Post-Game Talk: Providence Bruins (4) vs Syracuse Crunch (1) - Syracuse wins series 4-1

[Malt]

Breen needs to sit. Guy can barely skate backwards anymore and the smaller Syracuse forwards get by him too easily.

 

[Fenway]

6-2 now they are gassed

 

[Bruinator]

4-2 Syracuse now. Just giving up too many goals all series. Simple as that. I think McIntyre is tired.

Which os exaculu why I thought he would have started Subban tonight. Sunban faulters you go back to Zane. No if uounput Subban in it is on do or doe situation. Poor coaching decision tonight imo.

 

[ashnathan]

On a positive note, is it me or is this Swarz guy on fire at the moment? Whats his deal?

 

[GarbageGoal]

Might have to start Subban with the season on the line tomorrow.

 

[Pia8988]

On a positive note, is it me or is this Swarz guy on fire at the moment? Whats his deal?

Career AHLer so far.

 

[Ratty]

On a positive note, is it me or is this Swarz guy on fire at the moment? Whats his deal?

He has no contract with the Bruins.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Success rates are up more now because of the ease of watching prospects now.

That helps to. Video has been been big since the 70's , but yes, easier now than ever to watch prospects on demand. That said, video scouting is still largely eyeball and is just as problematic on it's own as live eyeball scouting. It's important, no doubt, but means little on it's own. You are going to see largely what you want to see. It's the analytics that puts it all into context and clarify what you are looking at. I was having this conversation in a scouting room with some NHL regulars recently, and heard a great analogy - that scouting without analytics these days is like hunting without a gun.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

That helps to. Video has been been big since the 70's , but yes, easier now than ever to watch prospects on demand. That said, video scouting is still largely eyeball and is just as problematic on it's own as live eyeball scouting. It's important, no doubt, but means little on it's own. You are going to see largely what you want to see. It's the analytics that puts it all into context and clarify what you are looking at. I was having this conversation in a scouting room with some NHL regulars recently, and heard a great analogy - that scouting without analytics these days is like hunting without a gun.

Not really a great analogy at all. A better one would be that it's like hunting with X, and X is an inferior weapon of your choice. As a person who obviously loves analytics, you would think that's what "puts it all into context", but I see it as a tool, nothing more, nothing less.

There are a lot of things that "eyeball scouting" can tell you, and while there is definitely a subjective element to it, much of it is objective. Is video and eyeball scouting any more "problematic" than someone trying to scout using only (or primarily) analytics?

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

An Alt-Shift-Delete type of result. All the signs of an ugly game at the most inopportune time. A steep hill to climb yet again in this series. May be too much to ask for them to mount yet another comeback for the third series in a row. On a more positive note, then have proven that they do know how to get it done. Looking for a bounceback performance to at least have a chance of sending it back to Providnece.

 

[DKH]

That helps to. Video has been been big since the 70's , but yes, easier now than ever to watch prospects on demand. That said, video scouting is still largely eyeball and is just as problematic on it's own as live eyeball scouting. It's important, no doubt, but means little on it's own. You are going to see largely what you want to see. It's the analytics that puts it all into context and clarify what you are looking at. I was having this conversation in a scouting room with some NHL regulars recently, and heard a great analogy - that scouting without analytics these days is like hunting without a gun.

Analytics has its place especially in baseball

However hockey is heavily weighted to live or video watching

You show me the analytics for Connor Shearys deft stick tilt on that second period play

i don't watch The WHL like you so I take your opinion but if it's Providence I'll defer to a person like Garbage Goal who sees these guys live many games from the great vantage of section 109 over someone thousands of miles away relying on stats and draft class comparisons

Analytics are a small part of it and helpful in hockey but no where near the data you get in baseball

Billy Beane said he made deals recently without ever seeing the players but going by analytics and got hosed - MLB network analysts were stunned. I'm still waiting for the A's to make the playoffs and MoneyBall as cute as it was with its analytics slant kinda sorta forgot to mention the A's starting rotation of Tim Hudson, Mark Mulder, and Barry Zito.

The result shows

Your a smart guy Fonzarelli and I read all your Gabrielle stuff but when it comes to Providence and local college players in hockey east I have to defer to myself because I watch these guys - oh and I'm a big Stats guy just not in hockey

I do enjoy your posts and the WHL stuff is fantastic keep it coming

 

[DKH]

Just to add and put this whole analytics over value to bed as it relates to hockey

Bob Quinn left the Patriots to take over the Detroit Lions and he spoke on the subject of analytics

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/17787591/detroit_lions_will_use_analyti.amp

I will admit Fonz if this was the Red Sox board I would not be disputing your claim as much

 

[GarbageGoal]

Per Divver, Subban gets the start tonight.

 

[wintersej]

Just to add and put this whole analytics over value to bed as it relates to hockey

Bob Quinn left the Patriots to take over the Detroit Lions and he spoke on the subject of analytics

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/17787591/detroit_lions_will_use_analyti.amp

I will admit Fonz if this was the Red Sox board I would not be disputing your claim as much

That article stated the Patriots are amongst the most aggressive users of analytics. It's served them well. I think that any reasonable person sees a place for analytics in all sports, but you also have to acknowledge that analytics are only good as their inputs, and it's impossible to plug every input into the formula (as you noted with your Sheary example), the fluid games are even harder it get all the inputs.

 

[DKH]

That article stated the Patriots are amongst the most aggressive users of analytics. It's served them well. I think that any reasonable person sees a place for analytics in all sports, but you also have to acknowledge that analytics are only good as their inputs, and it's impossible to plug every input into the formula (as you noted with your Sheary example), the fluid games are even harder it get all the inputs.

Good assessment

Analytics in Baseball is vital

Baseball Prospectus is my favorite season baseball preview

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Baby B's down 1-0 nearing the end of the 1st period. Syracuse scored 41 seconds in.

 

[roflstomper]

Boys are overmatched but battling. Hanging on by a thread.

edit; bad turnover by Syracuse 1-1 with about 5 to go in the 2nd.

 

[DKH]

DeBrusk with 6 shots not watching but based on guys his age and height only 1 was a scoring chance

 

[roflstomper]

It's........crunch time?? 1-1 with time dwindling in the third.

 

[xgallantx]

Not sure who's watching/listening. But is everybody as sick as I am hearing the announcer say "trapezoid"??

 

[roflstomper]

Not sure who's watching/listening. But is everybody as sick as I am hearing the announcer say "trapezoid"??

Compared to the WBS and Hershey guy I'll take it. He's not too bad actually.

 

[Fonzerelli]

There are a lot of things that "eyeball scouting" can tell you, and while there is definitely a subjective element to it, much of it is objective. Is video and eyeball scouting any more "problematic" than someone trying to scout using only (or primarily) analytics?

I don't know anybody who tries to use "only" analytics. The analytics people I know have a strong grasp of it's roll. It's meant to be used alongside other tools, like live eyeballs and videos, but it's definitely the driver in a bag of clubs.

Conversely, I know a LOT of people who foolishly believe their eyeballs can stand alone, and these people rarely achieve the 20% success rate that aproach has established over the years.

Analytics is not meant to stand alone, but several studies have been done that prove a stand alone analytics approach (literally can be done on a lap top in somebodies basement without ever leaving the house) is still better than 19 of 30 existing complete professional NHL scouting operations. It's no wonder that NHL teams clamoured in the summer of 2014 to scramble together analytics departments and are constantly looking to improve on them.

 

[xgallantx]

crud

 

[roflstomper]

Subban tries to play the puck and plays it right to a Syracuse player leads to a goal. 2-1 with 5 minutes left. Do we have any magic left.

empty netter will do it for Syracuse. 3-1.

 

[xgallantx]

Compared to the WBS and Hershey guy I'll take it. He's not too bad actually.

No, not bad at all, just found it annoying using "trapezoid" so often. Ah crap, empty netter. Good run from the Baby B's.