Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[showtime8]

Shea Theodore is Vegas's version of Morgan Rielly. He's their best and most untouchable defenseman. Shea Theodore has 2 years left, which means that NEXT summer they're going to have to sit down and talk with him and figure out if he's willing to extend long term there, or if they should look at trading him maybe. That's what we're doing with Nylander THIS summer. So I wouldn't say that the contract situations are similar.

To be honest, even if Nylander had 2 years left, like Theodore does, I'm not sure a playoff team is trading their young-ish #1D for a young-ish scoring winger. They have Pietrangelo as their #2, but he's getting older and his play is declining now.

I agree with what you're saying, but I wouldn't say that Pietrangelo's play is declining. He plays the most in every situation.

We also have to consider that Theodore is going to be 30 at the end of his next contract, so extending him to the max of 8 years puts him into age 38.

I also think that we can't sell Nylander short on this one. Scoring 40 goals in this league isn't an easy thing to do.

Even if it's close, I think you can add or subtract parts to go in either direction.

 

[TMLAM34]

To me, you sell high on Brodie. 1 year left on his contract, likely not retained past that as far as I know. He'll be 33 years old this summer. His puck skills have fallen off a cliff as well. He's been pretty good in the regular season and his value should be really good but I think if the Leafs get a good offer they should seriously consider selling high on him and give themselves even more cap space.

Build the defense around Rielly, McCabe and Liljegren.

Wouldn’t be against that either, almost everyone should be available for the right price. No one should be safe.

However with a lesser role I do think Brodie can bounce back and with only 1 year remaining on his deal, he’s not much of a problem. Having a third pair of Brodie - Timmins, probably doesn’t get much better than that. McCabe - Liljegren the second pair and finding a true top pairing defenceman using Nylander or Marner should be the goal to pair with Rielly IMO.

 

[Americanadian]

To me, you sell high on Brodie. 1 year left on his contract, likely not retained past that as far as I know. He'll be 33 years old this summer. His puck skills have fallen off a cliff as well. He's been pretty good in the regular season and his value should be really good but I think if the Leafs get a good offer they should seriously consider selling high on him and give themselves even more cap space.

Build the defense around Rielly, McCabe and Liljegren.

This would be smart asset management. Sell him as a RD. Buffalo/Ottawa would/should be all over him.

 

[Americanadian]

I am once again proposing Kastelic for Timmins.

I am high on Timmins but at the end of the day he will be 25 to start next season and he’s played 130 hockey games since he turned 20. I don’t see a future with him on this team, especially if Schenn returns.

Ottawa needs RHD, Toronto needs a new 4C. Kastelic has been an analytics darling this year in Ottawa on the defensive and offensive side of the puck. He is a big RS C. He’s signed for 2 years beyond this season at 835k. He also fights and hits which as of right now the Leafs don’t have someone under contract that will do that. The Leafs get slightly younger while saving a small amount on the cap.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I get that depth is important.. but he's another small guy, who isn't physical, who hasn't produced in the playoffs. (5 points in 20 games). Sure, he can PK, and puts up reasonable points for a depth player.. his best season, is 39 points.. but in 20 minutes per game... Jarkrok put up 39 points in 14 minutes per game. He's the kind of guy who would get 25-30 points for us, in the usage he'd get.

I think we need to find ways to be harder to play against... and he isn't that... loved when he played with us, and his effort though... but I don't think he'd be the right direction for us.

He had 43 points in 71 games and 39 points in 64 games (last season), usually while playing in a more defensive role.

I think if the price is right he could be a decent 3rd line option. Having a player who always gives 110% can be infectious

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I am once again proposing Kastelic for Timmins.

I am high on Timmins but at the end of the day he will be 25 to start next season and he’s played 130 hockey games since he turned 20. I don’t see a future with him on this team, especially if Schenn returns.

Ottawa needs RHD, Toronto needs a new 4C. Kastelic has been an analytics darling this year in Ottawa on the defensive and offensive side of the puck. He is a big RS C. He’s signed for 2 years beyond this season at 835k. He also fights and hits which as of right now the Leafs don’t have someone under contract that will do that. The Leafs get slightly younger while saving a small amount on the cap.

I’d rather sell high on Liljegren who is pretty much the same age as Timmins and should have much more value.

 

[Americanadian]

I’d rather sell high on Liljegren who is pretty much the same age as Timmins and should have much more value.

I believe Liljegren should be part of the future, as I did Sandin.

 

[TMLAM34]

Moving either Liljegren or Timmins wouldn’t be smart. That’s a great second and third pairing RHD. Our focus should be upgrading our first pair RHD.

Andersson comes to mind with Nylander heading to Calgary as part of the package.

Rielly - Andersson
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano

Timmins and Giordano you can rotate the hot hand, when Giordano slots into the lineup you have a third pairing of Giordano - Brodie.

 

[Fogelhund]

Moving either Liljegren or Timmins wouldn’t be smart. That’s a great second and third pairing RHD. Our focus should be upgrading our first pair RHD.

Andersson comes to mind with Nylander heading to Calgary as part of the package.

Rielly - Andersson
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano

We didn't win, because we didn't score enough goals, so let's trade away one of our better scorers, for more D???? When D wasn't really a problem? I'd rather just extend Schenn.

 

[TMLAM34]

We didn't win, because we didn't score enough goals, so let's trade away one of our better scorers, for more D???? When D wasn't really a problem? I'd rather just extend Schenn.

One move isn’t going to fix everything. Even though our overall defensive game wasn’t bad, our defencemen were extremely slow. Brodie played awful, Giordano and Holl were trash. Schenn played good but is probably slower than Tavares.

With Andersson you add a defenceman who can play in all situations 20+ minutes a night. You also free up almost 2.5 million towards the salary cap.

We need better roster flexibility and balance. Half our salary cap into these four players well we’ve seen year after year what we get out of it in the playoffs.

 

[Fogelhund]

One move isn’t going to fix everything. Even though our overall defensive game wasn’t bad, our defencemen were extremely slow. Brodie played awful, Giordano and Holl were trash. Schenn played good but is probably slower than Tavares.

With Andersson you add a defenceman who can play in all situations 20+ minutes a night. You also free up almost 2.5 million towards the salary cap.

We need better roster flexibility and balance. Half our salary cap into these four players well we’ve seen year after year what we get out of it in the playoffs.

I disagree Nylander is the guy to move, and really this move does nothing for real cap flexibility. You move a good contract out, and free up $2.5 million, while we lose a 40 goal scorer, that can't be replaced with that cap hit.

 

[TMLAM34]

I disagree Nylander is the guy to move, and really this move does nothing for real cap flexibility. You move a good contract out, and free up $2.5 million, while we lose a 40 goal scorer, that can't be replaced with that cap hit.

The upgrade from Luke Schenn to Rasmus Andersson is also not just a minor improvement (it’s huge) on top of saving the 2.5 million.

 

[Tony Romo]

The upgrade from Luke Schenn to Rasmus Andersson is also not just a minor improvement (it’s huge) on top of saving the 2.5 million.

Yes... but how do we solve our goal scoring issue in the playoffs.. by trading out our best playoff performer and giving ourselves 2.5m to replace him?

 

[Fogelhund]

The upgrade from Luke Schenn to Rasmus Andersson is also not just a minor improvement (it’s huge) on top of saving the 2.5 million.

And that's the mistake people make... they look at a player, and based on paper stats assume that you've got a better team by upgrading.

Yet Schenn has been one of the best compliments to Mo Rielly's game we've had. They made a VERY good pairing. Overall, sure Andersson is a huge upgrade... Schenn's physicality helped our team... Losing Schenn will hurt our D.... and Rielly will be back to being problematic with Andersson.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Do you guys think that Dubas/Davidson hook up to pull a Mrazek like trade involving Murray?

#28 + Murray for either #51 (TB pick) or #57 (Rangers pick)

Bigger drop for Leafs compared to last season since Murray has bigger cap hit and sizeable salary/buyout cost this offseason.

Saves the Leafs on having to carry $2M in dead cap next offseason from buyout

Hawks can either keep Murray on NHL roster behind Mrazek heading into next year or buy him out

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Do you guys think that Dubas/Davidson hook up to pull a Mrazek like trade involving Murray?

#28 + Murray for either #51 (TB pick) or #57 (Rangers pick)

Bigger drop for Leafs compared to last season since Murray has bigger cap hit and sizeable salary/buyout cost this offseason.

Saves the Leafs on having to carry $2M in dead cap next offseason from buyout

Hawks can either keep Murray on NHL roster behind Mrazek heading into next year or buy him out

Why would it cost more to move Murray after he had a better season and costs less for shorter duration than it did to acquire him in the first place?

 

[TMLAM34]

Why would it cost more to move Murray after he had a better season and costs less for shorter duration than it did to acquire him in the first place?

Not to mention he’s 10x the goalie Mrazek is when he’s playing.

And that's the mistake people make... they look at a player, and based on paper stats assume that you've got a better team by upgrading.

Yet Schenn has been one of the best compliments to Mo Rielly's game we've had. They made a VERY good pairing. Overall, sure Andersson is a huge upgrade... Schenn's physicality helped our team... Losing Schenn will hurt our D.... and Rielly will be back to being problematic with Andersson.

Schenn has definitely had that Hainsey effect on Rielly. If it’s not finding a real top pairing dman, we need to find other ways to improve our blueline IMO.

Letting Holl walk is definitely a start but realizing Giordano at this point is more of a #7 would be good as well.

 

[Gabriel426]

To me, you sell high on Brodie. 1 year left on his contract, likely not retained past that as far as I know. He'll be 33 years old this summer. His puck skills have fallen off a cliff as well. He's been pretty good in the regular season and his value should be really good but I think if the Leafs get a good offer they should seriously consider selling high on him and give themselves even more cap space.

Build the defense around Rielly, McCabe and Liljegren.

I am the trade TJ and sign Orlov via free agency train.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Is there a deal with Calgary to be made with Marner? They’re probably looking to shake things up a little.

I like Rasmus Andersson, but I think Calgary needs to add. What could make a deal work?

 

[Fogelhund]

Not to mention he’s 10x the goalie Mrazek is when he’s playing.


Schenn has definitely had that Hainsey effect on Rielly. If it’s not finding a real top pairing dman, we need to find other ways to improve our blueline IMO.

Letting Holl walk is definitely a start but realizing Giordano at this point is more of a #7 would be good as well.

It's not our blueline that needs improving though. It's our forward group, and timely scoring.

 

[Amadeus]

Is there a deal with Calgary to be made with Marner? They’re probably looking to shake things up a little.

I like Rasmus Andersson, but I think Calgary needs to add. What could make a deal work?

Elias Lindholm + Rasmus Andersson

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Elias Lindholm + Rasmus Andersson

That solves the 2C and upgrades the D, IMO. Andersson brings more production from the back end, and Lindholm would allow Tavares to transition to the wing.

 

[SprDaVE]

It's not our blueline that needs improving though. It's our forward group, and timely scoring.

Let's hope the promotion of Knies and a healthy Robertson fixes some of that skill depth that to a certain degree. Losing Amirov long-term really hurt as well.

I think someone like Andersson would bring offence to the defense, something the Leafs have lacked for awhile. Rielly is pretty good there of course but after him it gets slim. Liljegren is trending nicely. Niemela is still a big of a question mark at the NHL level.

Not sure about trading Marner or really making that kind of splash, but I think there's merit to upgrading defensively if the defender brings in a package that would give us better skating and skill from the back end. I suggested Matt Dumba as a UFA but Andersson is very attractive with his contract and where he's trending.

 

[tmlfan98]

Elias Lindholm + Rasmus Andersson

I was also thinking something similar for the framework of a realistic Marner trade possibility. Maybe after looking like the big losers of the Tkachuk trade already after year 1, Don Maloney and the new GM he brings in under him decide that they want to be on the other end of the trade this time and "upgrade" their stars.

Meanwhile, Leafs get 1 season (or more if they can extend) of Elias Lindholm, plus 3 seasons of Rasmus Andersson at 4.5M cap hit and maybe a 1st or 2nd rounder going to the Leafs as well.

 

[Gabriel426]

Is there a deal with Calgary to be made with Marner? They’re probably looking to shake things up a little.

I like Rasmus Andersson, but I think Calgary needs to add. What could make a deal work?

I would take Andersson, Toffoli and pick for MM