Value of: Puljujarvi

[OilerTitanFan]

Something around Pulijujarvi and Gibson

Gibson sucks and is overrated. He is not worth a second round pick.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Gibson sucks and is overrated. He is not worth a second round pick.

Gibson was pretty good for the first half of the season. I don't think he sucks, as much as he's tired of playing for a team that sucks. Not sure what his value is, but the longer he sits in Anaheim and plays bad, the lower it will be. Certainly would only include Pulujarvi in a deal for Gibson if JP is asking to be paid a price we can't afford to pay. We'd need include more cap than that to get a deal moving, and I don't expect Anahiem wants to take on a Tyson Barrie given what they have on their blueline already.

 

[russ99]

Zero vaue with cap dumps attached. Oilers will overpay a ufa in the offseason.

Oilers haven't been able to sign a UFA goalie in two straight offseason, gonna have to be a trade.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers haven't been able to sign a UFA goalie in two straight offseason, gonna have to be a trade.

Not to mention there are few UFA options available, and other teams shopping for UFA goalies, like Toronto, probably New Jersey by the sound of it, Anaheim if they dump Gibson to someone else, and Colorado if Kuemper doesn't re-sign there. Who are we realistically going for in free agency? Jack Campbell, who is crashing and burning in Toronto this year? Half year wonder Ville Husso? Kuemper? Fleury? Holtby? You know who's next after that? Koskinen. The only ones available who are proven to be better than Koskinen are a near retirement Fleury who didn't want to come here at the deadline, half year Husso who had sub 900 save percentages everywhere until this year, and Kuemper. Which makes me think he will stay in Colorado.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I offer you one Jake Allen

 

[ManofSteel55]

I offer you one Jake Allen

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

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Hey a man's gotta try

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I offer you one Jake Allen

I offer you the NHL rights to Jenna Puljujarvi in exchange. (that's his sister)

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Something around Pulijujarvi and Gibson

Gibson's value is largely reputation based at this point. Hasn't posted over a .904 since 18-19.

 

[bernmeister]

I knew you would be beating that dead horse again.

The premise of Geo being an effective NHL starter rather than the less than effective NHL back-up that he actually is, is a foolish one. It’s not like he gets to play with better players. He’s not in that young developing goalie category.

It’s like the 25 year old 4th line/13th forward who is going to be a much more productive player if you play him 20 minutes a night rather than the 8 he’s earned… even though he would be tasked with playing those 20 minutes with the same 4th line guys.

Geo’s played in 28 games this year… he hasn’t looked good… and that’s putting it kindly.

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own set of facts if they contradict reality.
Geo has performed much better as a starter.
Oil chose not to go there and that's fine and we will see how far our teams go in the POs
But you do NOT get to dismiss he has 2 dif sets of #s as a starter w/reg work and when he plays the odd game in relief.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Gibson was pretty good for the first half of the season. I don't think he sucks, as much as he's tired of playing for a team that sucks. Not sure what his value is, but the longer he sits in Anaheim and plays bad, the lower it will be. Certainly would only include Pulujarvi in a deal for Gibson if JP is asking to be paid a price we can't afford to pay. We'd need include more cap than that to get a deal moving, and I don't expect Anahiem wants to take on a Tyson Barrie given what they have on their blueline already.

Barrie + Shatt on the back end would be pretty awful lol

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Gibson's value is largely reputation based at this point. Hasn't posted over a .904 since 18-19.

Eakins runs a pretty brutal dzone system... that leaves gibson out to dry all game long. It really isnt a big coincidence that Gibsons numbers dropped significantly when Eakins showed up

Gibsons skill is obviously still there, as shown in the 1st half of this season where he was likely in the vezina running.... problem is we heavily rely on him far to much, the team hardly sees the other teams zone, so hes constantly under pressure... and the team just flat out sucks so its prob hard for him to show up for the game let alone play up to his standards.

 

[bernmeister]

I would be surprised if Georgiev is in the NHL at all next year. Dude isn't an NHL goalie.

The flaw is assuming the Oilers would trade Koskinen to get a “starter” who isn’t as good in return.

If the ceiling is theoretically a guy's best game, I would put Geo's best game --- a total stonewall of the Canes --- vs whatever Kosk's is.
And the ironic thing is, it was a more recent game, not so much with the body of work as a starter. Howev, announcers advised that goalie guru Benny Allaire did extra work w/him directly to get some of the rust off.

The only way NHL teams will have interest in Geo, is if they can trade for the starter version that might be in there and leave the "pouts and plays like garbage when not starting" version at home. Unforatunately, that can't happen, so he'll likely be playing in Russia next year.

This is not a hard concept to understand. It is not "pouts [etc]" but the need to have regular work to stay sharp.
I would wager there will be one or more clubs that will give him a 1 yr show me deal with the promise of a full load for that yr. The Kraken come to mind, for starters. So don't bet the farm on what you expect as likely.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

No to Gibson on the Oilers. This Canucks fan does not approve.

 

[ManofSteel55]

If the ceiling is theoretically a guy's best game, I would put Geo's best game --- a total stonewall of the Canes --- vs whatever Kosk's is.
And the ironic thing is, it was a more recent game, not so much with the body of work as a starter. Howev, announcers advised that goalie guru Benny Allaire did extra work w/him directly to get some of the rust off.

This is not a hard concept to understand. It is not "pouts [etc]" but the need to have regular work to stay sharp.
I would wager there will be one or more clubs that will give him a 1 yr show me deal with the promise of a full load for that yr. The Kraken come to mind, for starters. So don't bet the farm on what you expect as likely.

What's the wager then? Which of the teams currently needing a starter do you think will give Georgiev a "show me" deal? The Kraken is an awful take, as they have 2 better goalies already.

 

[Seachd]

If the ceiling is theoretically a guy's best game, I would put Geo's best game --- a total stonewall of the Canes --- vs whatever Kosk's is.
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Really weird way to look at it, but I’ll sleep better finally knowing that Ben Scrivens had one of the highest ceilings of all time.

 

[zar]

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own set of facts if they contradict reality.
Geo has performed much better as a starter.
Oil chose not to go there and that's fine and we will see how far our teams go in the POs
But you do NOT get to dismiss he has 2 dif sets of #s as a starter w/reg work and when he plays the odd game in relief.

That’s like me saying Mike Smith is a Vezina quality goaltender… you just have to make sure you play him more than 42 games, since every season where he’s played more than 42 games his Sv% is .930, .915, .904, .914, .916 and .923.

Maybe there some ground breaking direct correlation where; when a goalie is playing better, he gets more starts. That might be way too logical, but I think I’m on to something here.

 

[IIxGURUxII]

If the ceiling is theoretically a guy's best game, I would put Geo's best game --- a total stonewall of the Canes --- vs whatever Kosk's is.
And the ironic thing is, it was a more recent game, not so much with the body of work as a starter. Howev, announcers advised that goalie guru Benny Allaire did extra work w/him directly to get some of the rust off.

This is not a hard concept to understand. It is not "pouts [etc]" but the need to have regular work to stay sharp.
I would wager there will be one or more clubs that will give him a 1 yr show me deal with the promise of a full load for that yr. The Kraken come to mind, for starters. So don't bet the farm on what you expect as likely.

Bern.. the math does not support your argument.. your argument is flawed. If you firmly believe this is the case you need to start to back it up with figures .

 

[McSuper]

I’d rather take my chances with free agency than lose Puljujarvi, honestly. There aren’t many goalies I’d move him for. Not many at all.

I can appreciate that view . As I said in my OP he is not likely to be moved . Just wanted to see what would be offered . My bad . I been around like enough to know other fan bases will devalue anything the Oilers have . We get the double standard . Puljujarvi doesn't put up enough points . If he put up more points we would get there more to the game than points . Forget about the post you made showing everyone plays better with Pizza boy as he is only the product of McDavid . As I said my bad . I know better .

 

[McSuper]

I offer you one Jake Allen

Plus your first for Kassian . We fixed him for you that is worth a first .

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Bahahaha, Edm with avg goaltending is the best team in the league might be the funniest thing ive read in a while

Literally the only team in a playoff spot where both goalies are 900 or worse in SV percentage.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Oilers haven't been able to sign a UFA goalie in two straight offseason, gonna have to be a trade.

Was a mistake not giving Markstrom that extra year. He would have signed if we had was the rumour. UFA can be an option still. Will just have to overpay in cap hit or term. Depending on the goalie could be worth it. (Looks towards St.Louis)

 

[spaghtti]

If the ceiling is theoretically a guy's best game, I would put Geo's best game --- a total stonewall of the Canes --- vs whatever Kosk's is.
And the ironic thing is, it was a more recent game, not so much with the body of work as a starter. Howev, announcers advised that goalie guru Benny Allaire did extra work w/him directly to get some of the rust off.

This is not a hard concept to understand. It is not "pouts [etc]" but the need to have regular work to stay sharp.
I would wager there will be one or more clubs that will give him a 1 yr show me deal with the promise of a full load for that yr. The Kraken come to mind, for starters. So don't bet the farm on what you expect as likely.

Once again why would Seattle want Geo? They have Grubauer for 6 years and Driedger for 3 more years. Geo won’t be a starter there so will probably have poor numbers as you have stated he needs the starts

 

[crazyfisherman]

Literally the only team in a playoff spot where both goalies are 900 or worse in SV percentage.

More wins than Colorado if Edm has an average goalie... Ok

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Eakins runs a pretty brutal dzone system... that leaves gibson out to dry all game long. It really isnt a big coincidence that Gibsons numbers dropped significantly when Eakins showed up

Gibsons skill is obviously still there, as shown in the 1st half of this season where he was likely in the vezina running.... problem is we heavily rely on him far to much, the team hardly sees the other teams zone, so hes constantly under pressure... and the team just flat out sucks so its prob hard for him to show up for the game let alone play up to his standards.

We're quite familiar with Eakins' "system" unfortunately.

It has to be draining on a guy like Gibson that wants to win but knows Anaheim is probably a couple years away from playoff contention. That said, it's going to take a team with a long history of making goalies better to turn his game around, and quite frankly that's not even remotely us.