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Opinionis this backed up by data or just your opinion?
Opinionis this backed up by data or just your opinion?
Schneider's situation was close, though Saros has a longer track record. And while Horvat turned out to be an excellent pick a 9th overall is still a risk. You might get Nic Ehlers or you might get a Vitali Kravtsov.If I recall, the highest a goalie ever returned was Cory Schneider getting 9th overall. The fact names like Byfield are being thrown out there are laughable. Nobody's meeting that demand.
I’d have to consider Mercer, one of our non-Casey prospects, and a non-1st rounder for Saros and Trenin. I don’t think I could stomach including Casey or a 1st as well, that would be too steep for me.Saros, Trenin for Mercer, Mukhamadullin, and a 1/2nd?
I dont want to lose a pick / make any move like this until we see how we look once people come back from injury.I’d have to consider Mercer, one of our non-Casey prospects, and a non-1st rounder for Saros and Trenin. I don’t think I could stomach including Casey or a 1st as well, that would be too steep for me.
i don't think this works for san joseSaros, Trenin for Mercer, Mukhamadullin, and a 1/2nd?
Byfield as part of a package lol? The Devils don't listen to offers for the Hughes brothers they just hang up...."What I mean by that is don’t put down a couple of first-round picks, which would be in the low 20s for the Predators. That’s not going to get [general manager] Barry Trotz to blink. Let’s take the Los Angeles Kings as an example, if they put down a name like Quinton Byfield as part of a package, that would get the attention of the Predators, or any organization if they want to get in on Saros.
"It’s a huge name and they still intend on signing him, but it’s something to monitor before March 8."
He's listening to offers like Fitzgerald "Listens" to offers on the Hughes brothers, sure you'd move one for Bedard, but that's not going to happen. You still have to listen.
He's listening to offers, but if he's not getting something huge than he's not moving him.
Loli don't think this works for san jose
i think it would be a mistake to give up Mercer. Holtz and a pick make more sense to me. Ive watched Saros this year, and I know they aren’t a great team in front of him but he has not looked good. I’m not sure he’s going to be worth the price unless he’s just been in a funk, if the price is any more than that. With only one year left Saros is set up to be a losing acquisition for whoever overpays. Unless you win the cup in the next two years of course…
He hasn’t looked like a cup winner, at all.
Heater spezza barkov eichel are/were all way better players at their peak than saros. I want what you’re smokingThere's still a gap between being a huge contributor and being top 5 at your position.
Look at the 2nd overalls of this century.. I'd say the only ones that have had an undeniably better career than Saros so far are Malkin, Doughty, Hedman. Let's also say Heatley, Spezza, Barkov, Eichel, Staal, seguin are "arguable". Even if you have all those guys ahead of Saros. That's still less than half the 2nd overall picks this century, and I'm being pretty generous with some of the players under "arguable".
If you wanna bank on a players potential, there's more risk involved with that then taking the proven player. Again, we're talking about a top 5 player in their position, and for multiple years at that. That's not a level most 2nd overall draft picks reach.
Benchmark..
Ryan Miller was traded as a rental . He was around 34 when traded at 2014 deadline…
Miller+Ott for Halak+Stewart+ 2015 1st+ 2016 3rd ( with conditions)+ Carrier ( 2013 2nd round pick)
he was traded for one playoff, not 2.
the 3rd would have been a 1st if he was resigned/ won cup.
the price is likely 2 1sts+2 2nds or equivalent.
Heater spezza barkov eichel are/were all way better players at their peak than saros. I want what you’re smoking
How many teams have been eliminated in those post-seasons because of not having a better goaltender though? Edmonton, Toronto, Los Angeles, Carolina, New Jersey, Colorado last season, etc... You definitely don't need to have a top goaltender to win a Cup but if you are a contending team a subpar goaltender may well increase your likelihood of getting eliminated.Vegas and Colorado just proved you don't necessarily need an elite #1 G to win the cup. STL & WSH as well.
In this day and age I don't see teams trading two firsts or the equivalent of it for a goalie.
Eichel was the 1c and dominant on a cup winner. Take your vezina nomination and keep it. Lots of goalies have a good season or two. Wasn’t Jim Carey nominated for a vezina one time?Vegas and Colorado just proved you don't necessarily need an elite #1 G to win the cup. STL & WSH as well.
In this day and age I don't see teams trading two firsts or the equivalent of it for a goalie.
Debatable RE Eichel. Saros was nominated for the Vezina and recognized as one of the best players in the league at his position, Eichel has never reached that level.
Saris isn't a one hit wonder he's been top 5 in Vezina voting the last three years. Though I wouldn't take him over Eichel.Eichel was the 1c and dominant on a cup winner. Take your vezina nomination and keep it. Lots of goalies have a good season or two. Wasn’t Jim Carey nominated for a vezina one time?
Uh no. But trading our two most important players who play more important positions than Nylander does nothing for us. We trade Josi and Saros so we can have Nylander and what? Contend for a cup? How? Nylander is like Forsberg, an elite winger, but that's not what we need, especially if Toronto thinks they can get Saros AND Josi.
too bad most teams that would also have interest could easily beat Edmonton's top offer. as well as Leafs best offerEdmonton should pay literally whatever the price is for him
If they get Saros they win the Cup
Good luck with that....Reported below by Pagnotta
There will be no offer from Edmonton. Don't need him, don't want him.too bad most teams that would also have interest could easily beat Edmonton's top offer. as well as Leafs best offer
No harm in asking. Sometimes you can catch NHL GM's a bit behind the times.Reported below by Pagnotta
So if McDavid had a down season on a team full of kids and older vets that means he could be had for extra cheap as well by your logic?Ha we aint getting half that with how he has been playin even if that 4th asset is Jack Campbell
Saros is not McDavid. He's maybe a top 5 goalie and not this year. I get you like your player and he does have value, he is good. Mcdavid will be top 5 ever if he stays healthy. Saros won't make the hall if he stays with Nashville.So if McDavid had a down season on a team full of kids and older vets that means he could be had for extra cheap as well by your logic?
Saros has been nothing short of spectacular his whole career but now because of half a season of still respectable hockey on a bad team keeping them in contention and he’s not worth as much anymore?
WeirdThere will be no offer from Edmonton. Don't need him, don't want him.
that hot streak got you very confident. I swear I recall the complete opposite opinions around here around a month or so ago.There will be no offer from Edmonton. Don't need him, don't want him.
Not from me. I've believed in Skinner since Preseason Game 2 of 2 years ago.that hot streak got you very confident. I swear I recall the complete opposite opinions around here around a month or so ago.