Predators Hockey Discussion 22-23

[101st_fan]

I think Lauzon can be better than what we're seeing, and really might already be better than what he gets credit for. There are a lot of good parts to his game, they just get over looked because of the untimely gaffes he seems to have once or twice a period. He can hit along the boards and in open ice against the rush. He has good leverage and edge control in board battles. His decision making around the net and his net front defense (sorting out the confusion) is where I see him needing the most work.

Edit: Didn't see this before I posted.

Looks like we're thinking the same thing.

Hopefully the combination of a steady partner and not having being stuck in a pressbox rotation with Boro can help Lauzon settle his game down and progress.

 

[101st_fan]

Fiala has literally got 20 goals in every season since being traded besides his 1st year. By using fiala one could argue that we hold potential star forwards back from reaching their full offensive potential with the “system” we force upon them by trying to make them “complete” players

He literally grew into a 20 goal scorer while a Pred. One could just as easily argue that it took him a couple years post draft to grow into a 20 goal scorer. Funny how you bypass every other player mentioned ... the total lack of defenders in the pipeline that undermines the entire premise that the Preds are developing blueliners so well ... or that Fiala was during the Lavy years which weren't exactly known for their defensive focus. Hell, even Craig Smith became a consistent 20+ goal scorer with the Preds after his 4th round selection.

 

[triggrman]

I said at the time of the trade Fabbro might be the biggest benefactor of the McDonagh trade but Lauzon might be close.

Prior to McDonagh we haven’t had a shutdown defender outside of Ekholm, and Ekholm benefits greatly by his size and reach. McDonagh reads the play. This is what Fabbro and Lauzon are both learning how to do and no better way to learn than to get to play with someone that does it consistently.

 

[tymed]

If jeannot ever going to return to a 20 goal form or was it flash in a pan?

 

[cool beans]

If jeannot ever going to return to a 20 goal form or was it flash in a pan?

He’s playing fine honestly. Just the whole team has sucked for the most part. Still to early to tell tho

 

[nine_inch_fang]

If jeannot ever going to return to a 20 goal form or was it flash in a pan?

I think he can, right now he's in his sophomore year and trying to figure out a pace he can sustain throughout a complete season but still be aggressive enough to do the things that made him successful through the first 50-60 games last year.


Or, just so I fit in around here. The team sucks because the coach sucks so we probably won't know until the coach is fired.

 

[ShagDaddy]

So……. How much does a top 6 Center get in trade at the deadline?

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Honestly I would've waived Joey over Tolvanen. I don't care that he scored last night. His penalties this season have been absolute back breakers. Dude needs to be sent a message.

Less of a chance anyone claims him too because no one has cap space. Play chess not checkers.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Honestly I would've waived Joey over Tolvanen. I don't care that he scored last night. His penalties this season have been absolute back breakers. Dude needs to be sent a message.

Less of a chance anyone claims him too because no one has cap space. Play chess not checkers.

Waiving him won't help since he won't get claimed and it will just basically hang a big sign out that we think he sucks and are desperate to get rid of him. Which tanks any other potential for moving him.

I would still try the trade with $3M retention first, at the deadline. Then contemplate the buyout. You have to waive a guy before buying him out anyway, so that's really the only time we get to the point of waivers with him. If we get there. Still 50 games to see what transpires with everything else, of course.

 

[LCPreds]

Hmmm

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Hmmm

Eh, I don't know if it's just penny-pinching or what, but if they are off for 4 days and they want to bank whatever that pro-rates to of his Cap hit, like 2% of $750k is almost nothing on the Cap... but $15,000 is probably a pretty nice paycheque boost to a guy with an $80,000 minor league salary, so it would seem a little unnecessarily Scrooge-like to me, to a player who has performed very well during his callup.

 

[Armourboy]

What's that you played well? No bonus for you!

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

What's that you played well? No bonus for you!

Could be a short-term cap saving transaction since we have a few days off?

 

[101st_fan]

Novak only makes sense as a cap space move.

The idea of waiving Joey rather than Tolvanen really demonstrates how much people here latch on to names rather than performance or hockey reality.

 

[Scoresberg]

Cap move, nothing else - move on.

 

[PredsV82]

Hmmm

Hopefully this is just to get a couple games in with the Ads while the Preds are on a break?

Cant imagine it's because of his play...

Edit... cap move, didnt think of that

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Cap move, nothing else - move on.

But per my post above it is an almost inconsequential Cap move relative to Novak’s paycheque hit… so worth criticizing.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Every penny at the trade deadline can pick up a player 4 times the value. eg: say you have 1.9 million of cap at the TDL which (usually) is the 3/4th mark for contracts. If, you are buying that is a single player of 7.6 million or pick up 7.6 million dollars would of cap. OR if you are selling, you can play kingmaker, eat contracts for a pick. Novak equals about $4,054 a day in cap space. Using the above metric that is $16,216 a day he is off the cap. 4 days, $64,864. By having him in Milwaukee on a paper transaction for 4 days that gives the Preds ability to act on nearly $65k worth of contract. Does it suck for Novak? Yup. For 4 days, he goes from 750K to 80K. His pay goes from $4,054 a day to around $500 a day. (for me, sure! For him, poo.)

 

[Armourboy]

Or the organization could just throw a guy a bone for playing well? We can't even win against a beat up Avs team, who cares about cap space.

 

[BigFatCat999]

Or the organization could just throw a guy a bone for playing well? We can't even win against a beat up Avs team, who cares about cap space.

Every GM. Per 32 thoughts GMs WANT to make a trade but contending teams don't have the cap space to MAKE a trade

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Every penny at the trade deadline can pick up a player 4 times the value. eg: say you have 1.9 million of cap at the TDL which (usually) is the 3/4th mark for contracts. If, you are buying that is a single player of 7.6 million or pick up 7.6 million dollars would of cap. OR if you are selling, you can play kingmaker, eat contracts for a pick. Novak equals about $4,054 a day in cap space. Using the above metric that is $16,216 a day he is off the cap. 4 days, $64,864. By having him in Milwaukee on a paper transaction for 4 days that gives the Preds ability to act on nearly $65k worth of contract. Does it suck for Novak? Yup. For 4 days, he goes from 750K to 80K. His pay goes from $4,054 a day to around $500 a day. (for me, sure! For him, poo.)

Exactly. The Cap savings are utterly inconsequential and we should not be so cheap. $4054 a day compared to $500 a day is enormous for the player and nothing to the team. Just before Christmas. I deplore this unnecessary cheapness.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

That $65k of cap space is really going to come in handy when Poile overpays for a player at the deadline to try and make the playoffs.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

That $65k of cap space is really going to come in handy when Poile overpays for a player at the deadline to try and make the playoffs.

Should have sent Parssinen down too so we could REALLY load up at the deadline.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

Waiving him won't help since he won't get claimed and it will just basically hang a big sign out that we think he sucks and are desperate to get rid of him. Which tanks any other potential for moving him.

I would still try the trade with $3M retention first, at the deadline. Then contemplate the buyout. You have to waive a guy before buying him out anyway, so that's really the only time we get to the point of waivers with him. If we get there. Still 50 games to see what transpires with everything else, of course.

I think everyone already got that when we left him exposed during the expansion draft

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think everyone already got that when we left him exposed during the expansion draft

Except he did have a nice bounce back season last year.

Now we don’t think he just flat out sucks or is worthless. Just we dare to hope maybe we’ve FINALLY developed some centres who might be able to replace him. We have never had that before.