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This kind of wayward thinking is what allows Sather to keep his job and use coaches as fall guys.
You can't take guys that have been in the NHL for years, apply a few months where they played their best hockey, and frame that as evidence that they can do better.
Of course this team isn't "devoid of talent." Its a mediocre NHL team. Most people, who have standards, are upset that after 13+ years this incompetent GM STILL doesnt have a roster anywhere near championship caliber.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, because I see this roster as much better than it's been thus far. I still think it could use some changes, but I just want to see an injection of life. And I'm certainly not looking at months as opposed to careers except for Brassard and Stepan. Callahan has been much better than he has been for these past couple month very consistently. Lundqvist has played better all eight seasons of his career before these past few months. Staal, Richards, Girardi are all the same case. Really, all I'm refusing to do is decide their value to the team with a what have you done for me lately mindset. I'm not applying a few outlier months that don't agree with the general trend to measure their capabilities against.
What scapegoats? Calling a spade a spade. I do not care what they make. I do care about them showing up to games.
You are what your record says you are.
The season is getting deep enough to the point that you know what you are looking at.
I suppose you're right about that. I'm holding onto hope that this team has another gear they can kick it into, and I'm all but certain they can. That's all I'm trying to say. They may not play to their capabilities at any point, but I don't think we've hit our ceiling. Again, whether we do--I don't feel very hopeful right now.
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Not only is it not championship caliber the roster makeovers every single year are eating me up. We're in for one next year no matter what happens here with how many guys are set for free agency. Blows my mind this guy can continually do this in a league where continuity has proven to show success. Very frustrating when you think of how promising the team had begun to look.
Without getting too much into detail... we're losing games now because we now have 6 4th line offensive players on the ice on a given game and 3 bottom pairing guys.
Moore
Boyle
Dorsett
Pyatt
Pouloit
Asham
DZ
Moore
Falk/McIlrath
......
And we're surprised why we're falling deeper into the muck?
Moore
Boyle
Dorsett
Pyatt
Pouloit
Asham
DZ
Moore
Falk/McIlrath
......
And we're surprised why we're falling deeper into the muck?
We are also losing games because the top 6 guys aren't scoring consistently.
We are also losing games because those guys you listed don't have a role on this team (it was ridiculous to think they would score, anyway)
We are also losing games because the once steadfast defense is slipping
We are also losing games because Henrik Lundqvist isn't playing like a God anymore.
I think that about covers it. Your reason is probably last on this list.
We're losing because:
- Sather built a pretty weak team
- AV is doing a terrible job coaching said weak team
- Players aren't doing the little things, and have shown zero heart or self-motivation
This is what failure across all levels of the organization looks like.
- Sather built a pretty weak team
- AV is doing a terrible job coaching said weak team
- Players aren't doing the little things, and have shown zero heart or self-motivation
This is what failure across all levels of the organization looks like.
I think a dynamic center could tie it together - good luck finding that though.
But bottom line, just because the bottom 6 is useless doesnt mean the top 6 should be as bad as its been.
How can you type this yet still absolve AV of fault?
This is literally the exact point I've been making. The bottom of the roster is quite bad, but there's no excuse for the team, specifically the top of the roster, to be as bad as its been
Too much of a "losing culture" has been brought to this team. We traded for all those CBJ guys Nash, Brassard, Dorsett, Moore, Stralman (he was waiver wire). Picked up guys like Pouliot (high draft pick has been pretty much a disappointment his whole career). Pyatt is the most useless player in the NHL (well maybe he beats out John Scott, but at least he makes some interesting headlines).
And don't get me wrong Nash is super talented and fun to watch. But he hasn't won anything in this league and has what 1 playoff goal?
Success with anything in life requires work ethic and a consistent effort. The 2011-12 team may have lacked talent but, they did prove how far you can get with work ethic and a team committed to the same goal.
And don't get me wrong Nash is super talented and fun to watch. But he hasn't won anything in this league and has what 1 playoff goal?
Success with anything in life requires work ethic and a consistent effort. The 2011-12 team may have lacked talent but, they did prove how far you can get with work ethic and a team committed to the same goal.
The top 6 aren't underperforming. The top 6 aren't a legit top 6. We have Nash and a collection of 2nd liners. We don't have the talent.
94now
Registered User
I agree with reasons for losing, although 3rd and second reasons are, just one. Organization is more than just coach and GM, so I am not sure that the rest is as bad.
I suggest to let Ulfie or Arniel go to shake things up. Or both.
I dont think the top 6 is that good either.
I dont think a guy that first laid eyes on these players less than 3 months ago should be depended upon as some sort of savior.
I think most of the players on this team stink
94now
Registered User
I can't disagree. I want to identify his linemates as the problem but he posted stats in CBJ.
second liners would fall into the top....?
6
top 6 means first and second line.
A top 6 is composed of 3 1st liners and 3 2nd liners. We have 1 1st liner and 5 2nd liners. We have 2nd liners playing 1st line minutes and are expecting the production to be 1st line quality.
So lets just cut to the chase.
Can you honestly watch this gong show and tell me AV is getting the most possible out of his roster?
No but I don't wanna blame AV 30ish games into his tenure after we fired a Stanley Cup winning coach this offseason. You're right, he isn't getting the most possible out of this roster. We've watched this team perform better, but I don't know if any coach would have better results.
