Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Americanadian]

Marner for carlo and debrusk?

This would make a ton of sense for Toronto. They get 2 players who will probably cost 10M total going forward and can impact the top of the lineup. Carlo and Debrusk are the same age as Marner. They have both been bad in the past but were very good this year. You're banking on getting their best years going forward.

 

[Fogelhund]

That's fair to a certain degree. But there aren't many physical players that can play high in the lineup like Brown can or be efficient in terms of a depth role.

If not for Brown or someone of his ilk, who would be a better target for the same minutes/role? Acciari is obviously the mold that would fit what you're describing. I struggle to find more players like him that aren't inept with or without the puck.

ZAR would be ok to bring back on a league min deal because he can play chippy. He's pretty whatever though.

It's a long off-season so we'll see how things shake out.

I'd love to trade for Jack McBain. (He'd be a better choice than Laughton IMO) (Toronto boy) He put up 28 points this year. He's a C, though he was abysmal at faceoffs. He's a big body, 6'4" 220 lbs and had over 300 hits last year. He's 23.... He was leaned on pretty heavily in defensive situations in Arizona... who were bad, and his results weren't great, but then given his usage... he did ok for a kid in his second year in the NHL. Teach him faceoffs, and you've got one heck of a long-term 3C.

I'd also prefer to get Comtois as a rehab project, over Brown. He's another bigger guy, 6'2" 210 lbs. He's a guy who will put up 100 hits in a season, and before his injury a couple of years ago, he was one of The Ducks top offensive players. He won't be resigned there.

Meier didn't fit very well with the Devils.... I'd consider swapping Marner for Meier.

There are a few other guys I'd look at, but that's where I'd start.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd love to trade for Jack McBain. (Toronto boy) He put up 28 points this year. He's a C, though he was abysmal at faceoffs. He's a big body, 6'4" 220 lbs and had over 300 hits last year. He's 23.... He was leaned on pretty heavily in defensive situations in Arizona... who were bad, and his results weren't great, but then given his usage... he did ok for a kid in his second year in the NHL. Teach him faceoffs, and you've got one heck of a long-term 3C.

I'd also prefer to get Comtois as a rehab project, over Brown. He's another bigger guy, 6'2" 210 lbs. He's a guy who will put up 100 hits in a season, and before his injury a couple of years ago, he was one of The Ducks top offensive players. He won't be resigned there.

Meier didn't fit very well with the Devils.... I'd consider swapping Marner for Meier.

There are a few other guys I'd look at, but that's where I'd start.

I wouldn't be against any of those for the most part. I'd prefer to keep Marner over Meier.

 

[Americanadian]

Very intrigued by Dumba. It is a big risk though as he is prone to stupid decisions. He could end up being a bit of a whipping boy if things don't work out.

Soucy, I think will be too expensive. He seems like someone who will get 4 million + after his playoff run

Haula would be great add for 3C. He'd bring a ton of speed. I do find it strange that he's been on 7 teams in the last 5 years though.

Suter and Fast seem like Dubas bargain bin pickups. Fast might be a decent add.

Bellemare is too slow

100% on the train for Perry. Would bring some attitude to the team

I'd add Bertuzzi and Barbashev to your list as well

Bertuzzi is really the cream of the crop. He consistently increases his production in the post season as a pro (AHL, NHL). He has the one 30 goal season which he may be able to replicate given the right situation. I'd be very tempted to go 6x6 - especially with the cap projected to go up.

I'd love to trade for Jack McBain. (He'd be a better choice than Laughton IMO) (Toronto boy) He put up 28 points this year. He's a C, though he was abysmal at faceoffs. He's a big body, 6'4" 220 lbs and had over 300 hits last year. He's 23.... He was leaned on pretty heavily in defensive situations in Arizona... who were bad, and his results weren't great, but then given his usage... he did ok for a kid in his second year in the NHL. Teach him faceoffs, and you've got one heck of a long-term 3C.

I thought for sure he was coming to Toronto during his senior year at BC. I'm curious what Arizona would want for him. They gave up a 2nd for his rights and I'd think they'd want better than that in return.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Bertuzzi would be great, only real concern is his lack of defensive acumen, but that can be mitigated and improved in the right circumstances. He'd be a stronger Bunting who's actually willing to throw down when needed. Don't know how the vax stuff works at this point but I'd love to snipe him from Boston in free agency.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bertuzzi is really the cream of the crop. He consistently increases his production in the post season as a pro (AHL, NHL). He has the one 30 goal season which he may be able to replicate given the right situation. I'd be very tempted to go 6x6 - especially with the cap projected to go up.


I thought for sure he was coming to Toronto during his senior year at BC. I'm curious what Arizona would want for him. They gave up a 2nd for his rights and I'd think they'd want better than that in return.

I'd give up the 1st for McBain. Our 1st, Murray, rights to Holl/Bunting??

 

[Gabriel426]

I am beginning to think that the more splashes a team make on TDL, the least likely it will paid off.
Bruins, TB, Oilers, Rangers, Islanders, Kings and us all made quite a few moves and I believe all the big moves are made by those teams and none of them are still playing.
I understand the concept of having faith and rewarding the team at TDL but another way to look into that also means the MGT doesn’t think the team is good enough. While only making depth moves is a sign that the MGT shows huge faith in the existing team and the depth piece is just in case of injuries.

 

[Fogelhund]

Bertuzzi would be great, only real concern is his lack of defensive acumen, but that can be mitigated and improved in the right circumstances. He'd be a stronger Bunting who's actually willing to throw down when needed. Don't know how the vax stuff works at this point but I'd love to snipe him from Boston in free agency.

As of May 12th, you no longer need to be vaccinated to enter the US. So he'd be fine.

He's a Dirtbag of a player... and a guy I really don't like much... but then we really could use more like that.

Technical Difficulties

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I wouldn't be against any of those for the most part. I'd prefer to keep Marner over Meier.

It really isn't easy trying to find a deal to move out Marner....

 

[WillNy29]

This would make a ton of sense for Toronto. They get 2 players who will probably cost 10M total going forward and can impact the top of the lineup. Carlo and Debrusk are the same age as Marner. They have both been bad in the past but were very good this year. You're banking on getting their best years going forward.

Carlo is not good Boston talks about him like we do Holl; I'd look for better, Marner isn't garbage we could probably swing a really good deal for him.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I am beginning to think that the more splashes a team make on TDL, the least likely it will paid off.
Bruins, TB, Oilers, Rangers, Islanders, Kings and us all made quite a few moves and I believe all the big moves are made by those teams and none of them are still playing.
I understand the concept of having faith and rewarding the team at TDL but another way to look into that also means the MGT doesn’t think the team is good enough. While only making depth moves is a sign that the MGT shows huge faith in the existing team and the depth piece is just in case of injuries.

You should really just be adding “the missing piece” at the TDL. That guy or two guys that complete your depth

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I think Sammy’s next contract should be for 3 years and like $3~ million. Comparables in Sorokin (3 years, $4 million) and Skinner (3 years, $2.6 million) would indicate something around that.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think Sammy’s next contract should be for 3 years and like $3~ million. Comparables in Sorokin (3 years, $4 million) and Skinner (3 years, $2.6 million) would indicate something around that.

3 years around 2.5-3M seems more than fair.

Vejmelka and Skinner should be the comparables.

 

[Warden of the North]

Tavares can be traded.

Not sure where this belief comes from that he's impossible to trade. Worse players on terrible contracts get traded with regularity.

The dude is still basically PPG

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Tavares can be traded.

Not sure where this belief comes from that he's impossible to trade. Worse players on terrible contracts get traded with regularity.

The dude is still basically PPG

His NMC is where it comes from.

He won’t waive it. So he is impossible to trade.

 

[Warden of the North]

His NMC is where it comes from.

He won’t waive it. So he is impossible to trade.

Guys with NMC get traded all the time.

Haven't we learned this yet? It happens every year.

 

[Tony Romo]

Guys with NMC get traded all the time.

Haven't we learned this yet? It happens every year.

I mean, you tell me. A guy playing and is captain of his boyhood team, in his home town. Why would he waive his NMC?

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Bertuzzi would be great, only real concern is his lack of defensive acumen, but that can be mitigated and improved in the right circumstances. He'd be a stronger Bunting who's actually willing to throw down when needed. Don't know how the vax stuff works at this point but I'd love to snipe him from Boston in free agency.

Would Miles wood be a cheaper and better option.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Guys with NMC get traded all the time.

Haven't we learned this yet? It happens every year.

Yeah it’s not happening.

He came here because he wants to be here. Why would he leave?

 

[Jozay]

Improving down the middle and the top 4 on defense should be a priority.

Maybe you can address both in a Marnee trade for example? No need to be married to addressing both in a trade like that, but ideally one of those things is checked off in a Marner trade

 

[keonsbitterness]

Guys with NMC get traded all the time.

Haven't we learned this yet? It happens every year.

If you want him to waive, then you should hope the Leafs quickly turn into a non-playoff team so he'd want to leave to chase a Cup.

 

[Rielly4]

Only way you trade Marner is if you get a guy like Brady Tkachuck.

 

[Legion34]

Tavares can be traded.

Not sure where this belief comes from that he's impossible to trade. Worse players on terrible contracts get traded with regularity.

The dude is still basically PPG

Guys with NMC get traded all the time.

Haven't we learned this yet? It happens every year.

Stamkos refused. Lots refuse too

The Muskoka 5

 

[Americanadian]

Genuine question for everyone in the "you need to win a Matthews/Marner/Nylander trade" crowd. What is the alternative? If you keep them what do you do with this current team to turn them into a stanley cup contender?

I am not saying that losing a trade brings you closer to a cup. My stance is that clearing cap space and gaining assets that outperform their cap hit will make the team better long term.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Genuine question for everyone in the "you need to win a Matthews/Marner/Nylander trade" crowd. What is the alternative? If you keep them what do you do with this current team to turn them into a stanley cup contender?

I am not saying that losing a trade brings you closer to a cup. My stance is that clearing cap space and gaining assets that outperform their cap hit will make the team better long term.

We need 2-3 guys to play like 10+ million dollar players, getting a guy who makes 5 but plays like he’s worth 8 doesn’t get us any closer than a guy who makes 11.5 but plays like he’s worth 10.5. We need gamebreakers regardless of how good they are on a per dollar basis. Building a cost efficient system is relevant earlier in the rebuild to better absorb the ELC -> UFA pay bumps for your gamebreakers or if you have an internal cap limit.

Downgrading say Marner and Matthews to Aho and Fiala might be more cost efficient, and we might be able to get upgrades on Kerfoot and Holl with the savings, but we’re still looking at a forward group that scores 2 goals max in game 7s.

 

[Americanadian]

We need 2-3 guys to play like 10+ million dollar players, getting a guy who makes 5 but plays like he’s worth 8 doesn’t get us any closer than a guy who makes 11.5 but plays like he’s worth 10.5. We need gamebreakers regardless of how good they are on a per dollar basis. Building a cost efficient system is relevant earlier in the rebuild to better absorb the ELC -> UFA pay bumps for your gamebreakers or if you have an internal cap limit.

Downgrading say Marner and Matthews to Aho and Fiala might be more cost efficient, and we might be able to get upgrades on Kerfoot and Holl with the savings, but we’re still looking at a forward group that scores 2 goals max in game 7s.

When you look at the playoffs right now do you think the 5 teams remaining are there because they have game breakers or because they're deep?

I'd rather split the pressure to score into 4 players instead of 2. I believe the team would be less reliant on luck and subject to variance if they increased the amount of players that could impact the game. Matthews/Marner can be shut down, we've seen it multiple times. If there were more players on the team that can step up when the top player isn't going that would allow the Leafs more possibilities to win.

Also - when is the last time this current Leafs core scored more than 2 goals in a game 7?