Quinn Hughes is having a Hart caliber season and it’s not talked about enough

[Senor Catface]

Avalanche fans seeing someone dare start a Hughes topic.

 

[Lonewolfe2015]

Two more points in two more games? What happens if Hughes scores 3 or 4 points in those two games in hand? Is Hughes your Norris frontrunner then?

And just to clarify, competition matters to you but strength of teammates/linemates don't?

How would Makar look being paired with Tyler Myers?

Goals > Assists, Hughes needs to have a 5-10 pt scoring lead to have the offensive angle. There's the team quality argument, sure, but Makar can't control who he plays with and if you've watched the Avs you would recognize Makar isn't a product nor the beneficiary of his team. He drives the points he earns typically. Also Makar is in a colder streak, he and Hughes have traded hot and cold throughout the season. Curious to see if Cale re-extends his lead soon.

I also strongly disagree with people who think their player would linearly improve if they switched places with another on another team. It's completely ignoring puck possession dynamics. Hughes on the Avs would be contending with MacK for puck control and it could hurt him just as much as help. I personally think Makar loses points because of MacK carrying the play more, when Makar is more than capable.

Competition on the other hand can be controlled. If your coach doesn't trust you against the other team's best, can you really be considered the best? PK I'm a bit more forgiving on because I understand the strategic value, but ES there's really no forgiveness. Beat the best to be the best.

And yeah, total points matter beyond pace for trophies. No one wins the Norris off pace at the end of the year, or Makar would have 3? Of them by then.

Anyways... Enjoy the Hart chatter. I got caught down a rabbit hole of questions related to Norris talk. Not my intention.

 

[thefutures]

Goals > Assists, Hughes needs to have a 5-10 pt scoring lead to have the offensive angle. There's the team quality argument, sure, but Makar can't control who he plays with and if you've watched the Avs you would recognize Makar isn't a product nor the beneficiary of his team. He drives the points he earns typically. Also Makar is in a colder streak, he and Hughes have traded hot and cold throughout the season. Curious to see if Cale re-extends his lead soon.

I also strongly disagree with people who think their player would linearly improve if they switched places with another on another team. It's completely ignoring puck possession dynamics. Hughes on the Avs would be contending with MacK for puck control and it could hurt him just as much as help. I personally think Makar loses points because of MacK carrying the play more, when Makar is more than capable.

Competition on the other hand can be controlled. If your coach doesn't trust you against the other team's best, can you really be considered the best? PK I'm a bit more forgiving on because I understand the strategic value, but ES there's really no forgiveness. Beat the best to be the best.

And yeah, total points matter beyond pace for trophies. No one wins the Norris off pace at the end of the year, or Makar would have 3? Of them by then.

I think you will be disappointed. Werenski and a healthy hughes are both having better seasons.

 

[Rowlet]

Goals > Assists, Hughes needs to have a 5-10 pt scoring lead to have the offensive angle. There's the team quality argument, sure, but Makar can't control who he plays with and if you've watched the Avs you would recognize Makar isn't a product nor the beneficiary of his team. He drives the points he earns typically. Also Makar is in a colder streak, he and Hughes have traded hot and cold throughout the season. Curious to see if Cale re-extends his lead soon.

I also strongly disagree with people who think their player would linearly improve if they switched places with another on another team. It's completely ignoring puck possession dynamics. Hughes on the Avs would be contending with MacK for puck control and it could hurt him just as much as help. I personally think Makar loses points because of MacK carrying the play more, when Makar is more than capable.

Competition on the other hand can be controlled. If your coach doesn't trust you against the other team's best, can you really be considered the best? PK I'm a bit more forgiving on because I understand the strategic value, but ES there's really no forgiveness. Beat the best to be the best.

And yeah, total points matter beyond pace for trophies. No one wins the Norris off pace at the end of the year, or Makar would have 3? Of them by then.

Makar is way worse when MacKinnon isn't on the ice, his 5v5 corsi, fenwick, and expected stats are all between 40-44%, while the Avalanche when neither of them are on the ice is ~50%

 

[bossram]

Makar is way worse when MacKinnon isn't on the ice, his 5v5 corsi, fenwick, and expected stats are all between 40-44%, while the Avalanche when neither of them are on the ice is ~50%

This is biggest argument for Hughes and against Makar, with a bullet.

Makar's impact craters without Mackinnon on the ice. While Hughes drives the entire Canucks roster.

Makar feasts on the environment his elite teammates create. Hughes is the only player on Vancouver capable of creating a winning environment.

 

[Rowlet]

This is biggest argument for Hughes and against Makar, with a bullet.

Makar's impact craters without Mackinnon on the ice. While Hughes drives the entire Canucks roster.

Makar feasts on the environment his elite teammates create. Hughes is the only player on Vancouver capable of creating a winning environment.

Yep, Hughes is closer to MacKinnon than Makar at this point.

 

[Joe Rogan]

Makar is absolutely a beneficiary of his environment, if you argue that doesn't play a factor you are delusional. If Hughes was on Edmonton's powerplay with Mcdavid and Draisaitl, he'd have 60 pts on the season already. The fact he is leading his team in scoring by 17 pts is ridiculous

 

[Albatros]

This is biggest argument for Hughes and against Makar, with a bullet.

Makar's impact craters without Mackinnon on the ice. While Hughes drives the entire Canucks roster.

Makar feasts on the environment his elite teammates create. Hughes is the only player on Vancouver capable of creating a winning environment.

Colorado has the better team, but let's not pretend like the Canucks are bottom feeders either. This is by and large the same team that won the Pacific last year and went to game seven against Edmonton without their Vezina finalist goalie.

 

[Rowlet]

Colorado has the better team, but let's not pretend like the Canucks are bottom feeders either. This is by and large the same team that won the Pacific last year and went to game seven against Edmonton without their Vezina finalist goalie.

That is not the case this year, Hughes is the only thing keeping them from being a bottom feeder

PS the Canucks without Hughes is on the chart too but they're so low you have to click on the tweet to see them

 

[Else Ermine]

I’m not quite understanding that this is some kind of big secret.

I'm a Canucks fan that often watches them play on the other team's feed, and yeah, every single one of them gives Hughes constant attention and praise on their broadcast. He's probably the poster boy for players that are being talked about enough.

 

[BluesyShoes]

I'm a Canucks fan that often watches them play on the other team's feed, and yeah, every single one of them gives Hughes constant attention and praise on their broadcast. He's probably the poster boy for players that are being talked about enough.

I think the Norris really helped that along. It's an easy story for away team broadcasters to talk about when playing the Canucks, so they do a bit of homework and watch him under a microscope for something to talk about at the intermission, and now the out of market media is really realizing like "holy shit, he does absolutely everything in every zone for the Canucks".