Quinn Hughes Mega thread: Top in points, Norris consideration, MVP and Canucks fans hearts

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Makar - 5'11" 187 lbs

Fox - 5'11" - 182 lbs

Hughes - 5'10" - 180 lbs

LO - f***ing - L


Whole different weight class there...

these numbers are fugazi.

Makar is definitely bigger than that and Quinn is barely 5'9" irl

 

[TBF1972]

could? sure
will? i would bet against it.

often the norris trophy has to be earned over multiple seasons and in several cases it was more a career achievement than an award for the best of the actual season. quinn hughes still has to build his resumée or he has the wastly outperform the other candidates.

 

[kranuck]

agree, weird hype thread. Maybe we can let 1/4 of the season to go buy before speculating on long shots to win Calder, Norris, and Hart?

Based on what OP?

Are we expecting Makar, Fox, or Dahlin to regress or get injured? Pure fantasy at this point.

Based on him being as good as them.

Lots of people who don’t watch Hughes and just hate on him. Sad.

 

[Breakers]

Even Hughes knows he has been playing with some absolute garbage over the years

And I mean TRASH players
Because this organization hasn’t drafted or attempted to develop a right shot defenceman

 

[kranuck]

Wow. Makar is great, but giving him a 2/3 chance of winning the Norris is so dumb.

Odds are how casinos make money, not some amazing well informed prediction of future events.

 

[Golden_Jet]

No he won’t win.

 

[rypper]

these numbers are fugazi.

Makar is definitely bigger than that and Quinn is barely 5'9" irl

Allvin is 6'2 and Tocchet is 6'0.

 

[nucks88]

Makar is far more physical and has a much stronger base. You don’t have to read EP vitals stats to realize this. Not all human bodies are the same even if the stats seem to indicate there isn’t a huge difference. Makar will rock a fool from time to time and his skating platform is about power and explosiveness.

But yeah back to the OP, I don’t see why Hughes can’t be on the shortlist this year of guys who can win the Norris. He’s hovering around 5/6 in Vegas odds, ahead of for example Karlsson so I think there’s a general perception this wouldn’t be a surprising outcome even if he’s not the favorite.

Guess that explains why he’s always injured …

 

[BKarchitect]

Guess that explains why he’s always injured …

Why the snark?

I just said Hughes has every reason to be considered a frontline Norris candidate. What’s so hard to understand about a nuanced evaluation of players? Why does “hey here’s a difference between these two” mean I’m taking a shot at Quinn?

It’s is disengenious to say Hughes is too small and weak to win the Norris. That’s a dumb take for sure.

It’s equally disingenuous to throw up “5-10 vs 5-11, why doesn’t anybody say this about the other player” when it is very clear on ice there is a difference in their physicality.

 

[SiZ]

Is it though? I’d put my money on makar.

It's a long season, and it hasn't even started yet. A lot can happen.

 

[wetcoast]

And Heiskanen, Makar, Fox, Dahlin are just old men?

I'm a Canucks fan and big on Hughes.

His defensive game is extremely underrated rated he just looks a decent shot and will be pressed to get double digits in goals.

 

[Mrb1p]

Hughes is just not a top 10 Dman on any given year.

 

[Three On Zero]

Hughes is just not a top 10 Dman on any given year.

I would peg him roughly 10th, his issue is his small stature and he can’t overcome that like Makar can. He’s a small player who plays a smal game, easily beaten off the puck when under pressure. When he’s at the top of his game he’s a top tier talent, but he can’t sustain that.

 

[Ace of Hades]

^Horrible garbage takes from the two above posters.

Hughes is closer to being a top 5 D than he is of a top 10.

Back on thread, he has a shot for Norris but it's going to be incredibly tough.

 

[Breakers]

Hughes is just not a top 10 Dman on any given year.

Says the guy who thought Josh brook was better prospect than Q. hughes


Might want to sit this one out bud

 

[Regal]

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Allvin is 6'2 and Tocchet is 6'0.

Way to crop the photo…

 

[ponder]

Well the probabilities don't really work like that. What you're supposed to do is take the harmonic mean of every option, then divide it by the amount of options, and then divide the implied probability by that amount.

That's because the probabilities add up to like 88% or something depending on the vig, not 100%.

Those add up to 88% because it’s not all the players who could win the Norris, just the top handful of favourites.

FWIW, I didn’t do any calculations by hand here, I just Googled “implied probability calculator”, and plugged in the betting lines.

None of this is perfect, but it’s a decent assessment of his odds, more objective than you’ll get from the average individual fan.

 

[Siludin]

The problem with this thread is that the take "probably not" would be the correct take for literally any Norris candidate, even Makar, because the distribution of possible winners is always pretty high.

Something like "will Hughes win a Norris in the next 15 years" is more of an interesting question.
Some say no but I will say yes.

I know the field gets more difficult but Hughes will probably have another 4-5 elite seasons where he has a 5-10% chance of winning and then, hopefully, a nice twilight with a couple of swan song seasons à la Giordano, Burns, Karlsson.

If you give Hughes a 5% chance of winning every year for the next 15 years, he still over a 50% chance of winning at least once.

If you think he will only play another 10 years, the chance probably only drops by about 10%, because you would also re-consider the probabilities such that he has a higher chance of winning in the next ten years vs. the final five of what would be a fairly long career at that point.

 

[Coffee]

Usually you have to make the playoffs to win the Norris so I'll go gonna go with no.

Not ready to give your western neighbours the nod yet , hey?

 

[LemonSauceD]

I think he has a chance if he puts up more points than any other defenseman. Of all current defenseman, only Makar, Karlsson, and Hughes are capable of hitting 85-90+ points imo.

He’s not better than say Fox/Makar/Heiskanen defensively, but he’s around average. His playmaking ability is one of the best in the league. His ability to control the game is incredible.

 

[dirtydanglez]

he's on the outside looking in. i dont think he'll win or even get nominated. he'll get some votes tho.

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Of all current defenseman, only Makar, Karlsson, and Hughes are capable of hitting 85-90+ points imo.

Not sure how Dahlin isn't here, feel he has a better chance than Hughes.

 

[Three On Zero]

Not sure how Dahlin isn't here, feel he has a better chance than Hughes.

Dahlin and Hughes are fairly interchangeable

Hughes better on the offensive end
Dahlin better on the defensive end

All depends which you prefer/need

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Dahlin and Hughes are fairly interchangeable

Hughes better on the offensive end
Dahlin better on the defensive end

All depends which you prefer/need

I still don't think that Hughes is any better offensively, but Dahlin can definitely reach the mentioned point totals.

We'll see how the season plays out.

 

[Petey O]

And Heiskanen, Makar, Fox, Dahlin are just old men?

There's no bigger insecurity in the NHL right now than Avalanche fans bringing up Makar whenever Quinn Hughes is mentioned.