Question for the fire Dubas crowd, who is available that is an upgrade and isn't inexperienced?

[egd27]

GM's don't usually get hired mid season, so you'd have to have Brendan Shanahan come down on his perch and work with some kind of associate GM to get through the season and then initiate a full on search.

Seems to make more sense to just put restrictions on Dubas, have him manage through the lame duck season and run out his contract and do a more thorough search in the summer.

They have 4 AGM's, a special assistant to the GM, and a Sr Advisor all on the current payroll. Plenty of short term help while the search is being conducted

 

[PromisedLand]

to the OP; I am Available for the Job. Only way Leafs find any success

 

[PROUD PAPA]

And interim GM would be a waste of time in this situation since obviously we wouldn't want them making any major trades regardless.

The problem with making a full GM change mid-season is that there's going to be almost no major candidates available.

Most guys will be currently under contract and likely not allowed to move on to something else until the end of the playoffs (especially if the Leafs opt to poach another teams assistant GM). Otherwise you're dependent on the current crop of unemployed people, which isn't a particularly strong group at the moment.

The question of who will be the GM for the leafs in 2023-4 will need to be settled whatever the Leafs playoffs ends. Be at a continuation of Dubas or a brand new front office

You wouldn't happen to know if there is a site that lists the other lame ducks that might be available in the offseason do you, or does anyone else know?
It would be interesting to see what options may potentially be available.

 

[egd27]

We could win the cup this year and this crowd would be like "Would have been our 4th in a row if not for Dubas"

No, it really wouldn't

 

[hotpaws]

We could win the cup this year and this crowd would be like "Would have been our 4th in a row if not for Dubas"

more like

-Dubas trades the 1st
-Team misses the playoffs
-Pick winds up top 3

Dubie's fans attack on mass that he should be extended

sounds strange ? nope it happened with Burke , lol

 

[notDatsyuk]

I mean shit the dude is obsessed with trying to change hockey

Even look at this preseason.

We're going to have marner at D

Two weeks ago

We're going to play 4 forwards and no goalie in OT

Last year we were going to play 3 D and 2 FWs

We should probably try to win something before we attempt to change hockey.

Just go with wickenheiser at least she has won shit

To be fair, Imlach occasionally started five D to set a physical tone.

 

[Gilmour1996]

For the Leafs braintrust, this isn't about winning anyway. It's an organization where the mantra from the top is "presenting the appearance that you are doing the politically correct thing" while avoiding controversy and still making money.

 

[rocketman588]

Whoa damn, thats a sensitive question.

They dont speak of it. They just want this young piece of shit with glasses to be fired because he already achieved more by age 35 than they ever will in their life.

They have no alternative though. But who cares? Unemployed Dumbass would be the best thing ever!!

There are plenty of options mentioned in this thread.

Unfortunately it was made with discounting those because we ride with the church of dubas

 

[Lemontree]

At least with the fire Keefe crowd they have Trotz to hold up as the alternative. But say you fire Dubas, who are you bringing in to make franchise altering changes and trading away prime aged star assets? You can't say "ANYONE" because that is a cop out, we all know there are MUCH worse options out there than Dubas. Image hiring an Milbury who trades Matthews for a ham sandwhich.

So who is it? Personally I don't see any names out there better than Dubas.

That's not how you run a business. Once an employee has shown inability to perform their job at a competent level, you have the following choices: allocate more resources (mainly time) to continue the training if you believe there is a reasonable chance the employee can grow and provide value or you cut your losses, fire the employee and start the replacement process.

Kyle Dubas doesn't need anymore on the job training, that notion saved him early in his career from the criticism others would have faced by being the GM of the Leafs. Kyle Dubas has run out of "training credits", he is bad at the job mainly due to the fact that he has no idea how to construct a winning team and isn't particularly good at player evaluation, especially when it comes to pro players.

 

[Menzinger]

You wouldn't happen to know if there is a site that lists the other lame ducks that might be available in the offseason do you, or does anyone else know?
It would be interesting to see what options may potentially be available.

Someone posted an article on one of the threads here that had a list of the likely "next generation" of GMs and coaches. If I come across it again I'll repost it. I don't believe there's any site that a actively tracks them though.

From what I've seen some of the more promising names mentioned are some of the Avs and Bolts AGMs. Have also seen the Leafs own Brendan Pridham brought up, as with the broadcaster Kevin Weekes whose allegedly considering jumping out of the media into front office work.

 

[Gabriel426]

Mike Gillis had some good drafts if I recall but was terrible with everything else

He did a team that won back to back President Trophy(I think) and made it to the Cup Finals.

 

[ACC1224]

Whoa damn, thats a sensitive question.

They dont speak of it. They just want this young piece of shit with glasses to be fired because he already achieved more by age 35 than they ever will in their life.

They have no alternative though. But who cares? Unemployed Dumbass would be the best thing ever!!

We could win the cup this year and this crowd would be like "Would have been our 4th in a row if not for Dubas"

That’s a couple pretty dumb posts. Strive to be better.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Someone posted an article on one of the threads here that had a list of the likely "next generation" of GMs and coaches. If I come across it again I'll repost it. I don't believe there's any site that a actively tracks them though.

From what I've seen some of the more promising names mentioned are some of the Avs and Bolts AGMs. Have also seen the Leafs own Brendan Pridham brought up, as with the broadcaster Kevin Weekes whose allegedly considering jumping out of the media into front office work.

Please do, i'd love to see it.
This team needs some significant change for the better. Probably in several areas, GM's coaches and even presidents don't normally cost any hockey assets to change out unless you're poaching then it's usually a pick.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

Mike Futa

 

[Puckstuff]

Nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is bad as it seems.

The good.

Top 6 forwards - Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Tavares, Bunting, Robertson, Kerfoot is as good as any top 7 in the entire NHL. The 4th line is very, very good as well. The bad is a few of them are out of form at the moment.

The defense: Liljegren, Giordano, Sandin all at 800 k and 1.4 million is just ridiculous surplus of value. Rielly at 7.5 and Brodie at 5 is also pretty decent value.

The goalie - Samsonov is looking like elite value. Even if he falls off a bit 1.8 million is very good value for this goalie. It's a low risk, medium to high return investment.

GM: I'll get to the bad after but Robertson, Bunting, Samsonov, Brodie, Sandin, Liljegren, Giordano were great decisions. This is where Dubas has done well.

The bad:

Muzzin: He is cooked and at 5.5 million we just cannot afford this type of liability.

Murray: The Murray trade was always high risk and it seems to be a massive liability to the team. Even if he turns out to be ok, it seems like we could have done better considering the risks.

Coaching: I don't think Keefe has done a very good job with adjusting when things are not working. His lineups are very questionable, doesn't seem to be able zoom out and see the big picture very well. In important games he gets out coached but his inability to find new line combinations that works is his biggest flaw. Also criticizing the team and not having the self awareness that Marner has been abused enough in this market is not wise. I know 80 % if you will disagree but knowing Marner's personality and the fact Marner takes a lot of physiological abuse on social media, putting this type of attention on the core players in this market in the 2nd game was just not smart in my opinion. I think this lost him the room and you're seeing the players don't want to play for him anymore after that day.

Defence: Lacks a physical D with no Muzzin or Lybushkin, we're a bit soft. We could really use a big hard hitting defensemen. Like really, really bad.

Bottom 6 - Engvall, Jarnkrok are below average 3rd liners if we're comparing them to teams with more depth which is more then half the league.

The GM - The GM goes into the good column and the bad column. For all the good he has done by bringing in cap friendly players like Bunting, Gio and finding great young cheap players like Lilly and Sandin he gives all that surplus value away by going out and taking on to much money on Murray.



Solution: LTIR Muzzin the rest of the season, Hire, Trotz. Big offer for Horvat. Big offer for Josh Morrisey. We have 1st round picks and a couple of good top prospects like Nimela, Knies, Steeves.


1. Bunting----Matthews----Marner
2 A - Horvat-----Tavares------Jarnkrok
2 B - Robertson—Kerfoot----Nylander
4. Aston-Reese--Kampf---Aube-Kubel



Rielly----Lillegren
Giordano-Brodie
Morrisey-Sandin



Samsonov

 

[centipede2233]

Man, I gotta laugh when I see people saying “dubASS” or “doobler” or whatever, and at the same time think that they’re so clever that they can run the Leafs better than they already are.

My cat would do a better job

 

[mikeyz]

Time to take a break from this place.

Can't imagine being this miserable/negative like many here.

This place is depressing.

Considering what this team has done, can you really blame them?

 

[yubbers]

It's cute watching so many see what was obvious 5 years ago.

 

[centipede2233]

It's cute watching so many see what was obvious 5 years ago.

Yeah no kidding. But MLSE seems to hire the wrong people over and over again. As much as shanahan and co. have been bad, why should I think MLSE will get the next hire right? It’s just one circus after another, JFJ, Burke, Nonis, Lou, Dubas and whoever else I missed. I just want the current management team fired because they come off as smug and they thing they are playing 4D chess. MLSE needs to lay the hammer down and give them a dose of reality.

side note: I was watching hockey central at noon when matthews just signed his 5 yr contract. Millard asked kyper who won the negotiation. Kyper replies “win (matthews) and win now (as matthews was in his last yr of his ELC).

 

[Go4soda]

no more guys learning on the job, please.

 

[Shooter2x]

I will argue that the bar isn't set high for what is considered good here, so this thread shouldn't even exist.

 

[Gallagbi]

Its not about resumes, its about fit. We hired on resume for Burke and Babs, neither worked out.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Watch your language guys, pretty sure HockeyVirus is Dubas' Grandma.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is bad as it seems.

The good.

Top 6 forwards - Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Tavares, Bunting, Robertson, Kerfoot is as good as any top 7 in the entire NHL. The 4th line is very, very good as well. The bad is a few of them are out of form at the moment.

The defense: Liljegren, Giordano, Sandin all at 800 k and 1.4 million is just ridiculous surplus of value. Rielly at 7.5 and Brodie at 5 is also pretty decent value.

The goalie - Samsonov is looking like elite value. Even if he falls off a bit 1.8 million is very good value for this goalie. It's a low risk, medium to high return investment.

GM: I'll get to the bad after but Robertson, Bunting, Samsonov, Brodie, Sandin, Liljegren, Giordano were great decisions. This is where Dubas has done well.

The bad:

Muzzin: He is cooked and at 5.5 million we just cannot afford this type of liability.

Murray: The Murray trade was always high risk and it seems to be a massive liability to the team. Even if he turns out to be ok, it seems like we could have done better considering the risks.

Coaching: I don't think Keefe has done a very good job with adjusting when things are not working. His lineups are very questionable, doesn't seem to be able zoom out and see the big picture very well. In important games he gets out coached but his inability to find new line combinations that works is his biggest flaw. Also criticizing the team and not having the self awareness that Marner has been abused enough in this market is not wise. I know 80 % if you will disagree but knowing Marner's personality and the fact Marner takes a lot of physiological abuse on social media, putting this type of attention on the core players in this market in the 2nd game was just not smart in my opinion. I think this lost him the room and you're seeing the players don't want to play for him anymore after that day.

Defence: Lacks a physical D with no Muzzin or Lybushkin, we're a bit soft. We could really use a big hard hitting defensemen. Like really, really bad.

Bottom 6 - Engvall, Jarnkrok are below average 3rd liners if we're comparing them to teams with more depth which is more then half the league.

The GM - The GM goes into the good column and the bad column. For all the good he has done by bringing in cap friendly players like Bunting, Gio and finding great young cheap players like Lilly and Sandin he gives all that surplus value away by going out and taking on to much money on Murray.

Bottom 6 - Engvall, Jarnkrok are below average 3rd liners if we're comparing them to teams with more depth which is more then half the league.

Solution: LTIR Muzzin the rest of the season, Hire, Trotz. Big offer for Horvat. Big offer for Josh Morrisey. We have 1st round picks and a couple of good top prospects like Nimela, Knies, Steeves.

1. Bunting----Matthews----Marner
2 A - Horvat-----Tavares------Jarnkrok
2 B - Robertson—Kerfoot----Nylander
4. Aston-Reese--Kampf---Aube-Kubel

Rielly----Lillegren
Giordano-Brodie
Morrisey-Sandin

Samsonov

Oh wow look, a thoughtful post. Nicely done! A refreshing change from the tiresome "Dubas sucks" and "anyone could do better" nonsense that has made this place borderline unreadable.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Oh wow look, a thoughtful post. Nicely done! A refreshing change from the tiresome "Dubas sucks" and "anyone could do better" nonsense that has made this place borderline unreadable.

it makes sense this place is borderline unreadable when the team is "not" borderline unwatchable.

team turns it around, the board will follow.