GDT: Preseason game 2: Sharks vs. Ducks 7pm stream on sharks.nhl.com

[coooldude]

I mean the Secondary Smith was a joke that I still don't get how people didn't realize was a joke in the context. He had a not very impressive start of the year then completely dominated for 4 months and was playing at a level higher than Celebrini was during the same timeframe.

I don't have a problem with it, but just feedback for you, I don't think your jokes come across as jokes to most people most of the time. Maybe a little too dry for written internet humor.

And don't really know what you're talking about with rolling 4 lines, but depth was BC's biggest weakness by far last year. The bottom 6 minus Malone only combined for 12 goals on the year, and when Perreault went out they got absolutely nothing from anybody besides Smith, Gauthier, and Leonard besides Malone having a good game against UConn.

I mean they literally rolled 4 lines last year. I must have watched like 10-15 of the games, including all the big ones, and they very rarely moved off their 4 line rotation. It was almost always Cutter's line, Smith's line, then the next two lines in order. When Perreault was injured, it was still a 4 line roll. I know this because I would typically skim thru the non-Smith shifts. EDIT: because I can see what's coming next... OF COURSE the scoring was top heavy. That's hockey. However the 3rd and 4th lines were still solid puck possession lines. BC rarely got caved in. And the lines were rolled.

I didn't say puck hog I said puck dominant, which is exactly how Toffoli described his game a couple days ago?

I mean, in the same series of posts you compared Smith to Curry, best shooter of all time, maybe one of the best players of all time, and Celebrini to Westbrook, a very good but nowhere near historical player. You can't expect people to take you seriously when in one sentence you say "I was making a joke with the Secondary Smith thing for two months, duh, how come people are so dense" and then you make that kind of comparison in good faith. Unless it's also a joke, in which case, it seems like everything is a joke, which again is fine, but in that case, don't expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.

 

[weastern bias]

I mean the Secondary Smith was a joke that I still don't get how people didn't realize was a joke in the context. He had a not very impressive start of the year then completely dominated for 4 months and was playing at a level higher than Celebrini was during the same timeframe.

Just thought it was funny how people were acting like they are incomparable as players when Smith slapped around Celebrini in the HockeyEast finals.

And don't really know what you're talking about with rolling 4 lines, but depth was BC's biggest weakness by far last year. The bottom 6 minus Malone only combined for 12 goals on the year, and when Perreault went out they got absolutely nothing from anybody besides Smith, Gauthier, and Leonard besides Malone having a good game against UConn.


I didn't say puck hog I said puck dominant, which is exactly how Toffoli described his game a couple days ago?

BC slapped BU in the finals, they had a much better team

The are not and have never been comparable talents, Smith scored more points playing easier minutes with better linemates on a deeper team (and again is considerable older, Celebrini was 17 for his entire freshman season) but he has never demonstrated the level of commitment to defense that Celebrini has, Smith cheats for his offense and still only scored 7 more points in a far more advantageous situation and environment

Celebrini is not puck dominant, however, he simply commands touches by constantly being available and in position to recieve pucks in dangerous areas, but he doesn't monopolize possession, if anything he is unselfish to a fault

 

[Patty Ice]

On East Coast time

Same here

 

[LilLeeroy]

BC slapped BU in the finals, they had a much better team

The are not and have never been comparable talents, Smith scored more points playing easier minutes with better linemates on a deeper team (and again is considerable older, Celebrini was 17 for his entire freshman season) but he has never demonstrated the level of commitment to defense that Celebrini has, Smith cheats for his offense and still only scored 7 more points in a far more advantageous situation and environment

Celebrini is not puck dominant, however, he simply commands touches by constantly being available and in position to recieve pucks in dangerous areas, but he doesn't monopolize possession, if anything he is unselfish to a fault

I mean Smith scored 4 goals while Celebrini did absolutely nothing until the game was already over.

Celebrini got plenty of easy matchups as well, and like I said earlier played 5 more minutes per game than Smith did. I guess the stamina to play that many minutes is impressive, but per minute production is important and Smith's was well clear of Celebrini last season.

We're talking about their play last year, I have no idea why you keep bringing up age.

 

[Hodge]

We're talking about their play last year, I have no idea why you keep bringing up age.

Maybe because one of them was 15 months younger than the other?

 

[LilLeeroy]

Maybe because one of them was 15 months younger than the other?

I have never once said Smith is a better prospect than Celebrini, that person was just trying to argue that last season Smith at no point ever played as well as Celebrini which is just factually untrue.

 

[weastern bias]

If you're willing to divorce team context and deployment from the equation then you can argue Smith was better because he scored more points

If you're looking at the larger picture Celebrini was considerably better at every point of the season because he had more responsibility on a much worse team and scored at a comparable rate while also playing defense, something Smith does not do

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

I'm just glad we have both and both will put up big points if everything goes right. 1A/1B center situation

 

[landshark]

I’m looking at the terms and conditions for the coupon from last night. Minimum purchase of $1.

Nice! Thanks!

Wonder what you can get for a dollar at Taco Bell... 59, 79, 99 cent menus are long gone. Only 3X as much these days... On their "value" menu they've got a "cheesy roll up" for 1.49.

Taco Bell should have sponsored Brent Burns' "starfish" maneuver as the "cheesy roll up" maneuver. Or, those walk up tweets from the Sharks with the pics of Sharks players in suits pre-game could also be labelled "cheesy roll up," Taco Bell's marketing dept sleeping on the job.

 

[weastern bias]

Jesus Christ, a crunchy taco is $2.29?

Where my country gone. . .

 

[gaucholoco3]

I mean Smith scored 4 goals while Celebrini did absolutely nothing until the game was already over.

Celebrini got plenty of easy matchups as well, and like I said earlier played 5 more minutes per game than Smith did. I guess the stamina to play that many minutes is impressive, but per minute production is important and Smith's was well clear of Celebrini last season.

We're talking about their play last year, I have no idea why you keep bringing up age.

This is why I wish there was accurate TOI data for juniors and college players. So much of scoring is opportunity. If Smith really did play 5 minutes less per night than Celebrini or when Eichel played then his season is a lot more impressive. TOI matters so much when comparing players. I’m sure the NHL teams track this for the players they scout.

 

[Star Platinum]

Jesus Christ, a crunchy taco is $2.29?

Where my country gone. . .

We put too many young guys who hadn't earned it yet in charge and everything went to shit

 

[weastern bias]

We put too many young guys who hadn't earned it yet in charge and everything went to shit

Notably, the problem with the legislative branch is they skew too young

 

[Star Platinum]

Notably, the problem with the legislative branch is they skew too young

Executive and judicial branches also noted for too many whippersnappers.

 

[weastern bias]

whippersnappers

Fun fact, that's the proper term for that judge hammer thingy

 

[ChompChomp]

Dan and Jamal Mayers like this Keane guy. I kinda like him too. Maybe the next Emberson? Keep the flame alive?

Very possible. I mentioned when Keane signed his PTO that he played for Warsofsky for a few games in Charlotte in 19-20, and then for him with the Chicago Wolves in 20-21 and 21-22 (the Wolves Championship team). I'm guessing Warsofsky loves him and he's got a better-than-decent shot to earn an NHL two-way contract. Not a guarantee to make the Sharks, let alone to even get a contract, but the history suggests Warsofsky is high on him.

 

[Timo Time]

Unrelated, but I had Taco Bell in the U.K. and that was unequivocally the best Taco Bell I've ever had. 10/10, would recommend.

 

[LilLeeroy]

This is why I wish there was accurate TOI data for juniors and college players. So much of scoring is opportunity. If Smith really did play 5 minutes less per night than Celebrini or when Eichel played then his season is a lot more impressive. TOI matters so much when comparing players. I’m sure the NHL teams track this for the players they scout.

Yeah ill try to find the infographic but from my recollection Smith played about 17:30 5v5 minutes per game while Macklin had 22ish of 5v5 minutes per game.

A lot of people are underselling how impressive Smith's (and his whole line for that matter) season was last year.

 

[weastern bias]

Yeah ill try to find the infographic but from my recollection Smith played about 17:30 5v5 minutes per game while Macklin had 22ish of 5v5 minutes per game.

A lot of people are underselling how impressive Smith's (and his whole line for that matter) season was last year.

Literally no one is underselling his season, he lead the nation in scoring and was a Hobey Baker finalist as a freshman, it was truly an incredible year

That doesn't mean he was better than Celebrini, he was not and he is not, and that's not an insult, Celebrini he had one of the best draft year freshman seasons of all time

Both of these things can be true

 

[CHALUPA]

I didn't say puck hog I said puck dominant, which is exactly how Toffoli described his game a couple days ago?

I mean Smith was given a much smaller role tonight than Celebrini was on Sunday. The PP wasn't running through him while Macklin was running the PP and hogging the puck all night.

I think your posts are coming off as bringing down Celebrini, rather than propping up Smith. Not sure if that’s the intent, but I think that’s why you’re getting so much pushback right now.

 

[SJSharksfan39]

Dan and Jamal Mayers like this Keane guy. I kinda like him too. Maybe the next Emberson? Keep the flame alive?

Speaking of Dan and Jamal, I really liked Jamal on the broadcast last night. I appreciate the Sharks bringing in new blood while keeping it in the family. I wonder how much longer Dan (And Randy for that matter) want to do this. They've been doing it for 30+ years already. Dan's longevity with the team has been remarkable and when he retires, they should give him a banner at SAP Center. He deserves it.

I've been watching the preseason to just watch individual players for the most part. While I was really entertained by Celebrini on Sunday, I just found Smith ok last night. He did seem a little tentative at first, but as the game went on he seemed to find his sea legs. It wasn't as noticeable as Celebrini, and I hope in the next few games we might see more "dress rehearsals" with the both of them out there together. Also, it is hard to watch these games the "Video Stream" way rather than the actual network. I will say last week I wasn't there in terms of excitement for the season. Tonight I'm starting to get really excited for the season. I'm trying to temper my expectations (Which is why reading posts already criticizing some of these guys, like Dickenson is kind of funny to me) because isn't this a season where watching the young guys develop is more important than anything else? They can't become hall of famers after 1 or 2 preseason games.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

My not so hot take is that Celebrini is the best player un21 in the NHL. Yes, I have him higher than Bedard. That has to do more with Celebrini being a more complete player. Bedard is an incredible scorer, but I think Celebrini could have a Messier type ceiling despite the differences in their play styles.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Speaking of Dan and Jamal, I really liked Jamal on the broadcast last night. I appreciate the Sharks bringing in new blood while keeping it in the family. I wonder how much longer Dan (And Randy for that matter) want to do this. They've been doing it for 30+ years already. Dan's longevity with the team has been remarkable and when he retires, they should give him a banner at SAP Center. He deserves it.

I wanted to echo this. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who raised an eyebrow; a former enforcer has the qualifications to be a commentator? The move reeked of "nepotism". But he was great; insightful with good timing.

 

[timorous me]

I wanted to echo this. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who raised an eyebrow; a former enforcer has the qualifications to be a commentator? The move reeked of "nepotism". But he was great; insightful with good timing.

My only problem with Mayers is that they refer to him as a former Shark when all I can see is him as a Blue.

 

[mogambomoroo]

My not so hot take is that Celebrini is the best player un21 in the NHL. Yes, I have him higher than Bedard. That has to do more with Celebrini being a more complete player. Bedard is an incredible scorer, but I think Celebrini could have a Messier type ceiling despite the differences in their play styles.

I feel like franchise two-way talent like Celebrini is not as interesting to the media like franchise goalscorer like Bedard. That is why I think the complete game of Celebrini has more of a chance to bring us a cup one day than Bedard would have. Celebrini will work every detail of the game to win. You basically have a Crosby, and we Sharks fans know what it means playing against him in the playoffs.