanks for reading.

He 100% could if Van wanted him (and he was willing to waive/doesn't have them on his NTC) but I assumed if Quinn Hughes is going (after Miller and/or Pettersson go) Van is going into a full blown rebuild, and so would prefer futures rather than an older replacement dman.

 

[HellOnIce]

I think multiple other teams would pay more for him and roll the dice they could entice him to stay. Throw him in a winning environment and he might re-up, there's only speculation his desire to play with his brothers outweighs contending. The Staals never forced themselves together, clubs did it more than anything else.

The Devils are already contending - window just opened.

He 100% could if Van wanted him (and he was willing to waive/doesn't have them on his NTC) but I assumed if Quinn Hughes is going (after Miller and/or Pettersson go) Van is going into a full blown rebuild, and so would prefer futures rather than an older replacement dman.

Still need to field a team, and you can use a Dougie for a couple years. STill a very good D. Great in the room. He's been everything NJ has asked for pretty much. What a great guy.

 

[dgibb10]

The Devils are already contending - window just opened.


Still need to field a team, and you can use a Dougie for a couple years. STill a very good D. Great in the room. He's been everything NJ has asked for pretty much. What a great guy.

Then I'd be happy to ship dougie to Van in the deal

Dougie (3 mill retained)
Casey
Mercer
1st
1st

is a doors blown off package imo

 

[Barsky]

Ottawa traded a pending UFA Karlsson at full value.
Idk, Hughes with 2 years left? They can wait for a serious offer.

Because he had agreed to sign long term b4 hand and the Sharks got to negotiate a contract they were happy with (at the time) Details matter

 

[Smitty426]

Reading the embarrassing logic in this thread

Nemec’s value is still high despite (checks notes) being in the AHL for 3 years

While the reigning Norris winner at 25 years of age, and Vancouver has to accept anything

Nemec played 60 games on the Devs last season
Check notes again

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Sure you did Troll…..

Makar fan finally accepting Quinn is the best Dman in the league and this is his way of coping.

The sad thing is people actually think the team would make any trade that makes them worse.

We've already seen this team is fully capable of being competing with the best teams and while addmittingly the situation sucks and were not where we should be a win tonight and were back to controlling our own fate.
Common sense dictates things will get better and things will turnaround I mean the forwards have struggled but the biggest issue has been anytime Lankinen isn't in net it's almost a guaranteed loss but going forward it's Lankinens job to lose.

The defence gets blamed but a deeper dive shows us 32 in save% since Demko came back and with Myers playing as well next to Quinn allowing Hronek and Forbort to form an actual good middle pair is huge while Soucy looks completely different in a lesser role with D-Petey.

My point with this bloated post is there's every reason to think the ship is being righted and I have confidence that our GM won't make any trade just to fix the issue and JR said as much and I find it funny how people think that Demko has no value or that JT a 100 point Centre that quite frankly can take over games on both ends on a steal of a contract isn't worth a package similar to what Miko a pending UFA that plays zero defence and is hailed as lazy as an AV

 

[HellOnIce]

Then I'd be happy to ship dougie to Van in the deal

Dougie (3 mill retained)
Casey
Mercer
1st
1st

is a doors blown off package imo

Lol nope, we'll wait 2 years and sign him for nada

 

[dgibb10]

Lol nope, we'll wait 2 years and sign him for nada

Probably, but those are the pieces I'd move if we do trade for him.

the 2 PPQBs (current and future) he makes obsolete, picks, and Mercer.

 

[Siludin]

Because he had agreed to sign long term b4 hand and the Sharks got to negotiate a contract they were happy with (at the time) Details matter

And with two years left, they have Hughes at an even better deal than Karlsson was ever signed for, especially as a factor of cap %.
Imo that's worth more if you're actually contending, especially considering Hughes is playing Hart level hockey at this stage in his career.

 

[Barsky]

And with two years left, they have Hughes at an even better deal than Karlsson was ever signed for, especially as a factor of cap %.
Imo that's worth more if you're actually contending, especially considering Hughes is playing Hart level hockey at this stage in his career.

Ya but thing is they can't even start to think about a new deal for another year and with the crazy near term predictions about the cap that could really bite them in the ass. Do they really wanna fork over 15+ mil/year for him in 2 years?

 

[RedHawkDown]

What cap space are we signing a guy like Ehlers with while we have Raymond, ($8M) Larkin, ($8.7M) Debrincat, ($7.9M) Seider, ($8.5M) Edvinsson (~$8.5M) and Hughes ($7.8M) under contract?

... That's $50M tied up in 6 players. And doesn't factor in Hughes probably asking for $12M+ in 2027, or guys like Kasper, ASP, and Cossa needing secondary contracts.

With the cap at 97M next year and then rising above that as we move forward, its easily doable. We have Copp and Compher both earning north of 5M that will come off the books, along with Holl, Petry, and Chiarot. 54M in 6 players (lets say Hughes gets 12) and 47M for the rest is doable:
5 other defensemen - lets say 13M total, 6 (ASP's bridge probably) +3+2+1+1
34M for 10 other forwards: Ehlers at 8, Kasper at 5, leaves 21 for 8 forwards - about 2.5 on average, which is doable as long as you're using the cap intelligently. Factor in that the cap rises above 100M in the years after and you can fit the goalies in easily too. And not all of these guys will be getting their contracts simultaneously.

You could also replace Danielson + MBN with just ASP in my proposal as ASP is pretty redundant if we have Hughes. I think you underestimate just how dominant that D core would be.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

He's the only captain in the Hughes family

i think it would be funny if he went there and they were like, ykw let’s make luke the captain

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

With the cap at 97M, its easily doable. We have Copp and Compher both earning north of 5M that will come off the books, along with Holl, Petry, and Chiarot.

Spots that you need to fill with other players...

... And they wont be players on ELCs, because you traded all those away lol.