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Johnnyduke said:
Maybe but I think most can handle a necessary, proper rebuild. What people rightfully can't accept is the complete dysfunctional incompetence we have seen since Tom Brady bolted.
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And I’m pretty sure I addressed the “complete dysfunctional incompetence” part in my post above what you quoted.

Bill Belichick is the GOAT coach imo, but the amount of control he exerted over the franchise for 20+ years is no longer sustainable in the modern NFL.

I think the lack of infrastructure and support (due to BB wanting control) hurt the Patriots in the scouting, drafting, coaching and pro personnel areas. Brady masked some of that stuff, but when he left it became more apparent.

Right now the Pats are a mess. I think Vrabel is a good start to begin building the culture, but they have a lot of work to do.
 
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GloryDaze4877 said:
Except it was Belichick, not Kraft that was responsible for doing this stuff. Under Bill, the Pats typically had one of the smaller staffs in the NFL. The rumor was that he was given X amount for the coaching staff salaries and any extra went back to him.

Unsure if that is true or it was just BB’s dislike of coaches outside his circle of trust? Either way, he was the one that brought Patricia and Judge back while they were still being paid by other organizations. Followed that up by not giving them titles (so they retained their HC salaries) and assigning them to positions they had no experience coaching.
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So Kraft hiring Mayo as HC had nothing to do with avoiding paying him his buyout clause? So the patriots player and family facilities being rated amongst the worst 3 in the NFL had nothing to do with the Krafts? The fact that the Patriots have been amongst the lowest spending teams overall in the league has nothing to do with the Krafts.. it was all Belichick? News to me, thanks for enlightening me.
 
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GloryDaze4877 said:
And I’m pretty sure I addressed the “complete dysfunctional incompetence” part in my post above what you quoted.

Bill Belichick is the GOAT coach imo, but the amount of control he exerted over the franchise for 20+ years is no longer sustainable in the modern NFL.

I think the lack of infrastructure and support (due to BB wanting control) hurt the Patriots in the scouting, drafting, coaching and pro personnel areas. Brady masked some of that stuff, but when he left it became more apparent.

Right now the Pats are a mess. I think Vrabel is a good start to begin building the culture, but they have a lot of work to do.
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IMO some of BB's biggest successes became his Achillies heel ---- turning Stephen Neal into a legitimate, effective OL. Drafting Brady in round 6 and seeing him become the best ever, frequently taking guys off the scrap heap and seeing them become all-pro level players (Vrabel for example).

I think these often gave him the idea that he could do it far more often than one could reasonably expect.
 
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