No. That's insanity.Benchmark..
Ryan Miller was traded as a rental . He was around 34 when traded at 2014 deadline…
Miller+Ott for Halak+Stewart+ 2015 1st+ 2016 3rd ( with conditions)+ Carrier ( 2013 2nd round pick)
he was traded for one playoff, not 2.
the 3rd would have been a 1st if he was resigned/ won cup.
the price is likely 2 1sts+2 2nds or equivalent.
None of this is new, its pretty much the same stuff we've been hearing since the end of last season.
Trotz has his price, if someone is crazy enough to pay it then he will let him go. If not he just signs him to a new contract and moves on. Same thing we have been saying for months.
Really? For me he's easily right up there with Vasy and Shesterkin. Guy is incredible lol he amazes me every time I watch him.I’m not slagging him, but believe he is highly overrated. Would give up a ton for him despite needing a goalie.
Both of those players are obviously more valuable and aren’t getting traded for a 28 year old goalie with 1 more year of control in the salary cap era. It would be one thing if they were just prospects and not already excellent players making huge contributions at 19 and 21.Saros unsurprisingly being pretty underrated when takes like Nemec > Saros right now and Byfield > Saros are being upvoted.
I'm a huge fan of Byfield too and I'm rooting for him to become one of the best players in the league, but there's no gaurentee that happens. Saros is one of the best, arguably most consistent goalie in the league and has been for years playing the most unpredictable position.
Until this season, he has never been below a .914 sv% in 7 seasons. He's also the only active goalie other than Helleybuycyk to have 4 seasons finishing top 10 in sv%.
Leafs best offers would be knies + Cowan/minten + 1st and would need to dump Samsonov for the rest of the year
Or something crazier around Marner and pressure him to waive his NMC?
Either way Leafs should be willing to make a major move for Soros if he is available in any way
If we're blowing it up it won't be for a guy nearing 30, especially not a winger.If I’m the Leafs, I see if I can land both Saros AND Josi. Would
Immediately fill both needs for the leafs. Too bad Nylander is resigned, he would be the guy I’d offer in a blockbuster package.
and (if he wasn't extended) on his way toward UFA and wanting $3M more per year than Forsberg.If we're blowing it up it won't be for a guy nearing 30, especially not a winger.
Everyone you say is underrating Saros has history on their side. Goalies for whatever reason don't get Talented young players +1sts +Saros unsurprisingly being pretty underrated when takes like Nemec > Saros right now and Byfield > Saros are being upvoted.
I'm a huge fan of Byfield too and I'm rooting for him to become one of the best players in the league, but there's no gaurentee that happens. Saros is one of the best, arguably most consistent goalie in the league and has been for years playing the most unpredictable position.
Until this season, he has never been below a .914 sv% in 7 seasons. He's also the only active goalie other than Helleybuycyk to have 4 seasons finishing top 10 in sv%. He's 3rd all time in SV% among active goaltenders with more than 200 games
while i understand the desire, but expecting an overpayment offer (a la jeannot) from an opposing fan base won't lead to a productive discussion. no tampa fan would have offered you all those picks before the trade happened and with hindsight even less so.We most likely will, Trotz is fielding offers like we fielded offers for Jeannot, which is to say we're not dealing him barring an overpayment .
Except Preds fans have been saying for dang near a year now that there is no discussion to be had anyways because it will take an overpayment based on the words of our GM.while i understand the desire, but expecting an overpayment offer (a la jeannot) from an opposing fan base won't lead to a productive discussion. no tampa fan would have offered you all those picks before the trade happened and with hindsight even less so.
if the devils pull the trigger on a saros trade the aim is to win for the duration of his current contract. so the offer will be non-roster futures like casey, gritsyuk, hämeenaho and picks. ruff might be willing to surrender holtz. i don't think fitz is. mercer or nemec won't be discussed if the devils want to win now.
depending on how the devils view askarov they might be willing to surrender a young roster player for him. he projects to be a goalie for a later cup win window and could even create cap space at other positions. the devils won't offer hischier or hughes and if you don't see mercer's future at center there is no obious fit, as the devils pipeline down the middle is shallow at best.
You can't say that about Daws no one can .....From what we have seen he is already an upgrade....They won with V last year until he imploded in the playoffs and he might not get mentally tight again ....I hope he does but it might not happen until a change of scenery.....As far as Daws we don't know yet but at least we won't throw out a ton of assets and term on a risk .....Saros is not playing well this year and in front of our team without other changes or just a healthy roster he will look a lot worseBecause NJ keeps losing out on chances because of poor goaltending and it’s very, very rare to find a top 5G available ?
He’s definitely top 5 yes and you certainly don’t win with Vanacek and Dawes as your goaltenders either.
You still don't trade a Player like Byfield or a Nemec for a goalie....Unless you fortunate to have a few of them on your team....Saros unsurprisingly being pretty underrated when takes like Nemec > Saros right now and Byfield > Saros are being upvoted.
I'm a huge fan of Byfield too and I'm rooting for him to become one of the best players in the league, but there's no gaurentee that happens. Saros is one of the best, arguably most consistent goalie in the league and has been for years playing the most unpredictable position.
Until this season, he has never been below a .914 sv% in 7 seasons. He's also the only active goalie other than Helleybuycyk to have 4 seasons finishing top 10 in sv%. He's 3rd all time in SV% among active goaltenders with more than 200 games
Nashville isn’t going to give Saros a 7-8 yr x 7-8 mil + full NMC when they’re retooling and have Askarov waiting in the wings.None of this is new, its pretty much the same stuff we've been hearing since the end of last season.
Trotz has his price, if someone is crazy enough to pay it then he will let him go. If not he just signs him to a new contract and moves on. Same thing we have been saying for months.
i don't see any contender trading core pieces for saros. it would defeat the purpose.Except Preds fans have been saying for dang near a year now that there is no discussion to be had anyways because it will take an overpayment based on the words of our GM.
There is absolutely no reason to discuss all of these deals involving lesser players and picks because the GM has already said he will just keep him if that is what he is being offered.
Askarov could be in play, but we also know what he wants roughly for him as well, basically a dynamic young forward prospect.
The whole point for Trotz is that he is essentially hanging raw meat over a pack of hungry wolves in the hopes someone gets desperate enough. If they don't he's ok with that too.
I think the only way that changes is if ownership tells him to burn it to the ground, but the odds of that happening are probably less than someone overpaying for either goalie.
Exactly if he on the Preds next year his value drops and Trotz z knows it....He will deal him for best offer....Don't blame him for trying to get best or their fansNashville isn’t going to give Saros a 7-8 yr x 7-8 mil + full NMC when they’re retooling and have Askarov waiting in the wings.
Let me guess Mathews 50 percent retained 3 firsts and Knies and maybe deal isn't enough for The goalie.....If they offer Knies and a first take it and runIf we're blowing it up it won't be for a guy nearing 30, especially not a winger.
Okay. Preds block both of your teams numbers and happily move on
Actually that is exactly what they are going to do. Maybe not with the full NMC part, but the $$$ could be higher than you have. In a way, his rough season is about the only thing that might have come at just the right time to keep his extension from being even more expensive than you have it.Nashville isn’t going to give Saros a 7-8 yr x 7-8 mil + full NMC when they’re retooling and have Askarov waiting in the wings.
There's still a gap between being a huge contributor and being top 5 at your position.Both of those players are obviously more valuable and aren’t getting traded for a 28 year old goalie with 1 more year of control in the salary cap era. It would be one thing if they were just prospects and not already excellent players making huge contributions at 19 and 21.
An upgrade on what? Vanacek? Sure, because he’s terrible.You can't say that about Daws no one can .....From what we have seen he is already an upgrade....They won with V last year until he imploded in the playoffs and he might not get mentally tight again ....I hope he does but it might not happen until a change of scenery.....As far as Daws we don't know yet but at least we won't throw out a ton of assets and term on a risk .....Saros is not playing well this year and in front of our team without other changes or just a healthy roster he will look a lot worse