GDT: PS #3 - 09/22/17 | RANGERS @ islanders | 7:30 PM - MSG

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I don't like Bereglazov's style

There are more and more PMDs in this league for a very very good reason. Bereglazov is heady with the puck, but he is a stay at home D still of some kind at least.

But I think we will start to value that type a bit more though. That is what happened in Sweden (redline offside was removed in 98', 05' in he NHL). I think what we are seing now is a bit of a over-correction. Nowadays teams wants at least one of those bigger defensive capable Ds. It started in the POs. Forwards and most players had gotten smaller. There where still a PF around here and there. They took some liberties. And a bigger D started to step up and took the spot light by being very physical, dominating net battles, being great on the PK. Making the other team keep their head up. Ie all the stuff that isn't noticed 5 on 5 in the regular season 5 on 5, but that still can be valuable.

In a sense I think Graves got ability to fill that role better than Bereglazov. But I think the acceptance for a few players -- not fitting the working criteria -- will become a little greater with time.
 
He's a top 10 pick

That's not necessarily true, it's really hard to say given the change in quality between the two drafts.

2017 wasn't a bad draft year, i never fell for that narrative, but it wasn't more then average either. 2018 on the other hand is a STACKED draft, so tough to say where Chytil would have ended up.
 
Not sure what anyone saw in Stromwall other than some speed, thought he was pretty bad. Pretty sure the coaches did as well since they demoted him off the Hayes/Vesey line in the 3rd.

Love Lettieri's motor, think he can end up being a really good bottom 6 spark plug after some AHL seasoning.

Chytil has so much skill, hes really making it tough on the Rangers. If they keep him with the team they better be prepared to play him real minutes, otherwise let him get the minutes elsewhere.

Buchnevich is definitely stronger this year which is going to do him wonders, would like to see him a little more engaged off the puck though.

Not seeing what everyone else is in Deangelo. Think hes been fine, but haven't seen anything that excites me as much as others.

Thought Bereglazov settled down as the game went on and Kampfer was fine. Both are ok for the extra D role.

Puempel also did nothing for me. Very dissapointed that he hasnt made a case for himself to take a spot while Fast is out, or even be useful as our spare forward.
 
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I joined chytilism this summer. It's good for your mind and body and I'm now a totally new person.
 
Thoughts, ranked in order of good to bad:

Firstly, I understand why the coaching staff does it, but I HATE these games where they run out 12 out of 20 guys who are on the cusp simply to see what they have. C'mon, make the obvious cuts and let's get down to the brass tacks.

Anyhoo...


Impressed me:

SKJEI - best player on the ice for the Rangers. To have such a combo of skill, speed, and power...

CHYTIL – unbelievable skill. Had the first assist on the only goal, plus multiple other chances, not lacking in strength, and plays a surprisingly aware defensive game (also seems to be really good at FOs). Give the man his 9 games at the very least.

BUCHNEVICH - much better game. Possession we're used to seeing and instrumental on some of the great passing plays where they came close, but never did put it in. Also, thought he was more aware in the D-zone. Can't wait to see him this year.

VESEY - solid game. Looks to have taken a step forward. More assertive as opposed to simply reactive. If he can simply add 10% to what he did last year, that's a big deal.

NELL - only one period, but I was super impressed with his positioning and how big he made himself seem between the pipes. The save on the breakaway was textbook.

Okay/up-and-down:

HAYES - not as assertive as his first game, but still the same general style I'm hoping to see. One offseason to lose weight, another to get more assertive. Overall positive.

MILLER - felt like he was more tentative this game, but also felt like he was trying to provide leadership with Chytil and Buch on his line. Not worthy of top category performance, but very much a positive to see. I was pleased.

LETTIERI - after two bad periods to start his debut, four good periods to show some positive energizer bunny play, with excellent speed and a good shot. I think he's got an NHL future, potentially even on the 3rd line.

DEANGELO - great start, but fell like he tried to do a little too much and fell off towards the end. Wonder if he was somewhat the victim of the number of lesser forwards the Rangers dressed not giving his rush game much to work with. Love the confidence with the puck; occasionally have to close my eyes when he gets lined up for a hit against the boards in the D-zone.

PIONK - kinda the opposite of DeAngelo. Felt like he had a bit of a rough start, and then found his groove. Does get knocked out of the play a bit in the D-zone early on, but recovered well. Was a significant part of the excellent possession engine in the last period.

GRAVES - not as impressive as his first game, but still impressive. Love his combo of skill and physicality. Felt like he missed a couple of chances (including the goal against), but also made some difference making plays in the D-zone.

PAVALEC - no major complaints, but gave up two goals in two periods and didn't make any wowza saves. Acceptable for a backup, but not worthy of the top tier.

BEREGLAZOV - rough start; didn't even notice him the second period (did he play?); a positive in the third. Essentially, left me wanting to see him in his next game. Get the sense he'll start in HFD and be the first call up.

Expected to be cut:

DESHARNAIS - I know people like him, and the speed is a positive, but I just see a placeholder.

CAREY - will be a GREAT AHLer for us. Has many positive tools (strength, shot, hockey IQ), but doesn't really keep up with the NHL game. Don't mind him as the first call-up; worried about our season if he's playing significant minutes.

PUEMPEL - had some good moments again, but at this stage of his career, there are just too many shifts where nothing happens. Decent candidate to be the 13th forward out of camp.

TAMBELLINI - one or two plays per game where he shows something that give me hope. And he's got great natural gifts. Continue to hope he may have solid 40 pt. 2nd-3rd line potential -- BUT he isn't showing nearly enough to break camp with the team.

STROMWALL - like the speed, but... man, just too many plays where he thinks the puck is in one part of the ice, and it's actually 50-60 feet away and heading in the other direction.

FARNHAM - a couple of nice shifts in a game of mixed quality players where he laid some nice hits, and even made a couple of decent passes, but essentially a reactive thumper as opposed to a player who directed the play on any shift I recall.

KAMPFER - the downside of an 8th D. Played too much, got exposed. Has basic technical skill and understanding of what the coach wants him to do, but is too small and too slow to be anything other than depth. (Which, by the way, kudos, that's a lot better than I can say for my athletic skill!) :)

I hope you continue doing these for the rest of training camp because they're pretty spot on.

I'd quibble a bit with your Tambellini analysis as he's looked involved to me and IMO he had a really good 3rd period last night----and I wasn't any kind of fan of his going into this year.

Bereglazov didn't impress me all that much and you're not wrong about the 2nd period. I don't remember seeing him out there. Maybe he got hurt but I'm sure we were a D short. The big issue yesterday as in the Traverse City games was him and the puck. Bereglazov and the puck at least right now are not working well together.
 
There are more and more PMDs in this league for a very very good reason. Bereglazov is heady with the puck, but he is a stay at home D still of some kind at least.

But I think we will start to value that type a bit more though. That is what happened in Sweden (redline offside was removed in 98', 05' in he NHL). I think what we are seing now is a bit of a over-correction. Nowadays teams wants at least one of those bigger defensive capable Ds. It started in the POs. Forwards and most players had gotten smaller. There where still a PF around here and there. They took some liberties. And a bigger D started to step up and took the spot light by being very physical, dominating net battles, being great on the PK. Making the other team keep their head up. Ie all the stuff that isn't noticed 5 on 5 in the regular season 5 on 5, but that still can be valuable.

In a sense I think Graves got ability to fill that role better than Bereglazov. But I think the acceptance for a few players -- not fitting the working criteria -- will become a little greater with time.

Yeah defense wasn't as "glorified" until pretty recently... then the Tallinder-Lydman age... soon after, Girardi, Staal, guys like that were more frequently All-Stars. They've both had it tough, but new fans here, with the way some talk, wouldn't know how dominant Staal was nor how inpenetrable G was not long ago.
 
Zipay had the lineup for tonight:

F: Zibanejad, Kreider, Zuccarello, Nash, Grabner, Nieves, Desjardins, Schneider, Catenacci, Andersson, Fontaine, Kosmachuk

D: Staal, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Smith, Holden, Crawley

G: Lundqvist, Halverson

No idea of combos.

Interesting that Bereglazov isn't getting the second game that we originally thought and Crawley is getting a game rather than being sent straight down like some others.
 
I hope you continue doing these for the rest of training camp because they're pretty spot on.

I'd quibble a bit with your Tambellini analysis as he's looked involved to me and IMO he had a really good 3rd period last night----and I wasn't any kind of fan of his going into this year.

Bereglazov didn't impress me all that much and you're not wrong about the 2nd period. I don't remember seeing him out there. Maybe he got hurt but I'm sure we were a D short. The big issue yesterday as in the Traverse City games was him and the puck. Bereglazov and the puck at least right now are not working well together.

My pleasure! Will continue until we know the final cuts.
 
A 9 game stint for either Andersson or Chytil would line up pretty well with the late October return of Jesper Fast. Any further decision on the kid's futures could be made at that point.

Farnham to me is just a Ryan Hollweg/Kaleta/Rinaldo clone. Skates hard and hits hard with a modest frame, but has little to no real hockey skill at all. Not really a fan.

4th line is still completely up in the air by all measures. Desharnais? Puempel? Carey? We havent seen much from Nieves. Hard to tell who the coaches favor and if they want more experience there.
 
Zipay had the lineup for tonight:

F: Zibanejad, Kreider, Zuccarello, Nash, Grabner, Nieves, Desjardins, Schneider, Catenacci, Andersson, Fontaine, Kosmachuk

D: Staal, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Smith, Holden, Crawley

G: Lundqvist, Halverson

No idea of combos.

Interesting that Bereglazov isn't getting the second game that we originally thought and Crawley is getting a game rather than being sent straight down like some others.

Jeez thats a lot of vets tonight. I'll be mildly annoyed if they have LA stuck to Kosmachuk, Schneider, Desjardins, etc. Lots of vets he can get a look next to tonight.
 
That's not necessarily true, it's really hard to say given the change in quality between the two drafts.

2017 wasn't a bad draft year, i never fell for that narrative, but it wasn't more then average either. 2018 on the other hand is a STACKED draft, so tough to say where Chytil would have ended up.

You are right. Some guys raise their draft status and some guys fall in draft status every year in every sport. There is no way to say for sure at this point in time. Its just a little too early.
 
Jeez thats a lot of vets tonight. I'll be mildly annoyed if they have LA stuck to Kosmachuk, Schneider, Desjardins, etc. Lots of vets he can get a look next to tonight.
I would expect them to put him between two solid players so that they can properly see what level he is at.

Hopefully some combination of Nash, Zucc, Kreider and Grabner.
 
Zipay had the lineup for tonight:

F: Zibanejad, Kreider, Zuccarello, Nash, Grabner, Nieves, Desjardins, Schneider, Catenacci, Andersson, Fontaine, Kosmachuk

D: Staal, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Smith, Holden, Crawley

G: Lundqvist, Halverson

No idea of combos.

Interesting that Bereglazov isn't getting the second game that we originally thought and Crawley is getting a game rather than being sent straight down like some others.

It begins tonight!! The final straw with AV

Staal-Shattenkirk
 
I hope LA gets the chance to play with more skilled players like Chytil has. Would love to see him there to show off his offensive ability
 
Glad Crawley is getting a look. Could go some ways towards determining whether he's in Hartford this year or back to the OHL.
 
Crawley over Day could be a sign of hockey sense and experience difference between the two.

Day doesn't seem to have a good head for the game despite some amazing tools.

A little surprised he's in over Bear-Glaze... but glaze didn't show much last night, but I only caught part of the game, not sure if his play picked up in the second half.
 
Crawley over Day could be a sign of hockey sense and experience difference between the two.

Day doesn't seem to have a good head for the game despite some amazing tools.

A little surprised he's in over Bear-Glaze... but glaze didn't show much last night, but I only caught part of the game, not sure if his play picked up in the second half.

He didnt really get better... I struggled telling the difference between him and kampfer.. He didn't look any better. He threw a couple solid hits tho
 
He didnt really get better... I struggled telling the difference between him and kampfer.. He didn't look any better. He threw a couple solid hits tho

It's pretty easy to notice the outlier when it comes to the weaker skater and puck handler. The system just doesn't hum as fast.

Same for Puemps and Tambo... Tambo's finally skating hard, but not doing much with the puck... just tossing and chasing.

I think they are trying to really push the puck control and movement factor this year, and it's why the skaters and skilled players are sticking out more.

There were a couple of shifts early on with Buch and Chytil that you could feel the chemistry and skill... not much came out of initially, but you saw the hockey sense and support. Eventually it lead to a goal with the crisp one touch passing.

The bruisers on D... that may not work under the system any more... maybe having one in 6... but not 3 in 6.
 
Gotta think we have these guys set in the Defense:
1. Mcdonagh
2. Shattenkirk
3. Skjei
4. Smith

These guys are legitimately fighting for ice time:
5. Deanglo
6. Holden
7. staal

These guys are fighting to make the team:
8. Pionk

Theses guys are AHL Bound:
9. Graves
10. Kampfer
11. Bereglazov
12. crawley

Possibly not AHL:
13. Day
 
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