Proposal: Proposals Thread: Everything But The TV, Couch and Kitchen Sink Are For Sale!

[Moose Coleman]

So that really leaves us know where but in the hunt for Eichel/McDavid. I'm fine with that, but if that is their plan, it would be really nice to have someone in the franchise declare it.

That's silly. MacT added four significant pieces this year (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens, Fasth) without giving up anything significant in return. The notion that he would have to deal one of the kids to get any help is simply wrong, if not outright foolish.

 

[ponokanocker]

To Buffalo: 2014 1st, Petry

To Edmonton: Myers, Stewart

Size in our top 6, and a much better blueliner. Buffalo gets a top draft pick in an okay draft year, and a worse top 4 D to play ahead of their young blueliners until they develop. I know everyone is always super excited about draft picks, but Myers is a top pairing blueliner now, and still has room to get better.

 

[dyzfunctioned]

Dion is a solid defenseman and all this talk about his play dropping off is, for the most part, ********. His play isn't the reason his stats have gone south - it's his usage.

This year with the Leafs he's started 39.30% of his shifts in the offensive zone - that's over 60% in the d-zone. He's basically being Boyd Gordon'd.

2013-14: 34 point pace, 39% o-zone starts, top competition
2012-13: 48 point pace, 41% o-zone starts, top competition (shortened season, high shooting %)
2011-12: 44 point pace, 50% o-zone starts, top comeptition
2010-11: 37 point pace, 49% o-zone starts, above-average competition
2009-10: 32 point pace, 55% o-zone starts, above-average competition
2008-09: 48 point pace, 58% o-zone starts, average competition
2007-08: 60 point pace, 57% o-zone starts, faced average competition

He's dropped from 58% o-zone starts and average competition to <40% o-zone starts and top competition.

So given a reasonable zone start rate (around ~50%), there's a good chance he's a 40ish point defenceman that can play against the top competition.

It all depends on cost but I'd gladly take him.

 

[Debonair]

I'd consider moving Gagner for him if Toronto really wants to ship Dion out of town. I'd ask them to eat 1M the next 2 years and 2M for the rest of the contract.

I don't think we're at the point where we'd be willing to take on salary without considering the future. 7M for a declining player is simply cap hell. (and people just assuming the salary cap WILL go to 90M ) And people willing to pay a 2015 1st havent watched Phaneuf this year...

 

[MinnesotaFats]

That's silly. MacT added four significant pieces this year (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens, Fasth) without giving up anything significant in return. The notion that he would have to deal one of the kids to get any help is simply wrong, if not outright foolish.

Perron was a gift from a team that needed cap relief.

Gordon was an overpay for a UFA we needed.

Scrivens and Fasth - let's let them play behind this crap team for a full season before you judge whether they are solutions.

Beyond that, the holes he needs to fill now are not ones he can fill without giving up pieces.

1 or 2 top pairing D.
A real 2nd line C.
Power forward that can play top 6 minutes.

Sorry, none of those things are going to come for free. They certainly don't exist on the UFA market this summer unless you count Statsny as being that 2nd line C, but I wouldnt. We won't get him anyways.

MacT either moves some pieces of the "CORE" to address needs, or we're talking McDavid vs. Eichel by December.

 

[Moose Coleman]

Perron was a gift from a team that needed cap relief.

Gordon was an overpay for a UFA we needed.

Scrivens and Fasth - let's let them play behind this crap team for a full season before you judge whether they are solutions.

None of which runs counter to my point.

Beyond that, the holes he needs to fill now are not ones he can fill without giving up pieces.

1 or 2 top pairing D.
A real 2nd line C.
Power forward that can play top 6 minutes.

Sorry, none of those things are going to come for free. They certainly don't exist on the UFA market this summer unless you count Statsny as being that 2nd line C, but I wouldnt. We won't get him anyways.

MacT either moves some pieces of the "CORE" to address needs, or we're talking McDavid vs. Eichel by December.

I have news for you. The Oilers aren't getting anything off that shopping list for any of the kids not named Taylor Hall. RNH and Yak don't have much value beyond potential at the moment. Schultz? Gagner? No chance. Eberle is maybe the only one I could see moving for an equivalent player. But it would be for someone else's headache.

 

[Moose Coleman]

Dion is a solid defenseman and all this talk about his play dropping off is, for the most part, ********. His play isn't the reason his stats have gone south - it's his usage.

This year with the Leafs he's started 39.30% of his shifts in the offensive zone - that's over 60% in the d-zone. He's basically being Boyd Gordon'd.

I think you mean Randy Carlyle'd (he did the same thing to Grabovski last year).

 

[SPIRIT]

No to Dion.

But I would take Elisha Cuthbert.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That's silly. MacT added four significant pieces this year (Perron, Gordon, Scrivens, Fasth) without giving up anything significant in return. The notion that he would have to deal one of the kids to get any help is simply wrong, if not outright foolish.

How many of them are top pairing D? Dangle Hall and see who bites.

 

[Mcnofool6110]

All of those guys blaming coaching on Dion's fall:

Although you may be right, it's not as if we have shockingly competent coaches. Eakins will find a way to make him play worse than he has in the last bit.

 

[8BostonRocker24]

6 per. Sorry I should have wrote that better.

I know you guys would want him back, still a great player. It's why I would offer him a boatload of cash for more than a year.



I thought about this, but with the flames in an obvious rebuild of their own maybe it wouldn't completely deter him. That and as we have seen in the past players do some strange **** at times. Jagr in Philly, and Jarome last year with the whole Pitt/Boston fiasco.

He might take that from Edmonton. There is zero chance Boston could match that.

Personally, if Edmonton offered $6 million / year, I hope Calgary fans wouldn't be upset with him. That's a lot of coin for someone his age and a number I don't think Boston or Calgary could/would offer.

 

[Moose Coleman]

How many of them are top pairing D?

Because those are just drop dropping out of trees?

Dangle Hall and see who bites

I doubt Subban, Doughty or Karlsson are going anywhere.

 

[MinnesotaFats]

I have news for you. The Oilers aren't getting anything off that shopping list for any of the kids not named Taylor Hall. RNH and Yak don't have much value beyond potential at the moment. Schultz? Gagner? No chance. Eberle is maybe the only one I could see moving for an equivalent player. But it would be for someone else's headache.

I think you're mistaken there, but nice to know that you have the pulse of the GMs in the league. It's a matter of timing and finding the right fit.

Regardless, I'm not sure where you're going with all of this. Basically you're saying MacT has shown he can add quality to the team but no one on the team other than Hall has the value required to return the pieces we need. So where is your confidence in MacT coming from? Where is he going to add important pieces from?

 

[MinnesotaFats]

Because those are just drop dropping out of trees?



I doubt Subban, Doughty or Karlsson are going anywhere.

Not sure about Subban. This summer will be very, very interesting on that front. I think he's a great offer sheet candidate for the Oilers if they're willing to go that route. While I'd love to pay big bucks to a D that has more defensive awareness, give how little production we get from our backend, I'd be thrilled to land PK. If you can add him while not moving any of the young guys, awesome.

 

[rockinghockey]

Have you guys watched Dion this year. If he was here the fans would be tearing him apart.

I do agree that we have to make some trades as we have too many of the same type of players. Players I would keep are Hall, RNH, Perron on the front end. Use the rest to improve the team.

 

[Moose Coleman]

I think you're mistaken there, but nice to know that you have the pulse of the GMs in the league. It's a matter of timing and finding the right fit.

It's not that hard. NHL GMs are conservative, risk-averse and salary cap constrained. Why do you think there's so few blockbuster trades? Frankly, I'd take looking at what trades actually happened as a guide over HFers' evaluations of players.

Regardless, I'm not sure where you're going with all of this. Basically you're saying MacT has shown he can add quality to the team but no one on the team other than Hall has the value required to return the pieces we need. So where is your confidence in MacT coming from? Where is he going to add important pieces from

I am confident that, if they do trade one of the core, the return will not even be close to meeting people's expectations if not outright disappointing. But that's not to say they can't fill other needs that would at least cover some of the weak areas through drafting and development. Others will be filled through free agency. Basically, more deals like Perron and Gordon, no blockbusters.

 

[rickyrunfar]

Trade Eberle. Sign Vanek 7.5 million 5 years.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Because those are just drop dropping out of trees?



I doubt Subban, Doughty or Karlsson are going anywhere.

I doubt it too but the rest aren't going to get you much. Either trade or draft. Those are our only options

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Trade Eberle. Sign Vanek 7.5 million 5 years.

please tell me you're joking

 

[5 14 6 1]

At this point I am open to trading ANY of our players Hall and Nuge included.

 

[rickyrunfar]

Teams way to small. Yak, Ebs, Ganger, Nuge in the top six is a recipe for 29th.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Teams way to small. Yak, Ebs, Ganger, Nuge in the top six is a recipe for 29th.

Yup, they need alot more bigness with the hitting.

 

[ales83fan]

I'm just gearing up for exams right now, but I would love to get into this topic indepth as soon as those are done.

 

[rockinghockey]

If Ekblad is still on the draft table when we pick would a deal involving Couturier plus interest you guys. It gives us a legit 2C now, what would the plus be though because it would take more than that for me to trade Ekblad.

 

[Soundwave]

If Ekblad is still on the draft table when we pick would a deal involving Couturier plus interest you guys. It gives us a legit 2C now, what would the plus be though because it would take more than that for me to trade Ekblad.

There's no chance in hell the Oilers trade Ekblad if they come out this draft with him.