Predict the Atlantic Standings

[Isaac Nootin]

What I'm saying is that in the context of that chart which was an entirely different stat, how is being 2 goals higher than expected, bad? It seems totally fine, other than the fact that he's ranked 68, but then we need to see how many goalies are ahead of him that played like less than 10 games because the chart seems disingenuous having so many guys with miniscule sample sizes on there.

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[topshelf15]

You are really infatuated with Florida as a Senators fan, but both Ekblad and Forsling are better than Chabot and Zub.

Zub and Chabot are better than Forsling and Ekblad I can do this too... and you dont have anywhere near a bluechip defender like Sanderson...So again where is Florida,s vaunted blueline depth as opposed to Ottawa,s???Your top 9 isnt close to ours,and you goaltenders are not better

Toronto, Florida, Tampa Bay, Boston, Ottawa, Detroit, Buffalo, Montreal. None of Ottawa, Detroit, or Buffalo gets to 90 points. Boston is closer to Tampa than most believe.


Literally every point here is wrong.

LOL....Top 9 Ottawa,goaltending equal...Defense equal or slight edge Ottawa

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Zub and Chabot are better than Forsling and Ekblad I can do this too... and you dont have anywhere near a bluechip defender like Sanderson...So again where is Florida,s vaunted blueline depth as opposed to Ottawa,s???Your top 9 isnt close to ours,and you goaltenders are not better


LOL....Top 9 Ottawa,goaltending equal...Defense equal or slight edge Ottawa

Difference is it's true that Ekblad and Forsling are better.

You were wrong last year about Ottawa having better depth than Florida but go on...
I think most would take Bob n Knight over your goaltending as well.

 

[topshelf15]

Difference is it's true that Ekblad and Forsling are better.

You were wrong last year about Ottawa having better depth than Florida but go on...
I think most would take Bob n Knight over your goaltending as well.

I called us failing when we lost white and Pinto for the season 5 games in......Forgot about that didnt you...Now you have White penciled in as your 3rd line ...Florida is prime to take a beating this season,as their defense forward depth and goaltending are all questionable apposed to last season

 

[BostonBruins11]

When did November become January in these boards? Bruins are losing Marchand and McAvoy for 20 odd games…while adding Lindholm and Krejci for 70-80 games.

There's so much Bruins hate that people love to exaggerate + half of the bruins "core" is young and in their prime. Same story every year for nearly a decade now

 

[JohnLennon]

1. Florida
2. Tampa
3. Toronto
4. Ottawa
5. Detroit
6. Buffalo
7. Boston
8. Montreal

I still love the Cats and Bolts, and I think Ottawa, Detroit and Buffalo all continue their rebuilds nicely. Boston will really struggle with those injuries, and Montreal is deep into a retool.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I called us failing when we lost white and Pinto for the season 5 games in......Forgot about that didnt you...Now you have White penciled in as your 3rd line ...Florida is prime to take a beating this season,as their defense forward depth and goaltending are all questionable apposed to last season

Ok..lines are set in late August, good to know
Make sure you let us know when they (Florida and Ottawa) fail again.

 

[Enga Olly]

Yeah I mean, Avs had sv% like that in the playoffs and won the cup. People always seem to post these stats, but Campbell was 0.914 in the playoffs, wasn't the reason you lost at the end of the season.

What I'm saying is that in the context of that chart which was an entirely different stat, how is being 2 goals higher than expected, bad? It seems totally fine, other than the fact that he's ranked 68, but then we need to see how many goalies are ahead of him that played like less than 10 games because the chart seems disingenuous having so many guys with miniscule sample sizes on there.

So no follow up and recognition/admission that you were wrong about JC's save % in the 2022 PO? .897 not .914. You should acknowledge your mistakes - goes to credibility

 

[topshelf15]

Ok..lines are set in late August, good to know
Make sure you let us know when they (Florida and Ottawa) fail again.

Lets see ,Ottawa was one of the team,s that suffered the most man games lost due to injury...FLD was one of the healtiest...Ottawa vastly improved their top 9 ,FLD has thinned theirs....Ottawa improved on their decent goalie in Forsberg by adding a second good goalie Talbot...Fld is running the same except hoping that Knight will make a step...Ottawa will be adding a bluechip defender in Sanderson .....To similar maybe better defenders in Chabot and Zub..while Fld traded away from their top 4 last season...Again anything can happen but FLD isnt as good as you seem to think they are by comparision

 

[North Cole]

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Yeah he's ranked about 12 on the list, which is not unexpected when you consider the heaters some of the guys get on in the playoffs.

Campbell had an .897 in the playoffs.

Yes apologies I was looking at his regular season number which was 0.914. Kind of puzzling that he was quite fine in the RS but you have shown month by month sv% of below 0.900. Maybe it's all the other goalies that were real bad?

Mediocre means like, middling. The Sabres had like two seasons where they were good and like 12 where they were absolutely terrible. They're not close to mediocre.

It's about provided value, not ability. If Vasilevskiy were to look like shit and put up an .890 save percentage next year, and then leave, you could reasonably say the Lightning shouldn't have moved him because Vasilevskiy is good and that was a weird fluke, but you couldn't really justify saying the Lightning should be worse than the year before based on losing him, because the year before hew as terrible. Doesn't really matter if the goalies ahead of him were in small samples, the teams got those values.

Anyway, I don't think Murray is very good but I don't know if any other team could replace a guy who was a 29 year old AHLer/backup until a year and a half ago with a 28 year old with two Cup rings and get criticized for it, but here we are.



The real killer thing is that Vasilevskiy sucked too. Meanwhile, against Montreal he played well, and Carey Price played like Patrick Roy.

Of course and that consistency is why he's paid the way he is. Would Smith then have been the most valuable goalie in the playoffs because he was making 2M bucks and was 8th on those stats above, while playing more games than some of the guys ahead of him?

They get criticized for your exact explanation above - what is the provided value of a sub 0.900 goaltender that plays 20 games?

Campbell provided a decent amount of value in game 7 if sample size is not being judged, he had a 0.920, it just happened that Vasi was insane - which again - you expect. Relatively you would expect more consistent elite play from Vasi whereas you expect average or below average from Campbell. In games where they are both below average and Campbell is worse, I think you would take that trade 10/10 and need to find a way to convert those games into a series lead. I mean, Quick was insane in game 7, but we found a way to get 2 goals by him and get the win. The team gets the value but the question really is, can the team take advantage of the value.

So no follow up and recognition/admission that you were wrong about JC's save % in the 2022 PO? .897 not .914. You should acknowledge your mistakes - goes to credibility

Done. You might want to wait for a reply. Will you also take this credibility argument up with the poster that didn't answer my question and instead posted some other stats?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Lets see ,Ottawa was one of the team,s that suffered the most man games lost due to injury...FLD was one of the healtiest...Ottawa vastly improved their top 9 ,FLD has thinned theirs....Ottawa improved on their decent goalie in Forsberg by adding a second good goalie Talbot...Fld is running the same except hoping that Knight will make a step...Ottawa will be adding a bluechip defender in Sanderson .....To similar maybe better defenders in Chabot and Zub..while Fld traded away from their top 4 last season...Again anything can happen but FLD isnt as good as you seem to think they are by comparision

Define one of the healthiest?
See all those playoff teams to the left side of the pic below?



Barkov missed 15 games
Lundell missed 17 games
Ekblad missed 21 games
Marchment missed 28 games

Still finished atop the league.

Any sane Florida fan will tell you we will take a step back, we had a crazy good regular season in 2021-22.
But most expect a playoff spot with a wildcard spot at worst.

You haven't really convinced me of Ottawa having better goaltending depth or better all around defense. Bobrovsky was a top 10 goalie all year.
Forward depth is closer and I actually may give you the advantage there.

 

[Jorge Garcia]

I called us failing when we lost white and Pinto for the season 5 games in......Forgot about that didnt you...Now you have White penciled in as your 3rd line ...Florida is prime to take a beating this season,as their defense forward depth and goaltending are all questionable apposed to last season

Ottawa was dominated by one opponent only last year, and that was COVID. They went 1-10-1 in November, when they were sick and no one else was. Outside of that month, they were pretty much a .500 team.

 

[topshelf15]

Ottawa was dominated by one opponent only last year, and that was COVID. They went 1-10-1 in November, when they were sick and no one else was. Outside of that month, they were pretty much a .500 team.

Losing White and Pinto which were our number 2 and 3 centers 5 games in for the season,had an immediate impact...This coupled with serious injuries to Batherson,Norris Chabot killed any hope for us being more than what we were...The top teams were the healthiest the bottom ones were not,this 30 games better should be taken with a huge grain of salt

 

[SPLBRUIN]

1. Florida
2. Tampa
3. Toronto
4. Ottawa
5. Detroit
6. Buffalo
7. Boston
8. Montreal

I still love the Cats and Bolts, and I think Ottawa, Detroit and Buffalo all continue their rebuilds nicely. Boston will really struggle with those injuries, and Montreal is deep into a retool.

Hilarious to think that teams with losing cultures like Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are going to finish ahead of Boston. The Bruins are clearly better then last year when fully healthy with Krejci and Lindholm and they were light years ahead of those teams. The Bruins may get off to a semi slow start but when healthy they are going to be right up their with TB, Florida and TO, there is a considerable gap between the top 4 and the rest.

 

[topshelf15]

Define one of the healthiest?
See all those playoff teams to the left side of the pic below?

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Barkov missed 15 games
Lundell missed 17 games
Ekblad missed 21 games
Marchment missed 28 games

Still finished atop the league.

Any sane Florida fan will tell you we will take a step back, we had a crazy good regular season in 2021-22.
But most expect a playoff spot with a wildcard spot at worst.

You haven't really convinced me of Ottawa having better goaltending depth or better all around defense. Bobrovsky was a top 10 goalie all year.
Forward depth is closer and I actually may give you the advantage there.

And you havent convinced me about FLD being better at defense or goaltending....But aside from that Losing your 2nd and third line center for the season 5 games in ..

Pinto gone for season 5 games in
White out for season lost in preaseason
Batherson 36 games lost
Chabot 23 games lost
Norris 16
Brown 18
Paul 23

Again FLD wasnt a 30 point better team if we are healthy...Montreal and Detroit were even worse when it came to man games lost...So again the teams on top are not 30 points better in reality...

Hilarious to think that teams with losing cultures like Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are going to finish ahead of Boston. The Bruins are clearly better then last year when fully healthy with Krejci and Lindholm and they were light years ahead of those teams. The Bruins may get off to a semi slow start but when healthy they are going to be right up their with TB, Florida and TO, there is a considerable gap between the top 4 and the rest.

Losing cultures tend to go hand in hand with how good the players on each team actually are also Boston is about to find out about injuries...Something Ottawa ,Montreal and Detroit all had to deal with alot last season

 

[wintersej]

Losing cultures tend to go hand in hand with how good the players on each team actually are also Boston is about to find out about injuries...Something Ottawa ,Montreal and Detroit all had to deal with alot last season

Last season was the first time McAvoy had played more than 67 games. Marchand missed 12 games last year with injury. Yes they are both going to miss 20 something games. The Bruins will be fine. You know why? Krejci and Lindholm only played 10 games combined last season for the Bruins. Are those guys as good as McAvoy and Marchand? Hell no. But the Bruins will tread water just fine with Krejci and Lindholm.

 

[Ezekial]

Last season was the first time McAvoy had played more than 67 games. Marchand missed 12 games last year with injury. Yes they are both going to miss 20 something games. The Bruins will be fine. You know why? Krejci and Lindholm only played 10 games combined last season for the Bruins. Are those guys as good as McAvoy and Marchand? Hell no. But the Bruins will tread water just fine with Krejci and Lindholm.

We're injecting an entire new second line into our lineup with Copp Perron and healthy Vrana as well as being able to keep Bert-Larkin-Raymond together all season because our forward depth isn't dog meat. Also we replaced one of the statistically worst goalies in the league with not one of the statistically worst goalies in the league in our goalie tandem.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

1. Toronto - great reg season team
2. Tampa - core intact, theyll be solid
3. Florida - less good but still playoff team
4. Detroit - barely sneaks in
5. Ottawa (misses by 2 pts)
6. Boston (cant recover from missing stars first few months)
7. Buffalo - 1 more year of tanking
8. MTL - goaltending/defense still pretty awful

the will eliminate in game 7, Canada lifts vax requirements and Bertuzzi will score the game winning goal

 

[GOALOFSSON]

Hilarious to think that teams with losing cultures like Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit

Not sure that applies to Buffalo anymore

7. Buffalo - 1 more year of tanking

What are you even saying lmao

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Not sure that applies to Buffalo anymore




What are you even saying lmao

What's happened to alter that perception? Decent stretch to end the season? Tuch for a whole year?

 

[Ace]

What's happened to alter that perception? Decent stretch to end the season? Tuch for a whole year?

Maybe an understanding of what the word tanking means.

Oh you meant the first part. Maybe the complete change in attitude off the ice to go along with those results on the ice. If you’re talking about culture it’s a complete 180 in how that room operates and feels now that captain shithead had taken his body language to the next franchise to ruin.

 

[topshelf15]

Last season was the first time McAvoy had played more than 67 games. Marchand missed 12 games last year with injury. Yes they are both going to miss 20 something games. The Bruins will be fine. You know why? Krejci and Lindholm only played 10 games combined last season for the Bruins. Are those guys as good as McAvoy and Marchand? Hell no. But the Bruins will tread water just fine with Krejci and Lindholm.

Maybe I guess we will see ,but the bottom teams are not 30 points worse...As most are saying ,they will be a new team or two in the playoffs this season as with every other year...So someone will miss when they are expecting to get in

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

the will eliminate in game 7, Canada lifts vax requirements and Bertuzzi will score the game winning goal

I am quite sure that with the change in the rules a couple of months ago, Bertuzzi can play all the games in Canada since he's a Canadian citizen. The problem is getting back to the USA, even by land.

 

[David Suzuki]

Toronto
Tampa
Florida
Ottawa
Detroit
Buffalo
Boston
Montreal

 

[Matt Ress]

Lets see ,Ottawa was one of the team,s that suffered the most man games lost due to injury...FLD was one of the healtiest...Ottawa vastly improved their top 9 ,FLD has thinned theirs....Ottawa improved on their decent goalie in Forsberg by adding a second good goalie Talbot...Fld is running the same except hoping that Knight will make a step...Ottawa will be adding a bluechip defender in Sanderson .....To similar maybe better defenders in Chabot and Zub..while Fld traded away from their top 4 last season...Again anything can happen but FLD isnt as good as you seem to think they are by comparision

My mind narrated the rest of the post in Joe Pesci's voice after I read "healtiest"