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PuckLuck3043 said:
TBF other teams struggle with this also. You just don't root for those teams.
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yeah, other bad teams.

We also fail to get open in scoring areas. Chytil did today, but that was the one off. We are poor at creating passing lanes/shooting lanes. Legs stop moving

I feel like it's rudimentary hockey but this team really struggles with it
 
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The Rangers are still quick on the trigger relative to the rest of the league, but it is interesting to see a 1OA draft pick play like he's Dryden Vesey for years without any panicked team media chatter or any chance that they were ever going to sell high on Kreider after he scored 52 goals.
 
I don't get the kids anymore.

Kakko is the worst NHLer. Then he's good. Then he's bad. Then he's good but limited points.

Laffy is a weak #1. Then he shows promise. One of the Playoffs best forwards.. now he's showing skills of a bottom6er

It's frustrating to say the least.
 
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Trouba has been better but it's still not good enough.

Mika is putting up points, but he's not been good enough. Flubbing a lot of potential chances. Missing the net. I expect Stamkos type of one-timers. Maybe practice could work?

Panarin seems to have been drinking heavily with his dad the past week.

Trocheck is snakebitten. His goals will start to come in bunches

FOX AND PANARIN MUST SHOOT ON THE PP. It's an absolute necessity.
 
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duhmetreE said:
I don't get the kids anymore.

Kakko is the worst NHLer. Then he's good. Then he's bad. Then he's good but limited points.

Laffy is a weak #1. Then he shows promise. One of the Playoffs best forwards.. now he's showing skills of a bottom6er

It's frustrating to say the least.
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It’s almost as if it’s a confidence issue

And this organization consistently has problems with confidence issues of its young forwards

I wonder why that is
 
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blinknyr182 said:
yes i didnt say he hasnt been good but hes not producing and that was they key to this season secondary scoring from him and laf and it's non existent small steps for him are for sure positive but right now it means nothing
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It actually means plenty. Kakko is starting to get some points and I believe his game will only get better and the points will come. Im also not giving up on a 1OA pick that just turned 21. People continue to forget that both of these kids get very little to no PP time. If they did their offensive numbers would be considerably better.
 
PuckLuck3043 said:
It actually means plenty. Kakko is starting to get some points and I believe his game will only get better and the points will come. Im also not giving up on a 1OA pick that just turned 21. People continue to forget that both of these kids get very little to no PP time. If they did their offensive numbers would be considerably better.
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Just look at what Kirby Dach is doing in Montreal right now

If the usage and level of responsibility changes, the confidence can too
 
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duhmetreE said:
I mean the ridiculous turn around from Caufield shows you everything you need to see.
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The question is, are we willing to potentially put the team in a short term pickle for the sake of developing the youngsters?

I’m not sure a Dolan-owned team will ever make the correct decision on that one
 
Zero Way Center said:
The Rangers are still quick on the trigger relative to the rest of the league, but it is interesting to see a 1OA draft pick play like he's Dryden Vesey for years without any panicked team media chatter or any chance that they were ever going to sell high on Kreider after he scored 52 goals.
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It's OT to their play, but I kind of wonder what it's all been like for Laf and Kakko.
I assume that when you know you are going to be a very early pick you have a mindset about what comes next. How you'll be treated, how you'll interact with the team and the fans, what the media will be like etc, etc.
There's heaps of hype for top-3 picks and them being the 'savior'. Add to that the hype about NYC and it becomes massive.
Then, depending on whether you are KK or Laf most or all of the following happens around them:
- sign one of the best wingers in the game
- draft a player with an even higher pick
- see the league shut down
- play in front of no fans
- have one of the best d-men in the game arrive at your team and win a Norris
- have your goalie win the Vezina and be in Hart consideration
- make the ECF
and all of that seems to have happened with very little lasting hype, media scrutiny or 'all hail the saviors' fan service about you.
It's gotta be a bit surreal based on their probable thought immediately prior to and after being drafted
 
duhmetreE said:
Trouba has been better but it's still not good enough.

Mika is putting up points, but he's not been good enough. Flubbing a lot of potential chances. Missing the net. I expect Stamkos type of one-timers. Maybe practice could work?

Panarin seems to have been drinking heavily with his dad the past week.

Trocheck is snakebitten. His goals will start to come in bunches

FOX AND PANARIN MUST SHOOT ON THE PP. It's an absolute necessity.
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These guys can't be perfect. Mika has 9 goals and 18 points and Panarin has 21 points in 16 games. They both have produced. The problem is the team has gotten very little scoring from the bottom 6 but maybe that changes with the kid line as the 3rd line. I disagree about Mika's one timer. It is one of the best in the league. I do agree that Fox and Panarin should shoot more and not be so predictable.
 
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mike14 said:
It's OT to their play, but I kind of wonder what it's all been like for Laf and Kakko.
I assume that when you know you are going to be a very early pick you have a mindset about what comes next. How you'll be treated, how you'll interact with the team and the fans, what the media will be like etc, etc.
There's heaps of hype for top-3 picks and them being the 'savior'. Add to that the hype about NYC and it becomes massive.
Then, depending on whether you are KK or Laf most or all of the following happens around them:
- sign one of the best wingers in the game
- draft a player with an even higher pick
- see the league shut down
- play in front of no fans
- have one of the best d-men in the game arrive at your team and win a Norris
- have your goalie win the Vezina and be in Hart consideration
- make the ECF
and all of that seems to have happened with very little lasting hype, media scrutiny or 'all hail the saviors' fan service about you.
It's gotta be a bit surreal based on their probable thought immediately prior to and after being drafted
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You forgot the point about watching the talented youngsters on defense playing awful early in their careers but never be given less responsibility, which then allows their development to flourish over time. All while the opposite happens to you
 
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PuckLuck3043 said:
It actually means plenty. Kakko is starting to get some points and I believe his game will only get better and the points will come. Im also not giving up on a 1OA pick that just turned 21. People continue to forget that both of these kids get very little to no PP time. If they did their offensive numbers would be considerably better.
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I completely agree any positives are a good sign and no way am I saying give up on them or they are busts if anything the more the vets don't produce the more responsibilities they should get I'm just saying their little improvements mean nothing as far as this season has been concerned so far
 
The Rangers best forward this year at 5v5 has been Fil and we've talked extensively about how well Kakko has played. My biggest issue is Lafreniere because I don't really see it with him. I thought the first 2 or 3 games he was showing flashes but those have largely disappeared. Someone brought it up before that no one is scoring at 5v5 and that's true, but again it's not just about the points, where are the flashes of elite talent or skills that will eventually translate to points? It's not there and that's the problem.
 
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SnowblindNYR said:
2014-15 Rangers were a .500 team in December finished with 113 points and Presidents' Trophy.
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I remember. I hope the same thing happens this year although I doubt it. Usually in most years being in playoff position on Thanksgiving is important but this year seems like a shit show with everybody in the mix so I think it's going to be a battle most of the year. They just need to start winning games.
 
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DanielBrassard said:
The Rangers best forward this year at 5v5 has been Fil and we've talked extensively about how well Kakko has played. My biggest issue is Lafreniere because I don't really see it with him. I thought the first 2 or 3 games he was showing flashes but those have largely disappeared. Someone brought it up before that no one is scoring at 5v5 and that's true, but again it's not just about the points, where are the flashes of elite talent or skills that will eventually translate to points? It's not there and that's the problem.
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That's what gets me. He's chippy. That's about the only good thing I can say about him. I don't see #1 overall level skill at the NHL level.

I'm taking Montreal's 2023 1st and running away laughing if it's on the table.
 
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