Post-Game Talk: Predictable Outcome - Leafs Give Up 5+ on Home Ice, Lose

[Dekes For Days]

Standard useless lack of response.

On top of being a humourous way to point out your mistake, it's literally the answer to your question. Treliving had every option available to him. Every free agent goalie was an option. Every goalie on the trade block was an option. He wasn't locked into anything, he had plenty of cap space, and it was fully his choice how to approach the goaltending for his team.

He made the choice to sign Samsonov and go with a Samsonov-Woll tandem, and yet you're here still trying to blame somebody who had no input into that decision.

And this all ignores that goaltending has not been the main issue anyway.

 

[LaPlante94]

On top of being a humourous way to point out your mistake, it's literally the answer to your question. Treliving had every option available to him. Every free agent goalie was an option. Every goalie on the trade block was an option. He wasn't locked into anything, he had plenty of cap space, and it was fully his choice how to approach the goaltending for his team.

He made the choice to sign Samsonov and go with a Samsonov-Woll tandem, and yet you're here still trying to blame somebody who had no input into that decision.

And this all ignores that goaltending has not been the main issue anyway.

You don't think our goalies letting in 2 bad goals a game on average minus maybe like 2 or 3 games isn't the main issue?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You don't think our goalies letting in 2 bad goals a game on average minus maybe like 2 or 3 games isn't the main issue?

Our goalies have allowed 0.6 goals more than expected on the season. While not great, it's far from our main problem, and we've won through much worse in the past.
Our main problem has been signing a group of horrible defensive players to replace strong defensive players this past offseason, and plummeting down the defensive rankings.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

The entire core and the vast majority of the players who take up the leafs cap space is the same as last year. Sure the deck chairs have been moved but it's the same team.

 

[LaPlante94]

Our goalies have allowed 0.6 goals more than expected on the season. While not great, it's far from our main problem, and we've won through much worse in the past.
Our main problem has been signing a group of horrible defensive players to replace strong defensive players this past offseason, and plummeting down the defensive rankings.

You complained about depth scoring and how those same defensive players were useless for that reason. Tre came in and tried to fix that by bringing in more offensive guys and people are freaking out they aren't scoring at a 82 point pace 10 games into the season on a new team and system and with non stop line blenders. Defence is pretty much the exact same minus Klingberg. People say Timmins brings what he does offensively but he's also just as bad defensively and it's why Keefe didn't put him in the lineup at the end of last season. I'm sure after the Sweden trip maybe Timmins is ready to come back and they move on from Klingberg if his play doesn't improve, but people will probably complain about the same thing when it comes to Timmins playing defence. Our defence has also been banged up for almost every game and missing 2 of our top 4 guys. So i'd definitely say our goaltending letting in many soft goals has been our main problem and will continue to if Samsonov doesn't get better and Woll now having 2 bad games in a row.

 

[fahad203]

Games going to start at 8 isn't it ?

 

[Dekes For Days]

You complained about depth scoring and how those same defensive players were useless for that reason. Tre came in and tried to fix that by bringing in more offensive guys and people are freaking out they aren't scoring at a 82 point pace 10 games into the season on a new team and system and with non stop line blenders.

I didn't say anything about depth scoring, or any of this.
Treliving's additions didn't really improve our offense. We're just paying more for similar offense and way worse defensive play.

Defence is pretty much the exact same minus Klingberg.

Defensive results are about more than just defensemen. Pretty much everybody Treliving brought in in the offseason was a contender for worst defensive player in the league.

 

[LaPlante94]

I didn't say anything about depth scoring, or any of this.
Treliving's additions didn't really improve our offense. We're just paying more for similar offense and way worse defensive play.

Defensive results are about more than just defensemen. Pretty much everybody Treliving brought in in the offseason was a contender for worst defensive player in the league.

Hey look at that, another soft goal that our goalie lets in that will probably be blamed on our 4th line or defence.

 

[Gallagbi]

That ones in.

 

[Racer88]

Irrelevance to the discussion aside, Dubas' moves helped us become a top tier team.
Treliving took a top tier team, a core in their primes, more cap space, and more cheap internal help, and somehow turned us into a mid-tier team in one offseason.

A top tier team that wilted in the playoffs 7 years in a row is nothing for Dubas to put on his resume

We're losing because of decisions made over the last several years, that couldn't all be fixed in a short time last off season.

Agreed 100%

 

[Racer88]

I still think Dubas’ plan this season was to renovate starting with Matthews and Nylander. Once they figured that out their status they could move forward. I’ve always given Dubas credit for trying, but he mismanaged the rebuild and put them a very precarious position to ever want to become a legit Cup contender.
With Matthews signed for just 4 years they only have 2 years after this to build a competitive team and I have no confidence that Treliving will do the right thing.

I has zero confidence in a Treliving either. The need to quickly clean the entire management group out starting with Shanny but not limited to just him

they were a good defensive team as recently as last season

Yet they still crapped out in the playoffs……who’s fault was that?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Hi

 

[leafs in five]

Yet they still crapped out in the playoffs……who’s fault was that?

they were a good defensive team in the playoffs too

 

[Racer88]

they were a good defensive team in the playoffs too

Yet they still lost……….

 

[leafs in five]

oh no shit?

 

[notDatsyuk]

On top of being a humourous way to point out your mistake, it's literally the answer to your question. Treliving had every option available to him. Every free agent goalie was an option. Every goalie on the trade block was an option. He wasn't locked into anything, he had plenty of cap space, and it was fully his choice how to approach the goaltending for his team.

He made the choice to sign Samsonov and go with a Samsonov-Woll tandem, and yet you're here still trying to blame somebody who had no input into that decision.

And this all ignores that goaltending has not been the main issue anyway.

You're right - I made a mistake in actually expecting you to make a real response to support your vague statements.