Value of: Puljujarvi

[beowulf]

I still can't figure what kind of career he will have. He is a lot better overall since his year and a bit back with Karpat but is still far from what most expected of him when taken 4th overall in 2016. He will be 24 in a month so he is kind of at that put-up or shut-up point of his career. Makes you wonder had the Oilers taken the likes of Sergachev or McAvoy how much further ahead would they be with a great puck moving dmen. And of course had they taken Tkachuk...with McDavid. ouch.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I still can't figure what kind of career he will have. He is a lot better overall since his year and a bit back with Karpat but is still far from what most expected of him when taken 4th overall in 2016. He will be 24 in a month so he is kind of at that put-up or shut-up point of his career. Makes you wonder had the Oilers taken the likes of Sergachev or McAvoy how much further ahead would they be with a great puck moving dmen. And of course had they taken Tkachuk...with McDavid. ouch.

If they had taken Tkachuk, things would be way different. They wouldn't have been able to sign Hyman and possibly not extended Nuge, and would be about to have a huge salary request out of a key player, so they might be on the verge of trading him anyway ha ha

 

[thadd]

Can't see Oilers trading Pulju. Most popular player on the team since Smyth.

He contributes way more than his points suggest which means his value is lower than his quality. Sign him long term.

Actually, you're probably wrong.
Yamamoto and McCloud bring a lot more to the table so Kane and Puljujarvi are most likely out in the off-season.
We need a goalie, an upgrade on the blueline and Holloway is most likely going to make the team next season.

 

[TFHockey]

There’s no way they’d be top5 if you changed a goalie.
There’s not enough depth or quality on defense for that

Have to disagree with you on this. The Oilers goaltending has really been inconsistent this year. Five more wins and they'd be tied for 4th pretty much tells you everything about this team. They are a couple of pieces away from being in the top five in the league. Unfortunately goaltending is the most glaring missing piece.

They do need some better defensemen. I've been saying that for years. But to be where they are with Koskinen at GAA of 3.10 and a SV% of .902 and Smith at 3.24 and .901 is pretty amazing.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

There’s no way they’d be top5 if you changed a goalie.
There’s not enough depth or quality on defense for that

We're 12th in the league and have a goal differential of +25 right now with .899 goaltending, nine points back of the Rangers, who are a horrific analytical team but they're buoyed by elite goaltending.

.908 goaltending would be about ~25 goals better for us. I don't think it's outlandish to say we'd be right in there with the Leafs and Rangers for borderline top 5 with better goaltending.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I still can't figure what kind of career he will have. He is a lot better overall since his year and a bit back with Karpat but is still far from what most expected of him when taken 4th overall in 2016. He will be 24 in a month so he is kind of at that put-up or shut-up point of his career. Makes you wonder had the Oilers taken the likes of Sergachev or McAvoy how much further ahead would they be with a great puck moving dmen. And of course had they taken Tkachuk...with McDavid. ouch.

Even in his draft year, Puljujarvi's upside was always going to be a 60-70 point winger with elite defence, and in my opinion that's where he's trending. He's got to work on his hands and his shot, but he's so good all over the ice. Honestly might be one of the best neutral zone players I've ever seen.

 

[mattihp]

Even in his draft year, Puljujarvi's upside was always going to be a 60-70 point winger with elite defence, and in my opinion that's where he's trending. He's got to work on his hands and his shot, but he's so good all over the ice. Honestly might be one of the best neutral zone players I've ever seen.

Neutral zone kings aren't always a commodity in the NHL. The neutral zone can be won with strategies and team play. Kinda why Jukka Hentunen never stuck in the NHL. He was legendary in the neutral zone but was barely an NHLer. Early Tomi Kallio was also a trooper in the neutral zone, didn't help him stick once concussions took away his play in the corners.

Puljujärvi's other skills will come more handy.

 

[russ99]

This thread is downright depressing. Puljujarvi has having a solid season. Produces at over a half a point per game playing on any of the top 3 forward lines and this is all coming from a guy who doesn't shoot the puck half as often as he should.

It's gonna cost no more than 3M to re-sign him and people here are suggesting the dumbest offers.
- Allen - A goalie who is at best a half decent back-up. Edmonton already has Smith signed through next year and Skinner is clearly knocking on the door.
- Georgiev - A 26 year old back-up who is fighting to keep his save % over 89 after 28 games. And this is with a solid team like the Rangers. How is anyone supposed to take Holland seriously if this is the goalie Edmonton goes out to nab? How do you not fire Holland over this? McDavid and Drai are in their prime, therefore the GM should make it look as if he's at least trying to make the team better so that the fans can at least fantasize going on a cup run.
- Gibson - He'll be 34 at the end of his contract, his cap hit sucks and he hasn't played well for years. Imagine you're Holland and having to explain taking on this contract. Doesn't matter... even if it's with 50 salary retained. How are you going to explain this to the media, the fanbase and the owner? And remember, if you provide a performance worthy of an Oscar, people will just assume that you've lost your mind and need to be fired.

You're forgetting Jesse's agent is a shark. $3M is a pipe dream.

 

[McFlash97]

There’s no way they’d be top5 if you changed a goalie.
There’s not enough depth or quality on defense for that

We were the best team in the league with above average goaltending at 16-5, then the goaltending fell off a cliff.

I am fairly confident we would be chasing down Florida with good goaltending this season.

I believe the Oilers along with Florida have the most 5 + goal games in the league this season. The Oilers are getting better as this season closes out and will be a 100 + point team with horseshit tending,

 

[elmaco]

Actually, you're probably wrong.
Yamamoto and McCloud bring a lot more to the table so Kane and Puljujarvi are most likely out in the off-season.
We need a goalie, an upgrade on the blueline and Holloway is most likely going to make the team next season.

I dont agree with this. Every stat there is, is telling otherwise.

 

[McSuper]

You keep using Blackwood being unvaccinated as a knock against him, you do realize this is incorrect right?
He's fully vaccinated, it just took him longer to do it

Already said as much in the Blackwood thread . He still has shit numbers and isn't worth anything of value .

 

[DingDongCharlie]

It would be a complicated package. Salary would need to go back to Anaheim as well. Kassian and Smith, or Barrie at minimum. I expect Verbeek wouldn't really want to take on that kind of salary, and Holland wouldn't find anyone to take those guys without salary coming back Edmonton's way.

Anaheim could use a guy like Kassian in their roster. He’s overpaid but if we where tabling an offer worthy of Anaheim moving Gibson taking Kassian isn’t going to stall a deal. Even a year of Smith at 2.1 half of which could be buried isn’t going to cost a major asset to move

 

[DingDongCharlie]

I still can't figure what kind of career he will have. He is a lot better overall since his year and a bit back with Karpat but is still far from what most expected of him when taken 4th overall in 2016. He will be 24 in a month so he is kind of at that put-up or shut-up point of his career. Makes you wonder had the Oilers taken the likes of Sergachev or McAvoy how much further ahead would they be with a great puck moving dmen. And of course had they taken Tkachuk...with McDavid. ouch.

We dodged a hail fire of bullets taking Puljujarvi. Had Columbus selected him as many thought he’d go we would have had the pick Montreal wanted to grab Dubois and the rumoured deal for Subban might have went down and if you look at what that was it would have completely destroyed the Oilers. Would have easily topped the Hall trade and Lucic signings for worst move of the decade.

If I remember correctly the ask was Draisaitl, 4ov and Nurse. Was reported Edmonton was out when Puljujarvi fell as the top 3 were seen as a tier above the next group of players. If Montreal walked the ask back and Puljujarvi was taken 3rd Draisaitl and Dubois would likely be Habs courtesy of Chiarelli.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Already said as much in the Blackwood thread . He still has shit numbers and isn't worth anything of value .

Oh the reason you said numerous times that he's an unvaccinated headcase is because he has shit numbers... I'm so stupid, can't believe I didn't put that together

 

[thadd]

I dont agree with this. Every stat there is, is telling otherwise.

You should try watching Puljujrvi, Kane, Yamamoto and Mccloud when the Oilers play. Could you try doing it right now.

You will see that Puljujarvi is a very 1 dimensional player compared to the others. The others contribute in all situations. Yamamoto got 2 shots on goal on Edmonton's first PK tonight and nobody batted and eyelash.

You're forgetting Jesse's agent is a shark. $3M is a pipe dream.

3M is pushing it. He had a good month where he was on fire before getting injured. IMO he needs more than that to break 3M. Regardless, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm kinda expecting to see him get traded.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You're forgetting Jesse's agent is a shark. $3M is a pipe dream.

Jesse has been no better than last year and his shark of an agent got him half of what many fans thought he would get. It cos very well be another short deal we are looking at with him.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Anaheim could use a guy like Kassian in their roster. He’s overpaid but if we where tabling an offer worthy of Anaheim moving Gibson taking Kassian isn’t going to stall a deal. Even a year of Smith at 2.1 half of which could be buried isn’t going to cost a major asset to move

1st round pick, Raphael Lavoie or Carter Savoie, Kassian and Smith for Gibson is the most I would do. I offered Bourgault in a different thread but in hindsight I am not sure that I would trade him.

Not that it matters, Gibson has a NTC and we know what that means, ha ha.

 

[elmaco]

You should try watching Puljujrvi, Kane, Yamamoto and Mccloud when the Oilers play. Could you try doing it right now.

You will see that Puljujarvi is a very 1 dimensional player compared to the others. The others contribute in all situations. Yamamoto got 2 shots on goal on Edmonton's first PK tonight and nobody batted and eyelash.



3M is pushing it. He had a good month where he was on fire before getting injured. IMO he needs more than that to break 3M. Regardless, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm kinda expecting to see him get traded.

Yeah im gonna trust advanced stats rather than the eye test of thadd from HFBoards, thanks.

 

[McSuper]

Oh the reason you said numerous times that he's an unvaccinated headcase is because he has shit numbers... I'm so stupid, can't believe I didn't put that together

No he got shit numbers because he a head case . I knew he wasn't vaccinated at the beginning of the year . I see he final got the jab . No worries , he so good keep him .

 

[russ99]

Yeah im gonna trust advanced stats rather than the eye test of thadd from HFBoards, thanks.

This is the big disconnect with Puljujarvi.

Fancies say he's great, but how much of that is making many good plays in transition to increase overall possession time, overall higher shot counts, and eventually goals while playing with one of the two best players in the league most of the time.

I don't see him making a lot of plays that lead to goals, he's adequate in the cycle, fairly weak on the boards, and other than being a big body in the crease looks completely lost when it comes to scoring chances and setting up teammates.

If you compare Puljujarvi and Yamamoto when both played on the first line, Yamamoto is much more engaged in working with linemates and active with purpose in scoring areas. Also compare how Kane and McDavid play off each other and how Puljujarvi plays with each of them.

How much of this is the usual stat-oriented biases towards rush offense, where Pujujarvi seems a little better overall than in the cycle? Seems to me Puljujarvi is very good at areas where he can be a big guy who can skate and disrupt opposition and push forward possession but not very good at finesse plays which lead to numbers on the scoreboard.

 

[thadd]

Yeah im gonna trust advanced stats rather than the eye test of thadd from HFBoards, thanks.

WTH are you even talking about?
You don't even watch the Oilers games?
How can you even have an opinion?

 

[ElPrimeTime]

I love me some JP. He does a lot of good things, but there is also a lot of things that he has to work on. I hate advanced stats, but the eye test shows he can play well with McDavid, Drai and Nuge. Will he ever be a true top line winger, probably not. Could he play a Chris Kunitz type role? Absolutely.

Considering his age, if he can be locked in long term at a reasonable rate and work on things like shooting and actually being more selfish, there is no reason why he can't be a solid top 6 winger for a long time.

 

[Macheteops]

You're forgetting Jesse's agent is a shark. $3M is a pipe dream.

More then 3m I d be walin

Yeah im gonna trust advanced stats rather than the eye test of thadd from HFBoards, thanks.

Well you’ll be wrong. He’s a third liner with his skill set. I’d take Kane, McLeod and Yams over him without a second thought

 

[ChaoticOrange]

You should try watching Puljujrvi, Kane, Yamamoto and Mccloud when the Oilers play. Could you try doing it right now.

You will see that Puljujarvi is a very 1 dimensional player compared to the others. The others contribute in all situations. Yamamoto got 2 shots on goal on Edmonton's first PK tonight and nobody batted and eyelash.



3M is pushing it. He had a good month where he was on fire before getting injured. IMO he needs more than that to break 3M. Regardless, I don't think it's a big deal. I'm kinda expecting to see him get traded.

This is a hellaciously bad take, my dude.

 

[OG Eberle]

had a deal no longer available
don't remember exactly but it was something like
max retained expiring Strome + max retained rfa Geo + NYR 2022 4th pick
for
expiring Kosk + rfa Pulj + better but delayed pick [2023 3rd or something like that]

of course this was roundly pilloried by EDM fans despite cap relief, immediate help for this yrs run, fact that Kosk is worth zero, etc

NY has since upgraded its bottom 6 and will have problems signing them. IF VERY LUCKY we can juggle for Copp + Vatrano, maybe. Motte is a goner. No way to add Pulj.

Geo rfa can be had for a pick no salary back after the season
this is league wide, best offer grabs him

Do you just have a list of the same recycled 4-5 players you want to pawn off with midling picks in order to acquire another teams desirable players?

I swear every deal you propose has the same players with random ass picks attached to justify acquiring studs.