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Question for the fire Dubas crowd, who is available that is an upgrade and isn't inexperienced?

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Fire dubas, put Brandon Pridham as interim GM. Otherwise I would have literally anyone else, and fire all the management, coaching staff, and professional scouting team. Sucks that we have to pay Dubas for the rest of the year when he is let go.

Id understand if Dubas was actually likely to do something but keep in mind hes said the Core is safe / immovable. He wont make a trade in anticipation of the Matthews contract. We need someone who is actually willing to do something.
 
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Puckstuff said:
Nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is bad as it seems.

The good.

Top 6 forwards - Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Tavares, Bunting, Robertson, Kerfoot is as good as any top 7 in the entire NHL. The 4th line is very, very good as well. The bad is a few of them are out of form at the moment.

The defense: Liljegren, Giordano, Sandin all at 800 k and 1.4 million is just ridiculous surplus of value. Rielly at 7.5 and Brodie at 5 is also pretty decent value.

The goalie - Samsonov is looking like elite value. Even if he falls off a bit 1.8 million is very good value for this goalie. It's a low risk, medium to high return investment.

GM: I'll get to the bad after but Robertson, Bunting, Samsonov, Brodie, Sandin, Liljegren, Giordano were great decisions. This is where Dubas has done well.

The bad:

Muzzin: He is cooked and at 5.5 million we just cannot afford this type of liability.

Murray: The Murray trade was always high risk and it seems to be a massive liability to the team. Even if he turns out to be ok, it seems like we could have done better considering the risks.

Coaching: I don't think Keefe has done a very good job with adjusting when things are not working. His lineups are very questionable, doesn't seem to be able zoom out and see the big picture very well. In important games he gets out coached but his inability to find new line combinations that works is his biggest flaw. Also criticizing the team and not having the self awareness that Marner has been abused enough in this market is not wise. I know 80 % if you will disagree but knowing Marner's personality and the fact Marner takes a lot of physiological abuse on social media, putting this type of attention on the core players in this market in the 2nd game was just not smart in my opinion. I think this lost him the room and you're seeing the players don't want to play for him anymore after that day.

Defence: Lacks a physical D with no Muzzin or Lybushkin, we're a bit soft. We could really use a big hard hitting defensemen. Like really, really bad.

Bottom 6 - Engvall, Jarnkrok are below average 3rd liners if we're comparing them to teams with more depth which is more then half the league.

The GM - The GM goes into the good column and the bad column. For all the good he has done by bringing in cap friendly players like Bunting, Gio and finding great young cheap players like Lilly and Sandin he gives all that surplus value away by going out and taking on to much money on Murray.



Solution: LTIR Muzzin the rest of the season, Hire, Trotz. Big offer for Horvat. Big offer for Josh Morrisey. We have 1st round picks and a couple of good top prospects like Nimela, Knies, Steeves.


1. Bunting----Matthews----Marner
2 A - Horvat-----Tavares------Jarnkrok
2 B - Robertson—Kerfoot----Nylander
4. Aston-Reese--Kampf---Aube-Kubel



Rielly----Lillegren
Giordano-Brodie
Morrisey-Sandin



Samsonov
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Good post, well thought out and meaningful.
 
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Lack of experience might not even be the sticking point if someone has to come in and stop the slide for the interim. For the sake of the team, here's hoping the situation doesn't get to that point.
 
Puckstuff said:
Nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is bad as it seems.

1. Bunting----Matthews----Marner
2 A - Horvat-----Tavares------Jarnkrok
2 B - Robertson—Kerfoot----Nylander
4. Aston-Reese--Kampf---Aube-Kubel

Rielly----Lillegren
Giordano-Brodie
Morrisey-Sandin

Samsonov
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The post has some good ideas but what was mentioned about the GM is a little light on some of the detail.

Its also a little light & mostly theoretical unless you put AAVs for each player (use a spreadsheet, CapFriendly, whatever) and include buy-outs, retained salary. Its a cap league so the numbers move it from theoretical to practical. Maybe you've done this, & not saying you haven't. We've been up against the cap ceiling for awhile, so solutions are limited to what the cap allows. I believe our projected cap space right now is $0.
 
Canadian Finn said:
it makes sense this place is borderline unreadable when the team is "not" borderline unwatchable.

team turns it around, the board will follow.
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I guess you're right, it's not surprising. Still, it's nice to see that some posters aren't going along with the herd, even if they are only a small minority
 
Nooodles said:
Whoa damn, thats a sensitive question.

They dont speak of it. They just want this young piece of shit with glasses to be fired because he already achieved more by age 35 than they ever will in their life.

They have no alternative though. But who cares? Unemployed Dumbass would be the best thing ever!!
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You mean the glasses he wears to make him appear smart?

Lots of Alternative. He created a riff between himself and the previous GM who was fired as a result.
He needs to go because he will not let go of his friend and coach who had clearly loss the room and can not speak his mind without having to walk back his opinions.

He needs to go because his vision for the team has not material change the results.

There are many people who are qualified to run a hockey team.
 
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PROUD PAPA said:
Please do, i'd love to see it.
This team needs some significant change for the better. Probably in several areas, GM's coaches and even presidents don't normally cost any hockey assets to change out unless you're poaching then it's usually a pick.
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Dubas should be fired for a few obvious reasons that cant be justified

Matt Murray trade. Ottawa was in a jam with his contract. They had to get rid of him, they couldn’t sign a couple of key players without him gone. Dubas takes a chance on a guy who hasnt been healthy in three years. Especially an important year like this when matthews and nylander contracts are coming up for renewal. And to top it all off he can only get ottawa to retain 25 per cent instead of 50, who else was taking murray off ottawas hand. No one, we had them by the short and curlies and dubas still lost that trade.

Signed samsanov for a backup who was faltering in Washington and couldn’t make it as their backup.? He is doing good for us but expecting him to be our number one is unrealistic. He is what he is tight now and thats a backup.

Dubas is decent at drafting but that is all.
He doesnt know how to build a team
He is soft and his team is soft
He is terrible at trades
Cant and wont make the tough decisions

How can dubas justify an unknown trial at the most important position on the team.

There was always going to be a chance that this goaltending situation wasnt going to work out. What was his backup plan or is he flying by the seat of his pants

And thats not including Holl who has 1 point this year playing over 20 minutes a night. You know who else has 1 point this year Kyle f***ing Clifford.

How can dubas main man keefe justify robertson ice time last night. Less than 6 minutes. How can he improve with that ice time.

Dubas and his buddy keefe have to go
 
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Try the Zamboni driver maybe he can do something with this team other than kick there asses
 
Literally anyone who has ever played this sport at a competitive level for a few years could do better.

It’s no different than any other trade. Someone can listen to music for 40,50,60 years. Start to actually play an instrument and your level of understanding of music increases tenfold.

Perhaps there aren’t A+ candidates available at the moment, but better than Dubas? Literally thousands upon thousands of former pro players would be better.
 
notdoneyet said:
Dubas should be fired for a few obvious reasons that cant be justified

Matt Murray trade. Ottawa was in a jam with his contract. They had to get rid of him, they couldn’t sign a couple of key players without him gone. Dubas takes a chance on a guy who hasnt been healthy in three years. Especially an important year like this when matthews and nylander contracts are coming up for renewal. And to top it all off he can only get ottawa to retain 25 per cent instead of 50, who else was taking murray off ottawas hand. No one, we had them by the short and curlies and dubas still lost that trade.

Signed samsanov for a backup who was faltering in Washington and couldn’t make it as their backup.? He is doing good for us but expecting him to be our number one is unrealistic. He is what he is tight now and thats a backup.

Dubas is decent at drafting but that is all.
He doesnt know how to build a team
He is soft and his team is soft
He is terrible at trades
Cant and wont make the tough decisions

How can dubas justify an unknown trial at the most important position on the team.

There was always going to be a chance that this goaltending situation wasnt going to work out. What was his backup plan or is he flying by the seat of his pants

And thats not including Holl who has 1 point this year playing over 20 minutes a night. You know who else has 1 point this year Kyle f***ing Clifford.

How can dubas main man keefe justify robertson ice time last night. Less than 6 minutes. How can he improve with that ice time.

Dubas and his buddy keefe have to go
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I stopped reading after you said Ottawa couldn't sign players without moving Murray. With a 23-man roster and Murray, they have almost 4 million in cap space, assuming the rest was not factually correct.
 
I like Dubas and think hes good and think its a player issue... but after 7 years with this core and 4/5 years with Dubas in charge.... he hasn't made a significant trade to improve the team and I dont think he will ever trade anyone of them. so ultimately he has to go...

and Keefe is stubborn to split Matthews and Marner, bench Holl and play the players who are playing well more than the core that isn't playing well.

Then Shanny is pushing the same narrative so he goes too
 
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koyvoo said:
Literally anyone who has ever played this sport at a competitive level for a few years could do better.

It’s no different than any other trade. Someone can listen to music for 40,50,60 years. Start to actually play an instrument and your level of understanding of music increases tenfold.

Perhaps there aren’t A+ candidates available at the moment, but better than Dubas? Literally thousands upon thousands of former pro players would be better.
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It is amazing someone can say something so crazy with such confidence.
 
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notbias said:
It is amazing someone can say something so crazy with such confidence.
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Name me any one trade or profession where someone wouldn’t gain a huge amount of acumen by actually spending time applying the skills of said trade or profession as opposed to just studying it.
 
koyvoo said:
Name me any one trade or profession where someone wouldn’t gain a huge amount of acumen by actually spending time applying the skills of said trade or profession as opposed to just studying it.
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Are you saying playing hockey gives you more knowledge of how to be a GM than being a GM?
 
notbias said:
Are you saying playing hockey gives you more knowledge of how to be a GM than being a GM?
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Nice way to avoid the specific question i asked you, but I’ll answer yours anyhow.

If you’re looking at the building a functional, competitive hockey team, sure. How could it not. Literally how could it not add an element of understanding that is not there otherwise.
 
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HockeyVirus said:
So my thread gets crickets. Exactly as I thought...
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It got crickets because it deserved crickets. I’m not a Leaf fan but am humored you think if it’s not a popular name (that’s clearly what you’re looking for) they won’t do a good job.
I see some good up and coming teams that look to have passed the Leafs by. How do you know an assistant GM for one of those teams isn’t the perfect choice?
 
notbias said:
I stopped reading after you said Ottawa couldn't sign players without moving Murray. With a 23-man roster and Murray, they have almost 4 million in cap space, assuming the rest was not factually correct.
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Batherson isnt signed yet
Free up money for Free agency
All kinds of things they could use murrays money for

You must be one if the dubes fanboys that think it was a good idea to pin all your playoff hopes on a goalie that no one else wanted, couldnt stay healthfor the ladt three years and when healthy shit the bed.
Git a backup that hasnt even one that spot on the capitals lol

But yeah you can stop reading because our goaltending sucked last year and is progressively worse this year
 
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