Value of: Puljujarvi

ChaoticOrange

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More wins than Colorado if Edm has an average goalie... Ok

Best team in the league was obviously an exaggeration by that poster, but there's definitely an argument to be made that we'd be top 5.

Edmonton with five more wins would have 95 points, good for tied for 4th in the NHL, and I assure you our goaltending has easily bungled away five wins.
 

crazyfisherman

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Best team in the league was obviously an exaggeration by that poster, but there's definitely an argument to be made that we'd be top 5.

Edmonton with five more wins would have 95 points, good for tied for 4th in the NHL, and I assure you our goaltending has easily bungled away five wins.
That is while ignoring games where the goalies mightve stole, it isnt just a simple add. I fail to see how that D corp can be a top 4 team.
 

ChaoticOrange

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That is while ignoring games where the goalies mightve stole, it isnt just a simple add. I fail to see how that D corp can be a top 4 team.
I remember one game stolen by a goalie this year from us. Seriously. If you're not a fan of the team you really don't have an idea of how poor our netminding has been this year.
 

crazyfisherman

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I remember one game stolen by a goalie this year from us. Seriously. If you're not a fan of the team you really don't have an idea of how poor our netminding has been this year.
Ive seen how poor your D is as well, calgary has a much better tandem than rn than the last mike sieve year, how much better is their record? First 2 calgary game alone can be categorized as stolen games
 

Larry Hanson

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I remember one game stolen by a goalie this year from us. Seriously. If you're not a fan of the team you really don't have an idea of how poor our netminding has been this year.
Pretty sure there have been more than one.
The first one that popped in my head was this one
Unless that is the game you were thinking of.

Also, there have been a bunch of games where the goaltending was blamed but the team was giving up odd man rushes and wide open shots in front of the net a lot. To their credit they have been playing a hell of a lot better lately but earlier in the season was an extremely poor defensive effort from the team, left the goalies out to dry.
 

HugeInTheShire

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The problem with Blackwood is he is a head case and unvaccinated which is a problem in Canada . Kassian and a 3rd in 2023 is he best I would do and NJD rightfully refuses that . Kassian is also the big physical Rw that has put up points with a skilled centre .

You keep using Blackwood being unvaccinated as a knock against him, you do realize this is incorrect right?
He's fully vaccinated, it just took him longer to do it
 

thadd

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This thread is downright depressing. Puljujarvi has having a solid season. Produces at over a half a point per game playing on any of the top 3 forward lines and this is all coming from a guy who doesn't shoot the puck half as often as he should.

It's gonna cost no more than 3M to re-sign him and people here are suggesting the dumbest offers.
- Allen - A goalie who is at best a half decent back-up. Edmonton already has Smith signed through next year and Skinner is clearly knocking on the door.
- Georgiev - A 26 year old back-up who is fighting to keep his save % over 89 after 28 games. And this is with a solid team like the Rangers. How is anyone supposed to take Holland seriously if this is the goalie Edmonton goes out to nab? How do you not fire Holland over this? McDavid and Drai are in their prime, therefore the GM should make it look as if he's at least trying to make the team better so that the fans can at least fantasize going on a cup run.
- Gibson - He'll be 34 at the end of his contract, his cap hit sucks and he hasn't played well for years. Imagine you're Holland and having to explain taking on this contract. Doesn't matter... even if it's with 50 salary retained. How are you going to explain this to the media, the fanbase and the owner? And remember, if you provide a performance worthy of an Oscar, people will just assume that you've lost your mind and need to be fired.
 
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elmaco

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This thread is downright depressing. Puljujarvi has having a solid season. Produces at over a half a point per game playing on any of the top 3 forward lines and this is all coming from a guy who doesn't shoot the puck half as often as he should.

It's gonna cost no more than 3M to re-sign him and people here are suggesting the dumbest offers.
- Allen - A goalie who is at best a half decent back-up. Edmonton already has Smith signed through next year and Skinner is clearly knocking on the door.
- Georgiev - A 26 year old back-up who is fighting to keep his save % over 89 after 28 games. And this is with a solid team like the Rangers. How is anyone supposed to take Holland seriously if this is the goalie Edmonton goes out to nab? How do you not fire Holland over this? McDavid and Drai are in their prime, therefore the GM should make it look as if he's at least trying to make the team better so that the fans can at least fantasize going on a cup run.
- Gibson - He'll be 34 at the end of his contract, his cap hit sucks and he hasn't played well for years. Imagine you're Holland and having to explain taking on this contract. Doesn't matter... even if it's with 50 salary retained. How are you going to explain this to the media, the fanbase and the owner? And remember, if you provide a performance worthy of an Oscar, people will just assume that you've lost your mind and need to be fired.
Welcome to HFBoards.
 

ManofSteel55

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I could see Jesse going to the Ducks in a package for Gibson.
It would be a complicated package. Salary would need to go back to Anaheim as well. Kassian and Smith, or Barrie at minimum. I expect Verbeek wouldn't really want to take on that kind of salary, and Holland wouldn't find anyone to take those guys without salary coming back Edmonton's way.
 

crazyfisherman

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Every single defenseman on the Oilers is massively underrated on HF, with fools saying things like "Nurse is a #4 and nobody else would make a contenders top six".
I have em at a 2 or low 1 and a bunch of 5/6, idk if thats underrating but i see it as one of the worst in amongst playoff teams
 

Chayos

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I have em at a 2 or low 1 and a bunch of 5/6, idk if thats underrating but i see it as one of the worst in amongst playoff teams
Nurse is a high number 2 lower number one level d-man who fills the Horse slot all GM's and Coaches love to have. This can't be overstated as he has been playing the minute muncher role since Junior. Ceci is a 3, Bouchard is a 4 the rest are 5-6 defencemen.

Your description of our defence is close to accurate and we do need upgrades, This will be a problem in the playoffs against good teams. The lack of a goaltender compounds this problem. The thing is the oilers have an ability to outscore their problems and that is their not so secret weapon.
 

ManofSteel55

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I have em at a 2 or low 1 and a bunch of 5/6, idk if thats underrating but i see it as one of the worst in amongst playoff teams
I'm fine if someone has Nurse at a low 1 or high 2. I probably wouldn't even argue if someone just said he's ideally a number 2, because ideally you have a top 5 defenseman on your roster, and Nurse behind a guy like that would be amazing. I have some issues with you stating that the rest are 5/6, as I believe both Keith and Ceci have proven that this year, they are at worst an average middle pair. Ceci has even played well on the top pair for short stretches, although I wouldn't suggest he is a top pair defenseman. That leaves Bouchard, Kulak and Barrie. I wouldn't argue that they are more than bottom pair, although its too early to say much about the Barrie-Kulak pairing. Bouchard has some sophomore mistakes, so that's why I'm fine with calling him a 5/6 as well.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested that the Oilers have a great defense core this year. But I've heard and read people say they are bottom 5 in the league, and that I have an issue with. If we had a solid #2 to play beside Nurse, and had one physical shutdown guy instead of one of our many puckmovers, I think we would actually have a pretty good defense core. But we don't, we're missing that #2 guy.
 

ManofSteel55

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Nurse is a high number 2 lower number one level d-man who fills the Horse slot all GM's and Coaches love to have. This can't be overstated as he has been playing the minute muncher role since Junior. Ceci is a 3, Bouchard is a 4 the rest are 5-6 defencemen.

Your description of our defence is close to accurate and we do need upgrades, This will be a problem in the playoffs against good teams. The lack of a goaltender compounds this problem. The thing is the oilers have an ability to outscore their problems and that is their not so secret weapon.
We'll see if the Kulak /Barrie pairing keeps up with their high end play. That could be key moving into the playoffs. One of our biggest downfalls last year was that the coach couldn't trust our 3rd defense pair, and it burnt out the other guys.
 

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It is stupid seeing proposals for gibson which will never happen in real life. And why the hell do the oilers want gibson when the two hasbeens kosko and Smith have been better for the latter half of the season. For a minimal to no upgrade the oilers should dump a potential rw superstar. If oilers fanboys were the gm, this team would have traded draisaitl long ago for some crap like James Reimer or Matt Murray. Then realize it was no good. Then dump nurse and some firsts for a washed up Jonathan quick.
 
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OilerTitanFan

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I remember one game stolen by a goalie this year from us. Seriously. If you're not a fan of the team you really don't have an idea of how poor our netminding has been this year.
Better net minding than 70% of the teams in the league. Unfortunately we don't have a prime hasek or Roy in goal. You would be hard pressed to name 10 goalies that you would take ahead of koskinen so don't kid yourself. This is as good as you can get unless you dump McDavid for vasilevsky.
 

BB88

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Best team in the league was obviously an exaggeration by that poster, but there's definitely an argument to be made that we'd be top 5.

Edmonton with five more wins would have 95 points, good for tied for 4th in the NHL, and I assure you our goaltending has easily bungled away five wins.

There’s no way they’d be top5 if you changed a goalie.
There’s not enough depth or quality on defense for that
 

torniojaws

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He contributes way more than his points suggest which means his value is lower than his quality. Sign him long term.
There was a Finnish analysis on this, which noted that in Feb-Mar when Puljujärvi was injured, Edmonton only won 6 / 12 games, and when he came back they are 2nd in the league in wins during the period. The article talks about the team "points percentage" increasing from 54 % to 69 %, but they don't elaborate what they mean with that (scoring percentage? Team points percentage per game?). And after his return, in 5-on-5, Edmonton's goal difference is 10 to 1 (3rd best in the league), and apparently Puljujärvi leads the team in all advanced stats.

McD goal expectancy is 56 % without Pulju, and 63 % with Pulju. Drai is 47 % without Pulju and 57 % with Pulju. With Nuge, high danger shots rate is 47 % without Pulju and 74 % with Pulju.

Essentially, Pulju improves anyone he plays with, even if he himself doesn't rack up so many points. Starting to remind a bit of Jere Lehtinen, and if he can continue this path, the points will probably also follow.

 
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