Player Discussion Jake Evans (Part II)

[Redux91]

It's absolutely insane people keep calling him 4th liner..

On ice time alone, you 'could' call Heineman a 4th liner

But Jake playing 18 mins a night, means he is no 4th liner

And even more infuriating then that lol, if you call him a 4th liner, then Dvorak is our 3rd line C
And I'm sorry but he's just not lol

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Gotta find a way to keep him imo. We’re too thin at centre to take a step back. His game has grown into a pivotal 3rd line center.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Play on words all you want, I hate interacting with people who do this? Late round picks rarely pan out but those who do have to work extra harder and show more determination. Condescending know it alls make sites like this less enjoyable, you should be proud.

You know what is less enjoyable, ppl making claims they can’t back up and then getting upset when it gets pointed out to them.

 

[expy]

Was it a grave mistake to let go of Dannault?

He wasn't traded, he signed as a Free Agent due to Bergevin being an idiot and not negotiating earlier... Aside from the fact that he's a terrible negotiator and contract maker...

Right as of now the rumors are that he's a potential trade target.
Unless you can get back a roster player of equal or better value, you don't trade him for picks... Unless you really want to just let him walk at Free Agency or can't come to a proper financial agreement.

If there are issues with the cap... Fix them, don't pull another Lehkonen.

 

[Tyson]

You know what is less enjoyable, ppl making claims they can’t back up and then getting upset when it gets pointed out to them.

I backed it up but like a 12 year old you keep arguing. I never ignore posters but consider yourself ignored.

 

[yianik]

I'd be unhappy if we could have signed him for $4M or under, and didn't.

Over $4M we should not sign him. If we are offered a 1st trade him. If we are offered less than a 1st and we are in the fight I keep him as our own rental. If he wants more than $4M and we are out of it get what we can.

I hope we can sign him.

 

[yianik]

How valid is the rumor Jake will need to come down on his demands and where is the leak coming from if it is real?

Yeah in these last few years there have been 0 leaks from Hughes and I don't see him as playing that way. I think it's just obvious that as of now Evans is not signed and if they have had any conversations it means Evans is asking for too much and the Habs offering too little.

 

[LaP]

Yeah in these last few years there have been 0 leaks from Hughes and I don't see him as playing that way. I think it's just obvious that as of now Evans is not signed and if they have had any conversations it means Evans is asking for too much and the Habs offering too little.

I agree. If it would be a no brainer he would have been signed by now. Not impossible they sign him but i doubt they are close to a deal atm. My stance on this is the same as it was for Monahan. I think he'll be traded for a 1st round pick. I was right with Monahan time will tell if i'm right here.

 

[HuGort]

Around 4 million is my cut off point for Evans. I think that is being generous. He's a good 4th line center. But at end of day, he's still a 4th line center. They not that hard to replace.

I might go 4 years if it gets deal done. Takes him through his prime years. But rather 3

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

With interviews it said from TSN that Hugues wont overpay for Evans.

Save to say he should get Armia money and if not , habs will trade him. Evans is good but he's still a bottom 6 player at his best. Also not sure if Evans can play as a 3rd center an entire season.

 

[Goalfield13]

With interviews it said from TSN that Hugues wont overpay for Evans.

Save to say he should get Armia money and if not , habs will trade him. Evans is good but he's still a bottom 6 player at his best. Also not sure if Evans can play as a 3rd center an entire season.

Who do we have on this roster that can play as 3C for entire season better than Evans could? If the answer isn't on the team, where do we get it, and how much does it cost?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Evans is having the best season of his career by far, and will want to get paid accordly. We should not be the one paying him that new contract. Chances are he will regress, and we have many upcoming center prospects that are very close to the nhl (Beck, Kapanen, Hage) that will need that opportunity.

 

[JianYang]

I am confused, why is there no assist for Jake last night? He made the perfect setup on the 1st goal.
All kidding aside, I like the player, just not sure how you can spend so much on a 4th liner.

I feel the money should be spent on the top 6 to push out guys like Newhook....whether it be spending on a UFA, trading assets to acquire a better player or re-signing a guy like Laine. Hence the importance of selling high on assets such as Evans and Savard and stock piling picks.

If they don't sign Evans, they have to sign someone else who can slot in right away if they want to grow. I think we have seen the importance of adding an extra veteran on defense already and how that has allowed the young guys to settle in.

They need someone to do that for a guy like Beck too as they go through their trials and turbulations at the nhl level.

 

[Deebs]

Ideally we get Evans signed to a manageable contract. We run Suzy, Kirby, Jake and let the best man win the #4C at camp. Be it Beck, Kapanen, etc....

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Who do we have on this roster that can play as 3C for entire season better than Evans could? If the answer isn't on the team, where do we get it, and how much does it cost?

Like I said , You'd pay Evans 5-6 years at 4.5m+
If there is a GM stupid enough to give a 20-30 points player that much money to play defensively then i think it's easy to move on.

 

[Stoneburg]

Management has said they want to sign him, at the right price. At that point, it is up to Evans' camp, but management must also be reasonable.
It will be interesting to see how this goes.

 

[JianYang]

Who do we have on this roster that can play as 3C for entire season better than Evans could? If the answer isn't on the team, where do we get it, and how much does it cost?

Im not disagreeing with with you but it seems like there's at least some people who view him as nothing more than a 4C.

 

[billy piton]

Ideally we get Evans signed to a manageable contract. We run Suzy, Kirby, Jake and let the best man win the #4C at camp. Be it Beck, Kapanen, etc....

it's tricky since all of them are righthanded. we need someone to take (and win) draws lefthanded when dvorak leaves. imo, if evans was lefthanded he'd be re-signed already.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

It's absolutely insane people keep calling him 4th liner..

On ice time alone, you 'could' call Heineman a 4th liner

But Jake playing 18 mins a night, means he is no 4th liner

And even more infuriating then that lol, if you call him a 4th liner, then Dvorak is our 3rd line C
And I'm sorry but he's just not lol

he has more icetime because Dvorak and Dach are god damn awful as centers

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

We really need to find a better 2nd line center. Dach just isnt cutting it and over paying for Evans makes no sense. When I look at our centers it is dog shit after Suzuki honestly.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I agree. If it would be a no brainer he would have been signed by now. Not impossible they sign him but i doubt they are close to a deal atm. My stance on this is the same as it was for Monahan. I think he'll be traded for a 1st round pick. I was right with Monahan time will tell if i'm right here.

If we are in the thick of a playoff race we are not selling Evans. You should come to grips with that reality.

 

[ReHabs]

0pts in his last 6gp

When people say Habs fans are bipolar, it is the reactions that erupt during certain mini-phases like when Evans was red hot and 9pts in 11gp "Evans must be retained"

Thankfully Hughes has his eyes on the prize. The Habs are in no position to give a bottom6 player bigger-than-he's-worth money when we're missing a top6 C and a top2 D.

I previously voted 3.25m and 4yrs for him and even that is objectively too much. It's not a matter of cap space but being efficient and effective with how it is utilized. Can we find a Evans alternative on the trade/cap-dump market or the FA market? I think yes.

If we are in the thick of a playoff race we are not selling Evans. You should come to grips with that reality.

In the thick of the race for the last WC spot? (ie fighting for 50th percentile) We're a pretender's pretender and should sell Evans for a suitable offer if one come our way. Armia, Dvorak, Savard as well.

In the thick of jockey for a playoff seeding (ie top3 in the division) -- keep Evans for sure but know it'll hurt not getting assets for him.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

0pts in his last 6gp

When people say Habs fans are bipolar, it is the reactions that erupt during certain mini-phases like when Evans was red hot and 9pts in 11gp "Evans must be retained"

Thankfully Hughes has his eyes on the prize. The Habs are in no position to give a bottom6 player bigger-than-he's-worth money when we're missing a top6 C and a top2 D.

I previously voted 3.25m and 4yrs for him and even that is objectively too much. It's not a matter of cap space but being efficient and effective with how it is utilized. Can we find a Evans alternative on the trade/cap-dump market or the FA market? I think yes.


In the thick of the race for the last WC spot? (ie fighting for 50th percentile) We're a pretender's pretender and should sell Evans for a suitable offer if one come our way. Armia, Dvorak, Savard as well.

In the thick of jockey for a playoff seeding (ie top3 in the division) -- keep Evans for sure but know it'll hurt not getting assets for him.

Teams never do this. The experience of playing real meaningful games is equally as important as the magic beans. More so, imo.

 

[ReHabs]

Teams never do this. The experience of playing real meaningful games is equally as important as the magic beans. More so, imo.

I'm not a magic beans guy typically but the god awful start buried our team's chances to make the playoffs. I want meaningful games as much as anyone and especially if we're in a playoff spot we gotta go as far as we can but if we're not in a playoff spot and are just jockeying for a WC spot, nah. Not worth it.

Since Dec 1st we have a 0.658 pt%. We'd have to keep a 0.650% going forward and that seems difficult if you take into account WPG, TBL, TOR, DAL, FLA, and WSH are all around the Habs in pt% [range: 0.611-0.684] over the same period and have significantly better and more mature teams. We're just running red hot.

If things slow down and we regress our pt% and lose more games, I don't think anyone would regret selling Evans and others for a small fortune. The only reason I want to sell Evans & Co. is because we need the assets to acquire the 2C and 2D we need to compete and the only really head-turning valuable prospect we have is Michael Hage and I'd like to keep him.

 

[Hins77]

Who do we have on this roster that can play as 3C for entire season better than Evans could? If the answer isn't on the team, where do we get it, and how much does it cost?

Newhook. Next year. Demidov is coming and Newhook is gonna play on the third lind. And if this is not Newhook, it could be Yanni Gourde. I would give him a contract. He won the stanley cup, he is a realiable pker. I mean, I prefer to letting walk a bottom 6 player than overpay him.