TSN: Preds listening to offers on Saros.

[Ciao]

The Leafs need goaltending for sure, but the rest of their team isn't nearly good enough to spend what few tradeable assets they have for a one and a half seasons of Saros.

They should instead work on developing their young goaltenders -- Woll, Hildeby and Petruzelli -- and try to grow their own #1 starter. Otherwise, there's not much of a team to play in front of the goalie, and Saros would just block the development of their up and comers to boot.

The Leafs aren't at the brink of a championship, and they really don't have enough to work with here.

My answer would be to pass.

 

[My3Sons]

So Saros for a 1st and a cap dump?
Classic.


So how exactly do you expect to trade for a top 5G who’s not a rental?

Goalie or no goalie, NJ is pretty banged up and maybe if they are lucky they secure a wildcard berth. The top three spots in the division seem to have sailed. They can see where things stand in the offseason. Why get rid of at least one good cost controlled young player for the privilege of overpaying another guy on a final contract? They already have three of those, that's plenty.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Something has to be done. I kind of wish Fitz went a little harder for Helle. Over the summer I thought we’d be able to out score our defensive and goaltending issues but that’s not happening. And there’s nothing on the horizon to be excited for.

Maybe including Mercer is overreacting a little but I’d definitely trade Holtz and a 1st for Saros extended. If not Saros I’m not sure who else will become available over the next couple of years. It would suck to miss out on both Helle and Saros, if they were both actually available, and not be able to solve the goaltending issue.

I’d love Askarov too and if he’s available then hopefully Fitz can get him. Knight would be another one I’d love but these guys probably won’t be available.

Sometimes foing nothing is the right call.....These trades don't always work and getting desperate leads to mistakes.....They probably play better in front of their goalie than we do.....See what we have in Daws he has looked good .....Window is just opening dropping assets like Mercer Or Holtz or another first is shortsighted......Mercer was a steal where we got him and Holtz is pacing for what 20 goals.....

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

So Saros for a 1st and a cap dump?
Classic.


So how exactly do you expect to trade for a top 5G who’s not a rental?

I don't and he's top five?..... We have more issues than goal and we added a lot of minutes to young players a step back shouldn't be a surprise .....You don't win cups by trading away good cost controlled players....

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Maybe run just another guy like the Avs did with Francouz and the Knights did with a then unknown quanitity in Hill.

I’m not saying the Oilers shouldn’t get Skinner some help. But 5M dollar help that costs 1sts+++ would be down right stupid.

Francouz and Adin Hill are on the same level as Skinner so unless you duplicate Skinner, its the same issue.

 

[TheNumber4]

Francouz and Adin Hill are on the same level as Skinner so unless you duplicate Skinner, its the same issue.

Not back then. And probably still not now on the Francouz front. We’ll see how Hill looks back from injury, but he was just a 1B at best before he was thrust into starter role after like 2 other guys failed.

The point is, no one really knows what will happen with goaltending when the playoffs roll around. Skinner is as good if not a better bet than those two were back then. Heck Pickard even has an outside shot.

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't and he's top five?..... We have more issues than goal and we added a lot of minutes to young players a step back shouldn't be a surprise .....You don't win cups by trading away good cost controlled players....

Yes, Saros is a top 5 goalie , he's got three top 5 vezina finishes the last three years.
And he is cost controlled , only making 5M for this year and next.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Not back then. And probably still not now on the Francouz front. We’ll see how Hill looks back from injury, but he was just a 1B at best before he was thrust into starter role after like 2 other guys failed.

The point is, no one really knows what will happen with goaltending when the playoffs roll around. Skinner is as good if not a better bet than those two were back then. Heck Pickard even has an outside shot.

Skinner is about as good of a bet as those two but pickard is no where near frankie/hill/any backups of the recent cup winners. Also, the oilers arent as good as the cup Avs and Vegas so naturally you need a better goalie.

Oilers need to find a francouz caliber backup though. Pickard in the playoffs would be a disaster.

 

[TheNumber4]

Skinner is about as good of a bet as those two but pickard is no where near frankie/hill/any backups of the recent cup winners. Also, the oilers arent as good as the cup Avs and Vegas so naturally you need a better goalie.

As if you know. Or anyone did.

You think Avs fans thought FranWHOz was gonna be the one to lift the Cup in 2022?

You think the Knights thought Hill was gonna be the guy to life the Cup in 2023?

It could definitely be Skinner. Low chances on Pickard I’ll admit but who the f*** really knows. It could be some other Sub 3M goalie like Kahkkonen, Blackwood, Lindgren, Nedeljkovic, it’s definitely does NOT need to be a 5M Saros.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

Yes, Saros is a top 5 goalie , he's got three top 5 vezina finishes the last three years.
And he is cost controlled , only making 5M for this year and next.

Then resign him....

 

[abo9]

Has any goalie in history ever returned the kind of assets it sounds like the Preds are looking for? They can ask for whatever since I suspect that the goal is definitely to try and re-sign him and that he is really not available. But it would be a record haul if they got anything close to the supposed ask.

There are simply very little trades involving quality starters.

I guess the Luongo swaps between Vancouver and Florida? I was too young for the first one, but 2nd one was for a young up and coming Markstrom... but I doubt the Preds want a G

 

[Soundgarden]

Then resign him....

We most likely will, Trotz is fielding offers like we fielded offers for Jeannot, which is to say we're not dealing him barring an overpayment .

 

[Strangle]

The first part probably works. Adding Samsonov is a non starter though unless there’s a big add from Toronto.

Why? Its a one year contract.

The other team needs to play ball on the $$$ working

 

[Strangle]

I think EDM, TOR, NJ, LA all inquire about Saros and put in offers. Would be curious what the Leafs could offer Trotz. It would likely involve Knies, as much as Leafs fans don't want to trade him. Got to give to get.

Leafs best offers would be knies + Cowan/minten + 1st and would need to dump Samsonov for the rest of the year

Or something crazier around Marner and pressure him to waive his NMC?

Either way Leafs should be willing to make a major move for Soros if he is available in any way

 

[TheNumber4]

Leafs make the most sense here for Saros. No team will be outbidding them for Saros. They have the most immediate and glaring need and desperation.

 

[NMacrules]

Treliving wants to know if Saros can play forward.

Preds want to know if Kamph can play forward.

 

[Soundgarden]

Leafs make the most sense here for Saros. No team will be outbidding them for Saros. They have the most immediate and glaring need and desperation.

I disagree, there are several teams that could outbid them, IF those teams want him more.

 

[TheNumber4]

I disagree, there are several teams that could outbid them, IF those teams want him more.

There are other teams in need of a goalie. But desperation levels may not be the same.

For example, New Jersey needs a goalie. But they are 1 year removed from a rebuild and their core are still babies. Like Luke Hughes just entered the League. Matthews is in year 9. When it comes to desperation I don’t think the Leafs can be beat.

 

[unicornpig]

They would be one step closer but still need a top 4 dman and a bottom 6 guy for depth.

Byfield, Kaliyev and 1st for Saros.

Talk about delusional

 

[Soundgarden]

There are other teams in need of a goalie. But desperation levels may not be the same.

For example, New Jersey needs a goalie. But they are 1 year removed from a rebuild and their core are still babies. Like Luke Hughes just entered the League. Matthews is in year 9. When it comes to desperation I don’t think the Leafs can be beat.

Yea, they may be desperate but would they be willing to offer/do they have what Nashville is looking for? Knies and a late 1st might not cut it.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yea, they may be desperate but would they be willing to offer/do they have what Nashville is looking for? Knies and a late 1st might not cut it.

Yes. They would be willing. They just act like they wouldn’t cause the market thinks they can spreadsheet everything to be perfect deals that fleece other teams. If the Leafs are at threat of missing the playoffs and they’re not far off. The market will implode without an answer.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Goalie or no goalie, NJ is pretty banged up and maybe if they are lucky they secure a wildcard berth. The top three spots in the division seem to have sailed. They can see where things stand in the offseason. Why get rid of at least one good cost controlled young player for the privilege of overpaying another guy on a final contract? They already have three of those, that's plenty.

Because NJ keeps losing out on chances because of poor goaltending and it’s very, very rare to find a top 5G available ?

I don't and he's top five?..... We have more issues than goal and we added a lot of minutes to young players a step back shouldn't be a surprise .....You don't win cups by trading away good cost controlled players....

He’s definitely top 5 yes and you certainly don’t win with Vanacek and Dawes as your goaltenders either.

 

[My3Sons]

Because NJ keeps losing out on chances because of poor goaltending and it’s very, very rare to find a top 5G available ?


He’s definitely top 5 yes and you certainly don’t win with Vanacek and Dawes as your goaltenders either.

It’s not their year. They can worry about it next season. DET isn’t completely out of a playoff spot why not offer Raymond plus for Saros? He’s a rare top five goalie.

 

[BlueSeal]

I don't think the moral is necessary about the "price", especially considering that was purely a rental thing. I think the real moral of the story is...to be wary of in-season goaltender trades. It's such a demanding position mentally...you never really know how the transplant is going to go. It can have a real adjustment period, more so than other positions even.

Then the price is everything.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It’s not their year. They can worry about it next season. DET isn’t completely out of a playoff spot why not offer Raymond plus for Saros? He’s a rare top five goalie.

The Wings and NJ are at two different spots in a rebuild and our starting goalie is playing great lol.