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nine_inch_fang

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All the wide open chances Smith has had this season without a goal and now he's scored on two tip-ins. Last night's goal probably took one off the board for Parssinen, that puck seemed to be going in anyway because the goalie had no clue where it was.
 

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Pärssinen is a ppg player in the last 12 games,(2g-10a) I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up to the 2nd line with Joey and nino and move sissons back to center and put granlund on the wing or put granlund with Novak
 

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Since that addition of Novak the team is 12-5-2. That's a pretty good stretch, 110ish point pace over a season but more importantly continuing that pace for the rest of the season puts them squarely in the playoffs.

You can't just throw away the poor beginning of the season but we can look at what tangible changes have been made that are yielding the results. As Trig pointed out earlier the young centers have changed this team, fussing about who gets what assignment and pared with whom aside, they are all producing points and helping this team win.

When Novak first came up, and it became the three musketeers, that's when the demotions for "the core" started. The wins may not have always be pretty and some of the loses were demoralizing but the overall record is a real thing.

The team we're seeing now doesn't happen without the demotions. These players just don't seem to get it until you take their icetime and special PP1 status away for a while. Whether these knuckleheads will sustain this type of play remains to be seen but you would think the positive feedback they're getting from the last three games would be a motivating factor. They've got to enjoy this much more than October and November.
Past 5 games for the young Cs
Novak - 3A
Parssinen - 3A
Glass - 3G 2A

Also fun to note:
C Smith - 2G 1A

Pärssinen is a ppg player in the last 12 games,(2g-10a) I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up to the 2nd line with Joey and nino and move sissons back to center and put granlund on the wing or put granlund with Novak
Has Joey ever played significant time at wing? That could be a line thats pretty good at puck management

Pärssinen is a ppg player in the last 12 games,(2g-10a) I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up to the 2nd line with Joey and nino and move sissons back to center and put granlund on the wing or put granlund with Novak
Has Joey ever played significant time at wing? That could be a line thats pretty good at puck management
 

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Pärssinen is a ppg player in the last 12 games,(2g-10a) I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up to the 2nd line with Joey and nino and move sissons back to center and put granlund on the wing or put granlund with Novak
If he's a PPG player and helping the team win why change things? All of the lines are producing, leave them alone.
 
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I'm having fun watching this team again. They're playing with confidence and with some jam and it is starting to show. The last few games, it has not only been Saros that has led the team to victory.
The last two games have been some of the best offensive games we've strung together probably in quite some time.

Tons of shots, chances, rushes in both. The expected goals in the two games- 5.25 and 5.92

We completely dominated two solid playoff teams. Last night the moneypuck deserve to win meter was 83.8% Preds. We rarely have those types of games and we had two back to back.

Now lets see if we can keep doing it.....
 

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Pärssinen is a ppg player in the last 12 games,(2g-10a) I wouldn’t mind seeing him moved up to the 2nd line with Joey and nino and move sissons back to center and put granlund on the wing or put granlund with Novak
The line combinations are a bit more fluid during the game. In the bottom 6, there is some shuffling where Sissons goes back to C with Trenin and Jeannot at W for multiple shifts. This shelters Smith, Parssinen, and Novak.

Meanwhile in the top 6, there can be in-game adjustments with Duchene playing either with Johansen or Glass. The line juggling in the top 6 has settled down greatly now that Hynes and/or Glass have agreed that he's a top 6 center who needs to be on the ice and has been effective there.
 

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Yeah these past three games we have looked like a team that could beat anyone. Prior to that we were getting some wins but we were heavily relying on Saros so it didn't feel particularly sustainable. I like many others have been critical of Hynes but I think calling the players meeting and making them hash it out clearly has changed the mentality of this team so he deserves some praise there. If we can keep playing like this I feel like we could actually make a run in the playoffs.

On a lineup note I agree that I wouldn't mess with any of our forward lines right now as they've all been playing well. Part of what made us dominate so much last night was that every line was generating scoring chances (as evidenced by everyone except Trenin and Nino having a point) whereas they basically had to have Hughes on the ice to generate any offense. If we're going to be successful I really think we need scoring throughout the lineup and things are working really well right now. If that stops being the case then I'd mix things up, but as for now no complaints from me for once.
 

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In looking at the West standings, what is really crazy is how close we are to some of the teams above us.

If we win our games in hand, we could be just 5 points behind Winnipeg. All year, at least for me, it has felt like the Jets have had a fantastic year and ours has been terrible, but yet we are still within striking distance of them.

And pretty much the same for the Wild- we are one point behind them (Wild with a game in hand)

So finishing top 3 in division is still a possibility, which seems hard to believe.

We are also within striking distance of just about all of the Pacific division teams. Which again feels crazy- I mean, the Kraken are one of the biggest stories of the season and yet we are only 7 points behind them. Doubtful we will catch them but it is still possible.

Basically it looks like there are 10 teams fighting for 8 slots. Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
 

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With only LA, in the West, having another game before the break the standings are pretty interesting.

Looking at the loses column all of the competing teams are close to equal around that 18 mark. Seattle at 15 and Dallas at 13 are leading their divisions and a step in front of the othe 8 teams, Dallas once again has a high number of OTL that elevate their place in the standings, strange how they manage that every year. On the other end of the spectrum StL going into the break with 5 straight loses now has 25 on the season and have a very steep hill to climb now being at .480 points percentage with only 31 games to go.

The way I look at the standings, the Preds are in the thick of the hunt with a .562 P% that has been climbing and are 5-2-0 since the midway point of the season. I know people love scoreboard watching to try and figure out if you're going to make the playoffs but for me it comes down to simple points percentage and not reliant on the rollercoaster of scoreboard watching. If the team can continue a .650 pace for the remaining 34 games they will be at 98 points which is .600 for the season, usually a good bet to be in the playoffs. Anything above that is just a cushion and could possibly get them into a divisional slot rather than WC. Not that a divisional slot is realistic at this point since the team would have to finish out the schedule with close to .800 to get there but finishing out the season at a .650-.700 means that the team is coming together and playing good hockey at the right time of year and stand to havr a good chance as a WC upset...unlike last season where they were faltering down the stretch playing only .500 hockey and losing their starting goalie.

Going to be a fun ride the next 10 weeks.
 

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Catching up on podcasts today and heard something of note. A couple of the guys said that they had it from credible sources that Hynes was on the verge of losing the locker room completely running up to “The meeting”. Will be interesting to see how things go over the next few weeks.
 

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Catching up on podcasts today and heard something of note. A couple of the guys said that they had it from credible sources that Hynes was on the verge of losing the locker room completely running up to “The meeting”. Will be interesting to see how things go over the next few weeks.
Actually heard the same thing. Also of note, the day of the St Louis game, Hynes had meeting with the team, that he led. The next day, was the meeting led by the players, not by Hynes.
 
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I wonder how often these things ever truly "heal"? In my work experience, if a manager "loses the room", it's likely s/he has lost it forever. Mostly because it's rare for adults to truly change very much. We might make a concerted effort to meet a certain deadline, or appreciate a new habit of pizza lunches, or whatever adjustment, in the short term. Long term, though, nobody forgets what went before. And the manager usually reverts to form eventually.

But anyway, I would say if anybody was going to be aware of any imminence of Hynes "losing the room" it had better be Poile. And if Poile ever became aware of this, I don't think he could have kept Hynes around. That's a point of no return. I also don't know how you "almost completely" lose the room. You lose it or you don't. If any significant number of players/team leaders have started to have doubts, it's already lost. Otherwise you maybe have one or two malcontents instead of it being a case of "losing the room"? There's usually one or two malcontents in any group. :dunno:
 

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I can see Duchene being one of the "lost" players. He's been on that side of the ledger basically from the jump because he wasn't playing center. If he's not getting his minutes and his dedicated PP1 time he seems like he'd be a bit fussy.
 

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I can see Duchene being one of the "lost" players. He's been on that side of the ledger basically from the jump because he wasn't playing center. If he's not getting his minutes and his dedicated PP1 time he seems like he'd be a bit fussy.
It's harder to list the guys who must be thrilled with the way this season has gone. Smith. Saros? Maybe Parssinen, although even he could have his head on a swivel.
 

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I wonder how often these things ever truly "heal"? In my work experience, if a manager "loses the room", it's likely s/he has lost it forever. Mostly because it's rare for adults to truly change very much. We might make a concerted effort to meet a certain deadline, or appreciate a new habit of pizza lunches, or whatever adjustment, in the short term. Long term, though, nobody forgets what went before. And the manager usually reverts to form eventually.

But anyway, I would say if anybody was going to be aware of any imminence of Hynes "losing the room" it had better be Poile. And if Poile ever became aware of this, I don't think he could have kept Hynes around. That's a point of no return. I also don't know how you "almost completely" lose the room. You lose it or you don't. If any significant number of players/team leaders have started to have doubts, it's already lost. Otherwise you maybe have one or two malcontents instead of it being a case of "losing the room"? There's usually one or two malcontents in any group. :dunno:
Maybe its more of a "Poile obviously gonna stick by him and we are miserable sucking so lets give it our all in this crappy system and see what happens."
 

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It's harder to list the guys who must be thrilled with the way this season has gone. Smith. Saros? Maybe Parssinen, although even he could have his head on a swivel.
Or maybe the eight million dollar babies need to grow up and start playing better so the whole team can enjoy a successful season? Remember at the beginning of the season when people were fussing that the top players weren't getting benched for screwing up? And now it's horrible coaching that the top players mad about their icetime getting cut? Which do we want, the country club where players are always happy or accountability where lazy/selfish player lose icetime?

Glass seems to be doing just fine. Both he and the coaches have talked about his confidence issues earlier in the season and how he had to work through them. Yet, here it's all this stuff about Cody being better in spite of the coaching staff when Cody himself gives them credit. Here, it's a story about Hynes lying to the media about the path Cody took when Cody himself confirms this path in the media.

Coaches and systems don't make shitty passes, drop good passes, skate into 1v4 situations in the Nzone just to turn the puck iver and give up a breakaway, watch opponents score goals without lifting a finger to help in the Dzone, cry about not getting icetime when playing like shit, and overall just in general be mentally checked out.

If there really was a team meeting held by Hynes before the StL game that had a "you all have to play like you give a shit if you want to win" type message that fell on deaf ears, I'd put money on the message that Johansen had for the players was basically the same damn thing only it was also an admission of guilt and a request to the coaching staff to put the $8M guys back in their top 6 rolls with their dedicated PP1 status. Essentially the same thing that happened summer of 21 before they all had career years then got comfortable and lazy again.

Hynes may never win a cup or amount to any more than what we've seen so far but to act like this set of top players are victims of his bad coaching is just foolish. You can see examples every single game and during the bad games it's every single shift that these top players are out to lunch and letting their teammates down.
 
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Or maybe the eight million dollar babies need to grow up and start playing better so the whole team can enjoy a successful season? Remember at the beginning of the season when people were fussing that the top players weren't getting benched for screwing up? And now it's horrible coaching that the top players mad about their icetime getting cut? Which do we want, the country club where players are always happy or accountability where lazy/selfish player lose icetime?

Glass seems to be doing just fine. Both he and the coaches have talked about his confidence issues earlier in the season and how he had to work through them. Yet, here it's all this stuff about Cody being better in spite of the coaching staff when Cody himself gives them credit. Here, it's a story about Hynes lying to the media about the path Cody took when Cody himself confirms this path in the media.

Coaches and systems don't make shitty passes, drop good passes, skate into 1v4 situations in the Nzone just to turn the puck iver and give up a breakaway, watch opponents score goals without lifting a finger to help in the Dzone, cry about not getting icetime when playing like shit, and overall just in general be mentally checked out.

If there really was a team meeting held by Hynes before the StL game that had a "you all have to play like you give a shit if you want to win" type message that fell on deaf ears, I'd put money on the message that Johansen had for the players was basically the same damn thing only it was also an admission of guilt and a request to the coaching staff to put the $8M guys back in their top 6 rolls with their dedicated PP1 status. Essentially the same thing that happened summer of 21 before they all had career years then got comfortable and lazy again.

Hynes may never win a cup or amount to any more than what we've seen so far but to act like this set of top players are victims of his bad coaching is just foolish. You can see examples every single game and during the bad games it's every single shift that these top players are out to lunch and letting their teammates down.
Sounds like the “leadership” group aren’t very good leaders. If the players are getting lazy and comfortable and not playing well and the leadership group isn’t addressing that immediately, then maybe they need to find me leaders.
 

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Sounds like the “leadership” group aren’t very good leaders. If the players are getting lazy and comfortable and not playing well and the leadership group isn’t addressing that immediately, then maybe they need to find me leaders.
Many of the veteran leaders are the problem and have been for years. Bit of a catch 22 when they're the most experienced players leading a transitional team trying to get younger and more dynamic while locked into contracts that prevent moving the problem out.
 

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I guess I ignored the meeting due to the apathy I get when we are sucking wind.

You hear about these "closed door/players only" meetings all the time(in multiple sports). My general impression is that it rarely ever produces long term change because the underlying issues are usually more than a good bitch session can fix.

This one seems to have worked so far, but gonna have to see this improved play sustained for the rest of the season for me to believe it actually worked.
 

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I guess I ignored the meeting due to the apathy I get when we are sucking wind.

You hear about these "closed door/players only" meetings all the time(in multiple sports). My general impression is that it rarely ever produces long term change because the underlying issues are usually more than a good bitch session can fix.

This one seems to have worked so far, but gonna have to see this improved play sustained for the rest of the season for me to believe it actually worked.
Agreed, it is interesting though that having the players pledge to start being accountable to each other and play the game properly has yielded such positive results. No systems or coaching changes, just a good ole fashioned come to Jesus meeting.

Hopefully it has a lasting effect.
 
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