The only real restriction is not having two of them be goaltenders. In fact, of any position, you're most likely to get value out of that cap space investment from forwards.
Post-Game Talk: Predictable Outcome - Leafs Give Up 5+ on Home Ice, Lose
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disgruntleddave
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Let's face it too - if woll doesn't let in 2 stinkers under the pad, it's a very different game.
While we have some guys like Klinger who are worse than dead weight, we lost due to goaltending. Had Sammy given up those goals we'd be roasting him and he'd be shitting on himself in the media again.
While we have some guys like Klinger who are worse than dead weight, we lost due to goaltending. Had Sammy given up those goals we'd be roasting him and he'd be shitting on himself in the media again.
It would be horrible. Not only would it be wasting a prime year of this core, it would likely lead to a kneejerk move that destroys this team's chances for the foreseeable future.
Peasy
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Was it horrible when Tampa missed?
Was it horrible when Vegas missed?
Nothing says you need to make the playoffs x number of years in a row before you can win lmao.
But yeah, lets just keep doin what were doin, pissing away assets for nothing, because eventually something will change! Right? Right?
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Folks we can't play even win this preseason exhibition hockey with this D core .. sad state really .. we have 1 NHL D right now in Rielly .. only saving grace is our other 2 NHL D are hurt in Lily and McCabe .. when they come back that gives us 3 guys .. we need 3 more including 2 guys who make going to our net a b*tch .. hard to win any game with 3 washed guys and 2 guys who are nowhere close .. at this point play Rielly 30 minutes every night Keefer .. it is your only option right now til Tre does job he was brought in to do
CabanaBoy5
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I agree, looking at the microcosm of this game, when Woll gave up that first atrocious first goal, and that saveable third goal, and the abysmal 6th goal, he showed he was not that much better than Sami would have been, and we know how pathetic that is.
But, the overall picture is a little more nuanced than that. This roster is poorly constructed, particularly the defence and the defensive acumen of the bottom 6. Giordano, Klingburg, and Brodie have taken turns being average to dismal. That is half the starters that Treliving thought we could get by with. Add to that the uselessness of Reaves, the pedestrian Gregor, and the slumping Kampf and the 4th line has been a liability, especially Reaves and his minus 9 with less than 8 minutes a game. Domi and Bertuzzi will never be known as defensive stalwarts so you've got a team wide defensive awareness problem.
The PK has bordered on inept all season. But that's understandable when you have so few defensively strong forwards. Add goaltending that has been pathetic, and a coach who is a poor motivator with questionable judgment and we are what we are. A team with 5 really good players and a few decent players and a whole lot of nothing. No wonder we're barely .500. The question is, do we trust Treliving to make the decisions that will right this ship? Some of his decisions have been really questionable.
rumman
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I’m willing to give Tre a fair chance, but he’s already got me second guessing him. Bertuzzi/Domi looked like solid moves on one year contracts, Klingberg not so much. In fact I don’t know why Klingberg was even signed, everyone knew what this team needed was move defence, not a offensive D man. This signing and re upping Keefe are two glaring mistakes imo, I’ll give him a hall pass on Bert and Domi, they can still turn it around……..
ACC1224
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One thing I did notice last night is how often they fumble the puck, it seems much worse than it use to be(I know it's the same for both teams).
Not sure if the ice has gotten that much worse or they are squeezing their sticks to tight.
Not sure if the ice has gotten that much worse or they are squeezing their sticks to tight.
Gary Nylund
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Yeah I was just having a bit of fun. I still watch but I don't expect anything from this bunch other than yet another early playoff exit and yup, we'll probably lose Nylander so the future looks pretty dim indeed.
rumman
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I’d rather miss the playoffs than continually choke in the first round, granted they choked in the second round last year, but if that’s progress I won’t be alive to witness another cup……..
Yes. It was a wasted year.
Injuries to top players also played a big part in those misses, as opposed to horrific decisions from their GM.
Those teams also didn't already have half their fanbase loudly advocating for destroying the team.
Those teams were able to regroup. We'd likely be destroyed for the foreseeable future, especially with Tre at the helm.
Of course not. You don't have to have any X before winning, despite what some people around here may tell you about rounds.
But one thing is for sure. You absolutely need to make the playoffs to win the cup.
Nobody said anything about "pissing away assets". Just because one is not satisfied with a team that has and should easily make the playoffs missing the playoffs due to bad decisions, that doesn't equate to wanting to "piss away assets".
Evilhomer
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Despite all of the moaning, this team will still easily make the playoffs. There are too many bad teams in the Eastern conference for that to not be the case.
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With all the holes, this season always had the feel of a write-off and I assume management planned a retool/rebuild once they freed the cap space. Unfortunately, the previous management gave them no chance at winning and if they ever hope to open the window with this core a ground shaking wake up call isn’t the worst thing. .
I expect us to make the playoffs. Doesn't change how disgusting it is for people to now act like it's fine if we miss the playoffs.
Peasy
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The Leafs are awful right now. Youre saying it would be horrible for them to miss the playoffs. How do you expect them to fix the team this year without pissing away assets lmao? You really think theres a big difference between missing the playoffs and getting beat out in the first round again?
Please elaborate as to why missing the playoffs for one season is so much more of a travesty than getting bounced in round 1 again?
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It would be horrible to miss the playoffs. "Pissing away assets" would also be horrible. Both of these things are true, and we shouldn't be talking about either right now.
We had a horrible offseason and are currently in a bad situation with no easy solution, but one thing is for sure: The answer is not to be happy with a wasted year.
Peasy
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Again, how is missing the playoffs so much more horrible than getting bounced in round 1?
Your goal is to win the cup, not make the playoffs...
Evilhomer
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The good thing is that Calgary is just about the perfect opponent to get over this stinker of a game. The Flames can't score even if you give them chances, so it should be a good game for the Leafs to calm things down defensively. Conversely, the Vancouver game is one that might encourage the same bad habits since by all right that game should be high-scoring.
The goal is to win the cup. Every team but one team in the playoffs will lose, but it's still infinitely better to have a chance than not have one at all.
There is zero good that comes from missing the playoffs. Only bad, and possibly catastrophic bad.
Torontonian
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On the plus side, majority of the signings we did in July are only 1 year deals.
But who are we kidding ourselves trying to say we are cup contenders with our D. It’s both coaching and personal. Teams that are serious about winning don’t look or play like how Toronto does..
Things are getting ugly here.
But who are we kidding ourselves trying to say we are cup contenders with our D. It’s both coaching and personal. Teams that are serious about winning don’t look or play like how Toronto does..
Things are getting ugly here.
Al14
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It means NOTHING if HIS team continues to LOSE !!! Him and his 3 other RICH buddies can't win ALL BY THEMSELVES. They take, and continue to take, too big a bite out of our salary cap.
Our team lacks the necessary skilled support players, especially on D. This is due to NOT ENOUGH cap space.
Except it's not due to cap space at all. We had plenty of cap space. We just used it wrong.
