I feel so lucky to be able to watch Quinn Hughes play hockey every few nights with my kids. He is a truly special player. Whether he wins them or not, he will be in the conversation for the Hart, Lindsay and Norris this year.
Quinn Hughes Mega thread: Top in points, Norris consideration, MVP and Canucks fans hearts
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Raistlin
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growing up a canucks fan, I've always imagined Bure and Mogilny having a D man like Zubov, or ..... heck, even Ozolinsh, we got Lumme. Or Naslund and Bertuzzi with Lidstrom or.... even Dan Boyle for a time, we got Ohlund.
Now our captain is comparing career stats with Orr and Coffey. This guy is just a joy to watch each night. McDavid has generational speed, Lindros has generational physical tools, Datsyuk has generational puck skills, Hughes is a generational puck denial/possession monster.
Now our captain is comparing career stats with Orr and Coffey. This guy is just a joy to watch each night. McDavid has generational speed, Lindros has generational physical tools, Datsyuk has generational puck skills, Hughes is a generational puck denial/possession monster.
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Leads the NHL in +/-
Leads these d-men categories :
points
assists
+/-
even strength goals
even strength assists
even strength points
2nd in goals, 2nd in pp points
ATM, there is one favorite to win the Norris and his name is Quinn Hughes.
Leads these d-men categories :
points
assists
+/-
even strength goals
even strength assists
even strength points
2nd in goals, 2nd in pp points
ATM, there is one favorite to win the Norris and his name is Quinn Hughes.
What a puck hog. And I mean that in the most positive sense. People were all high on Makar after the cup win but I thought they should not sleep on Hughes. Two legends in the making.
Frankie Blueberries
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Careful, in my experience any time Hughes and Makar are mentioned in the same post, Avs fans have a meltdown about how Makar is on another planet compared to Hughes.
Makar has been hurt all year and has missed 5 more games that Hughes, but he is still only 2 points away from him.
That’s not even mentioning that Makar leads Hughes in virtually all the major defensive categories like hits (21 vs. 16), blocks (81 vs. 35), takeaways (41 vs. 25), and SH TOI per game (3:00 vs. 0:48) and has a higher defensive zone start percentage (40.7% vs. 35.1%).
Also, +/- is pretty much worthless. Hughes was -10 and -24 in his first two full seasons. Would you say he was a horrible player back then?
With so many games left and him starting to get healthy, it’s Makar AINEC. Hughes is a great player, but there’s levels to this.
Meanwhile Hughes leads in:
Corsi (60.50 vs 55.10)
FF% (58.20 vs 55.18)
GF (108-45 vs 92-60)
xGF % (80.2 vs 73.2)
xGA % (50.85 vs 59.59)
On ice SV% (91.30 vs 88)
5 on 5 Hughes has been ridiculously better as well.
Hughes’s HDGF percentage is 69% vs Makar’s 52%
xGA% (37% vs 27%) while Makar has a lower xGA%, he’s also played 180 minutes less than Hughes at 5 on 5 (Makar missing games skews this).
Every other column is led by Hughes so no need to list it again
Hughes has 9 goals and 39 points on even strength as well to Makar’s 23 points. More than 60% of Makar’s total points have come outside of 5 on 5. 64% of Makar’s points have come from Mackinnon, the leading scorer in the NHL.
There are levels to this I agree, and Hughes has been vastly superior in pretty much all the meaningful aspects.
Hoglander
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Such BS. Hits aren't a defensive stat, lol what are you smoking? And hurt all year? Might have a hangnail or something, cuz if a player is actually hurt, their level of play drops.
What a load of crap.
The AINEC rhetoric between Makar and Hughes is laughable at this point. I have have no horse in this race, but saying it's not even close is either ignorant or (insert your own descriptor).
The fact that he argues +/- is a useless stat (to make his argument more convenient) and then brings up other minuscule “defensive stats” in which really has no relevance or meaning in regards to defense (aside from blocks) is hilarious to me. Especially when virtually both have the same type of stats in those departments anyway.
The only real stat that is Makar blocks a ton more shots than Hughes. And plays considerably more on the PK which is more representing of deployment and team usage rather than defensive ability lol
GirardSpinorama
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Why did you just single out hits? Do you admit the other stats are defensive and point heavily in Makar’s favor?
Also, you clearly don’t know shit outside of your Vancouver bubble. Makar missed most of training camp and 5 games this year due to a nagging lower-body injury. Most Avs fans will tell you that it’s been clear that he’s been dealing with something all year.
Colorado Avalanche’s Cale Makar details recovery from lower-body injury
Makar dealt with numerous injuries a year ago, including multiple stints in concussion protocol, but describes his latest issue as lower body. Makar’s entire offseason was dedicated to “feeling normal again” during a challenging rehab process.
denvergazette.com
GirardSpinorama
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Takeaways and hits are individual skater stats. They arent perfect but at least they tell you the player's capabilities. On-ice save percentage is heavily influenced by the goalie.
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Leading by 5 hits and takeaways by 15 and then somehow using that to argue defensive ability discredits your post entirely, especially when you use the words “heavily favor”. The cope is insaneWhy did you just single out hits? Do you admit the other stats are defensive and point heavily in Makar’s favor?
Also, you clearly don’t know shit outside of your Vancouver bubble. Makar missed most of training camp and 5 games this year due to a nagging lower-body injury. Most Avs fans will tell you that it’s been clear that he’s been dealing with something all year.
Colorado Avalanche’s Cale Makar details recovery from lower-body injury
Makar dealt with numerous injuries a year ago, including multiple stints in concussion protocol, but describes his latest issue as lower body. Makar’s entire offseason was dedicated to “feeling normal again” during a challenging rehab process.denvergazette.com
If Makar had 40 more hits and 30 more takeaways than Hughes, I could see your point. But he only has 5 more hits and 15 more takeaways. LOL
Buck Naked
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Sounds like he spends too much time in his Dzone. Better to keep the puck on your stick, like Hughes, so you don't have to defend too much.
The fact that Hughes has nearly 60 minutes of puck control while the next player is somewhere in there 30’s speaks for itself. Entirety of the NHL.
Well, the Avs deploy Makar like a complete defenseman that he is. So he has a lot more defensive zone starts and SH TOI (even had a nice coast to coast SHG yesterday) than Hughes.
Buck Naked
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That stat is so insane. Would love to see historically if other players' done that.
Makar's basically got the highest percentage of Ozone starts of all Ds in the league. Among Ds with over 500 minutes played 5v5 he's in a huge lead.
GirardSpinorama
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Both of you are using a bunch of stats without context. At the end, when makar over takes in scoring and the Avs overtake in the standings, that's what will really matter.
PepsiCenterMagic
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I wouldn't go onto the Canucks page to say something like this. But since the thread in the general hockey discussion board, I'll go ahead and say that there are some major mental gymnastics going on in this thread. Hughes is phenomenal, and had a great start to the year (when the thread was created), but Makar is simply better.
Hoglander
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It illustrates how far you are trying to stretch your insanely dumb narrative. Numbers seem to suggest the Makar has been better on special teams, while Hughes has been better 5on5.Why did you just single out hits? Do you admit the other stats are defensive and point heavily in Makar’s favor?
Also, you clearly don’t know shit outside of your Vancouver bubble. Makar missed most of training camp and 5 games this year due to a nagging lower-body injury. Most Avs fans will tell you that it’s been clear that he’s been dealing with something all year.
Colorado Avalanche’s Cale Makar details recovery from lower-body injury
Makar dealt with numerous injuries a year ago, including multiple stints in concussion protocol, but describes his latest issue as lower body. Makar’s entire offseason was dedicated to “feeling normal again” during a challenging rehab process.denvergazette.com
All players play through being hurt, including Hughes. There is simply no way Makar has been playing through anything of significance while still being at the top of his game - that's just common sense. Both players are awesome, and Hughes has caught up. Learn to accept it and live with it.
I said he’s being deployed like a complete defensemen…meaning all situations, PP, PK, and 5v5. Not just 5v5 and/or PP.
