Proposal: Puljujärvi for Trouba

[Snowman]

That's very debatable and you said it right there, Trouba will get a big contract so that right there makes his value lower than Larsson's since Larsson is signed to a steal of a long term contract so stating that the price for Trouba's RFA rights is to the level of Hall+ is laughable.

You may not like it since you paid such a high price to get Larsson, but it's not debatable. Trouba is better.

A big contract does not make him less valuable. If we decided to trade him, teams will ALWAYS pay for quality.

 

[Aceboogie]

Dear Entire HF Community:


This is Public Service Announcement

Although the entire Jets fan base has enjoyed and laughed at the 2000+ trade proposals for Trouba during the off-season we are in fact growing tired. Unfortunately like all good things these proposal threads need to come to an end. As such we would like to officially, state the following non-requirements of the organization should in the future any HF's decide to send out a mindless trade proposal for Trouba;

WE DO NOT NEED or WANT any of the following;

1. prospects
2. forwards unless they are Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin etc etc. you get the drift
3. Spare parts in any quantity (Quality over quantity)
4. Any trades involving Toronto (or proposals henceforth)

Feel free to flame away and argue that Trouba won't sign is over valued etc etc (I've read it all and then some over and over). Unless you have a credible source and link any talk that he won't sign here is ENTIRELY based on speculation considering no comments have come from either negotiating side. The Answer to any proposal not involving a D man of value is fruitless and quite frankly the joke is over now.

Signed

EVERY JETS FAN

Omg this post is getting shredded on twitter lmao

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Sekera + Pulju for Trouba + a forward or 2 . RW is what we would need

Yeah if Trouba is going to Edmonton, I seriously doubt that Cheveldayoff would be asking for Sekera in return. Have to think either Klefbom or Nurse would be the return for the Oilers.

 

[Stuzchuk]

add Nurse and WPG could consider (with a + to Trouba)

 

[CupofOil]

You may not like it since you paid such a high price to get Larsson, but it's not debatable. Trouba is better.


A big contract does not make him less valuable. If we decided to trade him, teams will ALWAYS pay for quality.

Based on?

And yes, Larsson locked up at $4M for the next 5 years is more valuable than Trouba without a contract and looking to get paid well more than that $4M number.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

4 team 3 Way:
(Rangers) McD + for Trouba + (Jets)

(Rangers) Trouba for Reinhart (Sabres)

(Sabres) Ristolainen for Draisatil + (Oilers)

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NYR then flips
Stepan + three 3rds to Canes for Pesce, Murphy, and three 2nds

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additional deals to move Staal's NMC

consolidate vets into youth, picks

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Jets get needed LD, older, but sweetheart deal 3 years w/chance to extend

Sabes get replacement 1RD, supposedly he is tight with Eichel?

Risto = Draisatil, great for C, but could also power W

Canes get a top 20 C.

Yeah these deals would never happen end of story.

 

[X66]

Trouba isn't worth that return.

 

[Snowman]

Based on?

And yes, Larsson locked up at $4M for the next 5 years is more valuable than Trouba without a contract and looking to get paid well more than that.

Just keep believing that, if it helps you feel better.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Dear Entire HF Community:


This is Public Service Announcement

Although the entire Jets fan base has enjoyed and laughed at the 2000+ trade proposals for Trouba during the off-season we are in fact growing tired. Unfortunately like all good things these proposal threads need to come to an end. As such we would like to officially, state the following non-requirements of the organization should in the future any HF's decide to send out a mindless trade proposal for Trouba;

WE DO NOT NEED or WANT any of the following;

1. prospects
2. forwards unless they are Crosby, Stamkos, Ovechkin etc etc. you get the drift
3. Spare parts in any quantity (Quality over quantity)
4. Any trades involving Toronto (or proposals henceforth)

Feel free to flame away and argue that Trouba won't sign is over valued etc etc (I've read it all and then some over and over). Unless you have a credible source and link any talk that he won't sign here is ENTIRELY based on speculation considering no comments have come from either negotiating side. The Answer to any proposal not involving a D man of value is fruitless and quite frankly the joke is over now.

Signed

EVERY JETS FAN

Haha love it this is so true, Trouba will be resigned and staying in Winnipeg for awhile that Waters guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Archangel]

Puljujärvi for Trouba 1 for 1.

I am excited to see Puljujärvi play however addinf Trouba fixes Oilers D for the next 8 years.

oilers would need to add something like a first or Nurse

 

[Aceboogie]

Serious question? Has there been any reports Trouba and Jets are remotely close to a deal? Ive seen about 3-4 sources (TSN, sportsnet etc) that have them far apart at min. Latest report is that Trouba doesnt want to be in Winnipeg and just asking for an absurd amount to either get grossly overpaid or traded

 

[Gump Hasek]

Serious question? Has there been any reports Trouba and Jets are remotely close to a deal? Ive seen about 3-4 sources (TSN, sportsnet etc) that have them far apart at min. Latest report is that Trouba doesnt want to be in Winnipeg and just asking for an absurd amount to either get grossly overpaid or traded

That report was clarified and revised to that they were "apart", not "far apart". The only person that has claimed Trouba wouldn't want to be here was 73 year old Bill Watters - a statement made when calling in from the retirement home. He has zero idea of Trouba's desires - considering that Chevy and Overhardt agreed to not negotiate in the press. Trouba himself stated he wants to play for the Jets at the exit interviews.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Serious question? Has there been any reports Trouba and Jets are remotely close to a deal? Ive seen about 3-4 sources (TSN, sportsnet etc) that have them far apart at min. Latest report is that Trouba doesnt want to be in Winnipeg and just asking for an absurd amount to either get grossly overpaid or traded

Watters was the only one as of right now, Saying that Trouba might want out of Winnipeg. There's no credible sources saying that he definitely wants out. So it's just mere speculation on Watters part because Trouba's agent Kurt Overhardt that's what he tends to do best with his clients get them out of dodge. But as of right now no one but Trouba his agent and Cheveldayoff truthfully know what Trouba wants.

 

[DRC]

Serious question? Has there been any reports Trouba and Jets are remotely close to a deal? Ive seen about 3-4 sources (TSN, sportsnet etc) that have them far apart at min. Latest report is that Trouba doesnt want to be in Winnipeg and just asking for an absurd amount to either get grossly overpaid or traded

Lol pure speculation. Chevy keeps his deals under wraps. I believe a deal will be done.

 

[Saitama]

my lord this is ridiculously far-fetched and overly-complicated...and just bad...

It's Bernmeister, what do you expect?

 

[CaptainChef]

Based on?

And yes, Larsson locked up at $4M for the next 5 years is more valuable than Trouba without a contract and looking to get paid well more than that $4M number.

Advanced stats suggest that Trouba is >>> better than Larsson (Trouba 54th best CF% of Defencemen over last two years at 53% ... vs Larsson 274th at 45.8%).

What measure are you going by to suggest they are even close?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...fense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

 

[Ranksu]

I actually sort of disagree, I don't think they fit as well together as people want to believe.

Same.

I think Aho - Pulju or Aho - Laine would be far better duo then Laine - Pulju.

 

[CupofOil]

Advanced stats suggest that Trouba is >>> better than Larsson (Trouba 54th best CF% of Defencemen over last two years at 53% ... vs Larsson 274th at 45.8%).

What measure are you going by to suggest they are even close?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...fense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Larsson also played some of the toughest minutes in the league lining up against top forwards every game while getting a huge defensive zone push.
I'd say they are about on equal footing right now. Both are #2/#3 Dmen with potential for more. Larsson is better defensively, Trouba has more offensive upside. Larsson had the benefit of playing with a more stable D partner so that's in favor of Trouba.

The difference in value and why the Hall level return for Trouba is delusional is because Larsson is locked into a good value long term contract while Trouba is uncertain and will almost certainly get a big contract.

Just keep believing that, if it helps you feel better.

Solid rebuttal

 

[Hunter368]

Winger isn't ideal, but if forced to take the bpa, it's not a horrible idea. This offer is better Fowler offers.

 

[A91]

Can't do it, as nice as Trouba would be Jese would be nicer

 

[Legend123]

Complete rebuild? Do explain

I mean completing the rebuild. Pulji would do wonders. Jets imo are like 3 years away from competing.

 

[Seachd]

Trouba isn't worth that return.

Yep, value doesn't seem there for Edmonton.

 

[DRC]

I mean completing the rebuild. Pulji would do wonders. Jets imo are like 3 years away from competing.

You don't think Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Perreault and Wheeler are good enough top 6 wingers moving forward? Not to mention Petan, Armia, Dano, Lemieux, De Leo etc. are fighting for bottom 6. I think forward wise we're pretty good on this build.

 

[Aceboogie]

Advanced stats suggest that Trouba is >>> better than Larsson (Trouba 54th best CF% of Defencemen over last two years at 53% ... vs Larsson 274th at 45.8%).

What measure are you going by to suggest they are even close?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...fense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Lmao. Trouba plays 4th toughest minutes on Winny and ranks 3rd for corsirel. Also has 50% zone starts. Larsson played 2nd toughest mins on NJ (but 1st pairing with partner being #1) and 30% zone starts and played amongst the toughest comp in the entire

I mean you were smart enough to find a advanced stats website and sort of understand them, surely youd understand the effects of quality of comp? right? This is like understanding how to say a word but not understanding how to speak a sentence. You are half way there to understanding things

 

[A91]

Advanced stats suggest that Trouba is >>> better than Larsson (Trouba 54th best CF% of Defencemen over last two years at 53% ... vs Larsson 274th at 45.8%).

What measure are you going by to suggest they are even close?

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...fense&minutes=50&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Today I found out that Jakob Kindl is a top10 NHL Defender. Wonder why he hasn't won a Norris yet.
Maybe consider the quality of competition and defensive zone starts. Or just watch the player.