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Quinn Hughes Mega thread: Top in points, Norris consideration, MVP and Canucks fans hearts

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Hawkyknowledge said:
He’s creating this on a much weaker team though as Oz played with perennial Stanley cup contenders with multiple 100+ point players.
Guy is a phenomenal talent that will provide fantasy owners with a huge advantage.
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a trip down memory lane:

young ozo was phenomenal on an expansion sharks team. after getting called up in the '93 season, he produced at a 50 point pace on a 24(!) point second year sharks team led by a 33 year old kelly kisio.

for reference, that was a phenomenal season for rookie defensemen, especially soviet ones. the best rookie defenseman, vlad malakhov (24 years old and already a six year veteran of the soviet pro league) had 52 points in only 64 games. he was the only rookie dman to get calder votes (he got one third place vote; selanne was the unanimous winner and all the other second and third place votes were split between joe juneau, felix potvin, and lindros).

the second best rookie defenseman, according to all-rookie team voting, was scott niedermayer. 40 points in 80 games.

then there was alex zhitnik with 48 points in 78 games and sergei zubov with 31 points in 49 games. those two and ozo had basically identical 50 points/80 game scoring rates, though ozolish played the fewest games (37). darius kasparaitis and dmitri yushkevich were the other really really good rookie soviet defensemen but both were defensive guys so their stats were way lower.

then the next year, in ozo's first full season, he put up 26 goals and 64 points in 81 games to finish second in goals for defenseman, two goals behind al macinnis. ozo finished eleventh in defensemen points but everyone ahead of him except scott stevens had at least double the PP points. and this i remember very clearly—i was watching a sharks game near the end of that season and ozo is 21 years old and leading all defensemen in goals and he's only scored three on the PP and the announcer says, "just wait until this kid learns how to run a powerplay."

ozo followed that breakout regular season with 10 points in the first two rounds of the playoffs, including a stunning upset of detroit from the eighth seed. that team was led by two hall of famers, larionov and makarov, but they were ancient. i don't know that they were really any better than pettersson, boeser, and horvat.
 
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its funny when people bash D-men for accumulating points on the PP when most of the time they are defending and transitioning most of the time at even strength so they aren't trying to make risky plays when its not needed like some others do.
 
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Hughes is way better right off the bat than I expected.

WHISTLERNATE said:
So anything good Benning doesn't get credit for, but he takes the blame for anything bad? Way to be objective, it doesn't sound like you have any type agenda at all.

In your mind, who gets credit for Podkolzin? Or do wait to see if he pans out to see if we credit others or blame JB.
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The rumours certainly point that way on Juolevi.

Hughes goes to both Benning and the scouting staff, everyone seemed unanimously over the moon with him.

Pod had some rumours swirling too, seems like Bennings pick so if he's a superstar credit to Benning. Brackett looked okay with the pick but not thrilled. Rumours pre draft were that Benning loved Broberg and didn't like Soderberg, and Brackett & Co were the opposite - they loved Soderberg and weren't high on Broberg.
 
Kcb12345 said:
This Hughes vs Makar debate is gonna come down to who is better in their own end. Right now I haven't seen enough of Hughes to say who is better defensively but as someone that has seen a lot of Makar, he's not a guy you want to see stuck in your own end in a defensive situation right now. Just not a very responsible player defensively but a dominant player offensively. Think MacKinnon from the backend but with MacKinnon's defense too lol. Need to catch some Canucks games tho
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Makgar is leeching secondary points on the PP he isn't good offensively. In fact he got demoted from the first pairing PP in favour of Girardi, a Nashville castoff who has never hit 30 points in a season.

Since this demotion Makgar has no points. Let that sink in. Projected over a full season that would be zero. How many zero goal scorers have long productive NHL careers?
 
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Panthaz89 said:
its funny when people bash D-men for accumulating points on the PP when most of the time they are defending and transitioning most of the time at even strength so they aren't trying to make risky plays when its not needed like some others do.
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exactly. It's actually common for dmans to rack up a good portion of their points on the powerplay, and it's normal..
 
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Wry n Ginger said:
Watch this player closely when he has the puck and is skating towards an opposition player. The subtle shifts of his body weight, skate angles and stick position completely give the opposing players fits. He changes their body position and momentum and then goes the other way to get around them. He really is a treat to watch once you appreciate how deceptive he is and how well he sees the whole ice. I pause the game a few times for my son or GF and break down a subtle move he makes every once in a while. I am really looking forward to seeing him grow his game over the next few years.
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A good example of this is at 17:08 of the 3rd period when he entered the neutral zone before he assisted on the 2nd goal against Detroit on Oct 22. He puts his edgework to really good use.
 
NOTENOUGHBREWER said:
Makgar is leeching secondary points on the PP he isn't good offensively. In fact he got demoted from the first pairing PP in favour of Girardi, a Nashville castoff who has never hit 30 points in a season.

Since this demotion Makgar has no points. Let that sink in. Projected over a full season that would be zero. How many zero goal scorers have long productive NHL careers?
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Girard is a very good young offensive defenseman. There’s no shame for Makar in not being quite ready to usurp Girard on the 1st PP unit yet.
 

Looks like he’s getting the main stream media attention now
 
Hughes just seems to have had a smoother transition into the NHL. He's doing all of the things that made him special in college but now on a bigger stage and higher level. He looks like an even better skating Girard with high end speed as well, something Girard lacks.

Makar on the other hand doesn't yet look like the dominant player he was in UMass. He seems hesitant and is fighting the puck. You almost wouldn't even notice he's an elite skater most of the time either. He's just not using his tools to his advantage yet. I think the Avs brass (perhaps unfairly) put a lot of pressure on Makar to step in to a top 4 role on a team with high expectations. He might be feeling some of that pressure.
 
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WetcoastOrca said:
With Hughes and EP in the two drafts before this draft it takes a lot of the sting out of the Canucks falling in every draft lottery. Almost feels like we moved up in both lotteries! Funny how things work out sometimes.
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I wonder if we'd have taken Quinn anyway regardless of where we picked(outside the top 2) the rumour is we had him at no3 on our board
 
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UK Canuck said:
I wonder if we'd have taken Quinn anyway regardless of where we picked(outside the top 2) the rumour is we had him at no3 on our board
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I watched Quinn Hughes play during his draft year and couldn't for the life of me understand why Brady Tkachuk was consistently rated higher and went higher.

Hughes has more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk has in his entire being.
 
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Caesar Rex said:
I watched Quinn Hughes play during his draft year and couldn't for the life of me understand why Brady Tkachuk was consistently rated higher and went higher.

Hughes has more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk has in his entire being.
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That's a bit ridiculous B.Tkachuk is really good at hockey he had 45 points in 71 on what was easily the worst team in hockey last season.
 
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Caesar Rex said:
I watched Quinn Hughes play during his draft year and couldn't for the life of me understand why Brady Tkachuk was consistently rated higher and went higher.

Hughes has more skill in his pinky than Tkachuk has in his entire being.
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Brady is a very talented player, bad take imo
 
Lucbourdon said:
Brady is a very talented player, bad take imo
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He is talented but compared to Hughes the gap is huge.

Quinn has better hands, speed, vision, creativity, hockey IQ, agility, passing. Basically any skill attribute while obviously Brady is bigger and more physical.

I'm not saying that Brady is some no skill chump. Just that Quinn blows him out of the water when it comes to pure skill.
 
Lots of real bad takes on this board lol. Hughes is great but trust me he’s going to hit a rough patch at some point too. Really like this player too
 
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