Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[showtime8]

Of course there's a lot that will change over the off-season, but the first thing that I'd try to do is look at getting a top 4 defenseman in a trade.

Regardless of who's going to be coaching this team or if there's a change in playing style, the defense has to be a focus.

I've been wanting the Leafs to target Shea Theodore if they trade Nylander. Similar contract situations and easily a top 4 dman that doesn't change the age dynamics of the team.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I've been wanting the Leafs to target Shea Theodore if they trade Nylander. Similar contract situations and easily a top 4 dman that doesn't change the age dynamics of the team.

Shea Theodore is Vegas's version of Morgan Rielly. He's their best and most untouchable defenseman. Shea Theodore has 2 years left, which means that NEXT summer they're going to have to sit down and talk with him and figure out if he's willing to extend long term there, or if they should look at trading him maybe. That's what we're doing with Nylander THIS summer. So I wouldn't say that the contract situations are similar.

To be honest, even if Nylander had 2 years left, like Theodore does, I'm not sure a playoff team is trading their young-ish #1D for a young-ish scoring winger. They have Pietrangelo as their #2, but he's getting older and his play is declining now.

 

[LaPlante94]

How much do you think Bertuzzi, ROR and one of Kampf/Acciari sign for?

We gave Kampf 1.5 mil for 2 years when he was coming off a 8 goal 16 point season and then followed up by a 1 goal and 12 point season in a 56 game season. His 2 years here he had career years by putting up 11 goals 26 points in his 1st year and then 8 goals and 27 points this season. He's a bit younger so he might sign somewhere for like 2 mil and Acciari is like 31/32 so I'm sure you get him cheaper and probably get him for no more than 1.5 mil. Bertuzzi my best guess would be between 5-6 mil and ROR depends on how much he wants to come back here. Might get more somewhere else but maybe he'll sign for 4-5 mil.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

We gave Kampf 1.5 mil for 2 years when he was coming off a 8 goal 16 point season and then followed up by a 1 goal and 12 point season in a 56 game season. His 2 years here he had career years by putting up 11 goals 26 points in his 1st year and then 8 goals and 27 points this season. He's a bit younger so he might sign somewhere for like 2 mil and Acciari is like 31/32 so I'm sure you get him cheaper and probably get him for no more than 1.5 mil. Bertuzzi my best guess would be between 5-6 mil and ROR depends on how much he wants to come back here. Might get more somewhere else but maybe he'll sign for 4-5 mil.

One of, if not both of Kampf and Acciari will get $3M+ as a FA.

I’d gladly lock up Bert to a 5 x $6M so I think he’ll get more.

ROR I’m expecting at least $6.5M per.

 

[Gabriel426]

We gave Kampf 1.5 mil for 2 years when he was coming off a 8 goal 16 point season and then followed up by a 1 goal and 12 point season in a 56 game season. His 2 years here he had career years by putting up 11 goals 26 points in his 1st year and then 8 goals and 27 points this season. He's a bit younger so he might sign somewhere for like 2 mil and Acciari is like 31/32 so I'm sure you get him cheaper and probably get him for no more than 1.5 mil. Bertuzzi my best guess would be between 5-6 mil and ROR depends on how much he wants to come back here. Might get more somewhere else but maybe he'll sign for 4-5 mil.

I think Kampf will be 1.8mil-2mil. He won't command more than that. Acciari is a little cheaper, probably around 1.5mil but he would probably take less if it is on a 4-5 yrs deal instead of just 3 years. Bertuzzi is interesting bc he had a 30goals year before but can he do that again? Also, he is physical but his defense is okay(on my very limited viewings). ROR will either go to the highest bidder or go back to the Blues. Unless Leafs comes in with an 8 yr deal.
I would also be interested to see if Orlov would sign with us, while they trade TJ away. Even if Orlov signs for 6.5mil, as it is only 1.5mil more than TJ and we won't have Holl around too.

One of, if not both of Kampf and Acciari will get $3M+ as a FA.

I’d gladly lock up Bert to a 5 x $6M so I think he’ll get more.

ROR I’m expecting at least $6.5M per.

Why do you say that? Calle went for 2.1m last summer. I can see Kerfoot getting another 3mil contract.

 

[hamzarocks]

Bully JT into waiving his NMC

Then deal him for one of the following deals

1. JT to blues and Schenn + Krug

2. JT + Murray for Schenn + Binnington + 2nd +3rd

3. JT to blues for Neighbors + Parayako + 3rd

 

[LeafSteel]

A lot of interest from Colorado for Nylander apparently. Byram is the target for me if Willy goes.

Wondering what it takes to get Devon Toews from Colorado, without losing Knies and and our core 4?

They owe us for the Kadri trade debacle….

 

[Rielly4]

Bully JT into waiving his NMC

Then deal him for one of the following deals

1. JT to blues and Schenn + Krug

2. JT + Murray for Schenn + Binnington + 2nd +3rd

3. JT to blues for Neighbors + Parayako + 3rd

We are taking on way too much term with any of those guys. Rather just keep JT.

 

[Dreakmur]

Shea Theodore is Vegas's version of Morgan Rielly. He's their best and most untouchable defenseman. Shea Theodore has 2 years left, which means that NEXT summer they're going to have to sit down and talk with him and figure out if he's willing to extend long term there, or if they should look at trading him maybe. That's what we're doing with Nylander THIS summer. So I wouldn't say that the contract situations are similar.

To be honest, even if Nylander had 2 years left, like Theodore does, I'm not sure a playoff team is trading their young-ish #1D for a young-ish scoring winger. They have Pietrangelo as their #2, but he's getting older and his play is declining now.

Theodore is not their best defenseman. He is their #2 defenseman, behind the much better Alex Pietrangelo. It’s not even close really.

 

[Rielly4]

Devon Toews or Byram would be really nice to get. Would cost us Willy or Marner though unfortunately.

 

[hamzarocks]

Devon Toews or Byram would be really nice to get. Would cost us Willy or Marner though unfortunately.

No waytoews has that value

His production fell off once the Avs superteam went away this year (lost kadri, burakovsky, landeskog)

Byram again way to unproven and injury prone

Hed be one of the pieces in a marner deal but not the main or only piece

 

[hamzarocks]

We are taking on way too much term with any of those guys. Rather just keep JT.

You need to take on term to trade JT at 11M

The cap hits of those trades work to under 13M

Schenn is a 60-70 pt center he works right into JTs spot. We take 3 years extra term sure but we add Krug who gives us more offense from the back end (something only Rielly brings atm).

Our peak contention time is the next 2-3 seasons. These two players deepen the team and add quality offense which we need for the playoffs


Other offers have binnington whose a dump but has been good in the playoffs recently. He could be ohr Bobrovsky, and go clutch for us in a deep playoff run

Trade 3 yeah parayako has years left but we save 4ishM and if he can bounce back forms a dream pairing with Rielly. Neighbours is young and can play C or wing and be a fit with Knies on L3

 

[Americanadian]

Wondering what it takes to get Devon Toews from Colorado, without losing Knies and and our core 4?

They owe us for the Kadri trade debacle….

There’s a perfect trade to be made with Toews for Bratt and I can’t not see it happening now. Why do the Leafs want a LD though?

 

[LeafSteel]

There’s a perfect trade to be made with Toews for Bratt and I can’t not see it happening now. Why do the Leafs want a LD though?

We need to improve LHD and RHD.

Holl needs to go, counting on Gio for anything would be a huge mistake, Brodie did not look good and his contract is too rich if his play is going to slide. I have no interest to pay Brodie $5m and watch him play like he did. He can’t be 1RHD, and no way can we afford to pay him to play 3LHD.

Toews would shore up our LHD and allow us to put McCabe on the 3rd LHD, at incredible value with Chicago retaining 50%.

 

[Rielly4]

You need to take on term to trade JT at 11M

The cap hits of those trades work to under 13M

Schenn is a 60-70 pt center he works right into JTs spot. We take 3 years extra term sure but we add Krug who gives us more offense from the back end (something only Rielly brings atm).

Our peak contention time is the next 2-3 seasons. These two players deepen the team and add quality offense which we need for the playoffs


Other offers have binnington whose a dump but has been good in the playoffs recently. He could be ohr Bobrovsky, and go clutch for us in a deep playoff run

Trade 3 yeah parayako has years left but we save 4ishM and if he can bounce back forms a dream pairing with Rielly. Neighbours is young and can play C or wing and be a fit with Knies on L3

If our only option is trading him for guys with bad contracts and term then maybe Id consider for Schenn alone not Krug. Parayko is very risky as hes looked bad but might be worth the risk. If we can move him without getting anything in return we are probably better off then taking on these contracts.

No waytoews has that value

His production fell off once the Avs superteam went away this year (lost kadri, burakovsky, landeskog)

Byram again way to unproven and injury prone

Hed be one of the pieces in a marner deal but not the main or only piece

Toews production was still very strong this year considering hes not even on the top powerplay.

 

[Menzinger]

3 years around 2.5-3M seems more than fair.

Vejmelka and Skinner should be the comparables.

That sounds right. I can also potentially see the Leafs go for another 1 year extra cheap option with him.

Genuine question for everyone in the "you need to win a Matthews/Marner/Nylander trade" crowd. What is the alternative? If you keep them what do you do with this current team to turn them into a stanley cup contender?

I am not saying that losing a trade brings you closer to a cup. My stance is that clearing cap space and gaining assets that outperform their cap hit will make the team better long term.

So does Tavares' capspace becoming free in just two seasons

 

[Kurtz]

Maybe we sell high on Nylander. Something around him for Svech. Carolina gets a little more offense, we get more grit, speed and long term cost control. Maybe we can grab one of their dmen in the package as well.

 

[Kiwi]

That sounds right. I can also potentially see the Leafs go for another 1 year extra cheap option with him.



So does Tavares' capspace becoming free in just two seasons

I could see them giving him a year if there really high on Woll but I'd be more cautious and try to get 2 years

It might cost a bit more but it's 2 years of stability and more time to get Woll ready for a starters workload

I don't know why were talking about it, Tavares won't waive

Maybe we sell high on Nylander. Something around him for Svech. Carolina gets a little more offense, we get more grit, speed and long term cost control. Maybe we can grab one of their dmen in the package as well.

I doubt we could get Svech straight up for Nylander let alone get an add

There prospect pool and young roster players are pretty good, it wouldn't be a bad team to make a deal with

 

[lanceuppercut75]

We need to improve LHD and RHD.

Holl needs to go, counting on Gio for anything would be a huge mistake, Brodie did not look good and his contract is too rich if his play is going to slide. I have no interest to pay Brodie $5m and watch him play like he did. He can’t be 1RHD, and no way can we afford to pay him to play 3LHD.

Toews would shore up our LHD and allow us to put McCabe on the 3rd LHD, at incredible value with Chicago retaining 50%.

I feel like RHD is a much bigger priority than LHD. We can't seem to get our hands on a RHD stud (#3 or better). Having Brodie isn't ideal but at least he's a UFA next summer. That's a situation that becomes easier to resolve over time. A stud RHD on the other hand probably won't just fall into our laps randomly.

 

[Americanadian]

Maybe we sell high on Nylander. Something around him for Svech. Carolina gets a little more offense, we get more grit, speed and long term cost control. Maybe we can grab one of their dmen in the package as well.

Carolina wouldn’t do that 1 for 1. They refuse to acquire high price rentals as an organizational philosophy.

 

[Americanadian]

We need to improve LHD and RHD.

Holl needs to go, counting on Gio for anything would be a huge mistake, Brodie did not look good and his contract is too rich if his play is going to slide. I have no interest to pay Brodie $5m and watch him play like he did. He can’t be 1RHD, and no way can we afford to pay him to play 3LHD.

Toews would shore up our LHD and allow us to put McCabe on the 3rd LHD, at incredible value with Chicago retaining 50%.

I am a full believer that the Leafs will run:

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Liljegren
Brodie-Timmins
Gio

Brodie was the Leafs best defenseman in the regular season and I don't think it's a guarantee he will be as bad as he was in the playoffs when next season starts.

 

[horner]

Trade
Marner + JT ( retain 50% )

For

Anaheim
Mintykov D 6'2" 200 lbs 2022 9 overall pk
2023 ( 2nd rd pk)
2024 ( 1st rd pk ) top 10 protected
Ryan Strome C/LW 5 yr * 5 mil ( a tradeable contract )
Comtois RFA

We get a possible top pairing dman in
Mintykov

We won't win a marner trade

Debrincat got a 1st (7th overall pk)
2nd rd pk
3rd rd pk

 

[TMLAM34]

I am a full believer that the Leafs will run:

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Liljegren
Brodie-Timmins
Gio

Brodie was the Leafs best defenseman in the regular season and I don't think it's a guarantee he will be as bad as he was in the playoffs when next season starts.

As much of a feel good story Luke Schenn returning has been, that’s a spot we desperately need to upgrade on.

Rielly - _______
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano

Wouldn’t be too happy moving on from Nylander but I think you need to use him as a trade chip to acquire a true top four, ideally top pairing defenceman.

Trade
Marner + JT ( retain 50% )

For

Anaheim
Mintykov D 6'2" 200 lbs 2022 9 overall pk
2023 ( 2nd rd pk)
2024 ( 1st rd pk ) top 10 protected
Ryan Strome C/LW 5 yr * 5 mil ( a tradeable contract )
Comtois RFA

We get a possible top pairing dman in
Mintykov

We won't win a marner trade

Debrincat got a 1st (7th overall pk)
2nd rd pk
3rd rd pk

Comtois is probably not getting a qualifying offer from the Ducks. When he’s a UFA, he’s definitely someone I’d be interested in adding in the bottom six for cheap.

 

[4thline]

Too many potential directions this offseason, so I'm going to drill into a scenario. JT won't waive NMC, Matthews and Nylander re-sign, Mitch odd man out.

I think it's quite possible to do well with an Eichel type package, but absent any rumours that's too wide of net to really speculate on.

Given Dubas' comments about Florida, going to stick to pretty much 1 for 1 or player+ swaps.

Guys with cap hits above 7m, at least 2 years remaining either rumoured to be available or on teams that had disappointing years

Veteran Stars
Panarin, 30 LW, 3 yrs at 11.6
Karlsson, 32 RD, 4 yrs at 11.5
Miller, 30 LW/C, 7 yrs at 8

Young/Prime Change of Scenery
Kyrou, 25 RW, 8 yrs at 8.1
Connor, 25 LW, 3 yrs at 7.1


With various levels of + added each has a case to be a viable trade option.

Panarin
Pro -changes the locker room without losing offense, extra yr on the contact
Con- doesn't allow for change in roster structure, adds 700k in cap

Karlsson
Pro- reallocates cap to defense, game breaker, changes whole complexion of D and team
Con- adds 600k in cap, huge risk on that deal- first time in 3 years he's been worth it, can we shield his shortcomings

Miller
Pro- reallocates money to C, tenacious playstyle and attitude, saves 2.9m cap, longer term widens window
Con- last two years of deal likely a burden

Kyrou
Pro- fills playmaking RW slot, dynamic talent, save 2.8m, term widens window
Con- lose a lot on defensive side of puck

Connor
Pro- gain a shooting threat, don't lose too much on offense, save 3.8m on cap, gain year of term
Con- ??


High risk high reward reclamation would be Kuznetsov ++. Opens cap, moves money to C. If he has a 2nd wind we've got a Conn Smythe level 2C, if he doesn't... wamp wamp.

Under the dollar threshold interesting targets: Buchnevich and Konecny.

 

[SprDaVE]

As much of a feel good story Luke Schenn returning has been, that’s a spot we desperately need to upgrade on.

Rielly - _______
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano

Wouldn’t be too happy moving on from Nylander but I think you need to use him as a trade chip to acquire a true top four, ideally top pairing defenceman.


Comtois is probably not getting a qualifying offer from the Ducks. When he’s a UFA, he’s definitely someone I’d be interested in adding in the bottom six for cheap.

To me, you sell high on Brodie. 1 year left on his contract, likely not retained past that as far as I know. He'll be 33 years old this summer. His puck skills have fallen off a cliff as well. He's been pretty good in the regular season and his value should be really good but I think if the Leafs get a good offer they should seriously consider selling high on him and give themselves even more cap space.

Build the defense around Rielly, McCabe and Liljegren.