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GDT: PS #5 - 9/26/13 | New York Rangers @ Vancouver Canucks | 10:00 PM - MSG, NHL NET

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Just for these two games, Brassard, so Nash is slightly familiar with each of the contingencies should Stepan not work out with him.

As I've said, I think Richards should end up in a diminished role on the third line and 2nd power play, playing with Callahan and either Pyatt or Fasth. Brassard centering the second with Zuccarello and Pouliot. And Stepan with Hagelin and Nash on the top line. That's three lines with balanced offense. But for right now, you might as well try some stuff you're not planning on using first thing.
 
McSauer said:
Are these lines a joke?? Wow...
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Obligatory these lines are a joke post.

Proud of you HFNYR, already in midseason form.

Fitzy said:
Just for these two games, Brassard, so Nash is slightly familiar with each of the contingencies should Stepan not work out with him.

As I've said, I think Richards should end up in a diminished role on the third line and 2nd power play, playing with Callahan and either Pyatt or Fasth. Brassard centering the second with Zuccarello and Pouliot. And Stepan with Hagelin and Nash on the top line. That's three lines with balanced offense. But for right now, you might as well try some stuff you're not planning on using first thing.
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Brassard and Nash are better together here than they were in Columbus primarily because Brassard is a lot more engaged here. Obviously, Stepan is the best fit for Nash, then Brassard, then Richards.

It's kind of tiresome trying to find a place for these warn out centers to play, Richards on the third line is most likely but it irritates me because ideally you'd have a Miller or Lindberg there if ready. I think for Richards sake and that of the team him having a diminished role, whether he plays better this season or not will be best. Let him play fewer minutes with some high energy young guys.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Obligatory these lines are a joke post.

Proud of you HFNYR, already in midseason form.



Brassard and Nash are better together here than they were in Columbus primarily because Brassard is a lot more engaged here. Obviously, Stepan is the best fit for Nash, then Brassard, then Richards.

It's kind of tiresome trying to find a place for these warn out centers to play, Richards on the third line is most likely but it irritates me because ideally you'd have a Miller or Lindberg there if ready. I think for Richards sake and that of the team him having a diminished role, whether he plays better this season or not will be best. Let him play fewer minutes with some high energy young guys.
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I'm really fine with this. Don't put pressure on him to carry offense, at least not until he's shown that he's back.

I do want to see him running the powerplay. I want that to be his primary role, and I want him to ****ing own it.
 
We don't need so stankin' offense. Our full defense line up plus Henrik. Better keep this one 2 or less GA.
 
Man, Moore might have been a red flag defensively, but I can't wait to watch him again tonight. He was explosive offensively.
 
Blue Blooded said:
Richie and Zucc played well together last year, but everyone played better with Zucc so it may just be confirmation bias since they played together a lot.
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Zooks does seem to play well with everyone but why break up Zooks and Brass since they like playing with each other and they produce?
 
NickyFotiu said:
Zooks does seem to play well with everyone but why break up Zooks and Brass since they like playing with each other and they produce?
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Zucc and Brass are both complimentary guys. Great play makers and good hands, especially on Brass, but I feel like they should be separated to balance out the lines.
 
Right, when matched with finishers like Callahan, Nash, and to a lesser extent Stepan and Pouliot. Matching a playmaker with a finisher frequently works, but not always.
 
I like AV's concept of duo's, but I'm not entirely sold on the ones he picked. He's already seemingly given up on Richards-Nash, which is good and signals that he is open to change.

Nash should always be paired with Hagelin.

Callahan worked best with Stepan last year.

Richards worked best with Zuccarello.

Now Hagelin-Stepan-Nash was a crazy dominant line last year, so I'd like to keep them together. But if we are going by the duo concept Callahan really seems to need Stepan at his side to succeed 5v5.

Which leaves us:

Hagelin-X-Nash
X-Stepan-Callahan
X-Richards-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

I'd fill it in thusly:

Hagelin-Brassard-Nash
Miller-Stepan-Callahan
Pouliot-Richards-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett
 
Interested in seeing Nash with Brass and Pouliot tonight. Good to have a look at Nash with another center.

With Miller in tonight, I want Kreider in tomorrow. I hope this isn't another thing like Tortorella with Avery and Christensen a couple of years back. At the very least, give Kreider one more game to try and prove he can stick.
 
I rip on Brassard's defense but if you have Richards playing with Zuccarello the third guy on that line needs to be mobile and smart defensively. That leaves pretty much Hagelin, maybe Powe.
 
Fitzy said:
I rip on Brassard's defense but if you have Richards playing with Zuccarello the third guy on that line needs to be mobile and smart defensively. That leaves pretty much Hagelin, maybe Powe.
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Zuccarello is actually excellent defensively. Maybe not when the opposition has set up in the offensive zone, but he is good on the back-check and at limiting scoring chances.

He has the best GA/20 rate of all Ranger forwards over the past three seasons and the best CA/20 as well. There is a reason he was +10 in only 15 games last year.

I'd have little qualms over a Pouliot-Richards-Zuccarello line.
 
silverfish said:
Interested in seeing Nash with Brass and Pouliot tonight. Good to have a look at Nash with another center.

With Miller in tonight, I want Kreider in tomorrow. I hope this isn't another thing like Tortorella with Avery and Christensen a couple of years back. At the very least, give Kreider one more game to try and prove he can stick.
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I think because Kreider played a back to back he was gonna get the day off anyway. Unless Kreider stinks it up tomorrow he will eb in the opening day lineup.
 
Or we could have this

Gaborik Stepan Callahan
Zucc Richards Hagelin
Dubinsky Anisimov Pyatt/Miller
Boyle Moore Powe/Asham

McDonut Giradi
Staal Del Zotto
Erikson Strahlman

Did these Columbus trades make us better or worse?
 
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Blue Blooded said:
Zuccarello is actually excellent defensively. Maybe not when the opposition has set up in the offensive zone, but he is good on the back-check and at limiting scoring chances.

He has the best GA/20 rate of all Ranger forwards over the past three seasons and the best CA/20 as well. There is a reason he was +10 in only 15 games last year.

I'd have little qualms over a Pouliot-Richards-Zuccarello line.
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You'll find that has a lot more to do with the situations he was in, rather than his actual ability. I work in Economics, and in a field of Economics that is at constant ends with mathematical Econometricians who think they can use statistics as absolute fact and as a predicting medium, so believe me when I say I know how to pick apart arguments such as this.

First, Zucc had a very small sample size of games last season.
Second, his minutes were not him alone, but Mats and 4 other Rangers on the ice. He spent no time on the penalty kill.
Third, plus minus is garbage, 9 times out of ten.
Fourth, effort on the backcheck does not constitute defensive prowess.

I could go on, but it would become mildly redundant at a point.
 
Fitzy said:
I rip on Brassard's defense but if you have Richards playing with Zuccarello the third guy on that line needs to be mobile and smart defensively. That leaves pretty much Hagelin, maybe Powe.
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I would have said the same, but that Pyatt-Richards-Zuccarello line was very good down the stretch last year. I like that line, in a sense. Pyatt won't be on the roster when everyone is healthy, though, so it's a bit of a moot point.
 
Forgot that Setito was on the Nucks. Always interesting to play against. Could see he and Dorset have a go tonight.


On a side note. Pop ups are really getting annoying here. Especially when using an iPad. HF should have a non-annoyance pop up policy in place. It's getting ridiculous!
 
One thing to remember is that how little Pyatt should fit AV's up temp system, not only did Pyatt pay extensively and score many goals under AV, but Dale Weise also survived there. So while I want to say that a guy like Powe is more likely to fit because of his speed and grit, coach and player do have a history together.

IMO Pyatt is a board play guy, pretty exclusively. That's a Torts kind of guy, as much as I like guys who can win board battles, Pouliot is faster and cheaper, I prefer him.
 
I don't care how you want to use stats to twist it, "excellent" is DEFINITELY not the word I'd use to describe Zuccarello's defensive game
 
Fitzy said:
One thing to remember is that how little Pyatt should fit AV's up temp system, not only did Pyatt pay extensively and score many goals under AV, but Dale Weise also survived there. So while I want to say that a guy like Powe is more likely to fit because of his speed and grit, coach and player do have a history together.

IMO Pyatt is a board play guy, pretty exclusively. That's a Torts kind of guy, as much as I like guys who can win board battles, Pouliot is faster and cheaper, I prefer him.
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Pyatt and Boyle are both Torts guys. Big guys who like to control the boards and grind down the oppositions defense. Not good fits. Asham and Powe are other ones.

Pouliot was a good signing. Same with MZA and Moore. They fit. Speed, some creativity, tenacity on the puck.

Te defense all fits.
 
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