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So effectively our core guys will be the only ones who are going to chase money over winning.
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So effectively our core guys will be the only ones who are going to chase money over winning.
Yeah. I think they've shown that already.
If they come in less than that I'll be pleasantly surprised
SeaOfBlue
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They are not the first core players to chase money after their ELC's... They would be the first to do it twice though.
My expectation is that they come in lower than that... And if we are stuck with the only core players who care more about making contract money than winning anything, then we are truly cursed as an organization.
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What Nylander does between now and the playoffs will impact his contract.
What Matthews does between now and the playoffs is irrelevant.
If they accomplish something in the post-season, it will impact Nylander, but not Matthews.
Matthews is as much about marketing as performance.
Leafs will give Matthews what he asks for.
What Matthews signs for will determine what marner signs for.
There might be a one season where they run with 4-5 forwards on minimum deals.
Next year will be fine, 2024-2025 is going to be interesting.
What Matthews does between now and the playoffs is irrelevant.
If they accomplish something in the post-season, it will impact Nylander, but not Matthews.
Matthews is as much about marketing as performance.
Leafs will give Matthews what he asks for.
What Matthews signs for will determine what marner signs for.
There might be a one season where they run with 4-5 forwards on minimum deals.
Next year will be fine, 2024-2025 is going to be interesting.
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I did a skeleton roster on the previous page for the 1M salary increase, it was a lot better when it was another 4M in projected ceiling, 15M for 2 forward slots was pretty damn nice.
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I’m thinking 4M more. 13.5 and 9. The Leafs shouldn’t avoid signing someone they want because of 4M when you have Murray coming off the books that’s year and Woll making under 800k.
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Trade Tavares…..tough conversation for sure. Roll with Matthews/Marner. OReilly/Nylander.
Hope Nylander learns defensive responsibility from RR. Becomes our 2C in future. (Lot of work to do). Our D has some value contracts there but we could upgrade on one at least. Spend money/assets on a good-great goalie ffs.
Keep adding jam in the bottom 6. Acciari stays. Resign Kampf….damn he’s grown on me.
Side question: if JT did waive, what could we expect n return? Or is that AAV going to be a tough sell?
Hope Nylander learns defensive responsibility from RR. Becomes our 2C in future. (Lot of work to do). Our D has some value contracts there but we could upgrade on one at least. Spend money/assets on a good-great goalie ffs.
Keep adding jam in the bottom 6. Acciari stays. Resign Kampf….damn he’s grown on me.
Side question: if JT did waive, what could we expect n return? Or is that AAV going to be a tough sell?
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You’re probably paying to dump him at that point. The Leafs could retain 4M, bring him down to 7M and maybe entice someone but I don’t see it.
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@Puckstuff brouggt up a good point on the trade board that may help a little:
“Keep in mind after the leafs pay his bonuses his actual salary drops to 910 k for 2023 and 2024. And the team would only have to pay him one signing bonus of 7 million which bring the total financial commitment to just over 9 million over 2 years which is an average of 4.5 a year over 2 years.”
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Usually when you’re talking real money owed it’s because the destination is Arizona, Ottawa or Anaheim. Ottawa can’t afford him and Arizona/Anaheim have no incentive to pay assets to bring him in right now. I’d think whoever acquired him in this hypothetical would be a team that wants to win and they’d be more hindered by cap hit than actual dollars.
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I’m actually warming up to the idea of Nick Schmaltz out of Arizona, though I think there are some clear financial hurdles.
Not sure what the cost would be. And I’d prefer to keep ROR and Acciari first.
In general I think I prefer adding a RHC to enable JT to slip over to the wing and balance the lineup some, over adding another LW specifically.
More roster flexibility.
Not sure what the cost would be. And I’d prefer to keep ROR and Acciari first.
In general I think I prefer adding a RHC to enable JT to slip over to the wing and balance the lineup some, over adding another LW specifically.
More roster flexibility.
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But we're not "stuck with them" if we have a GM with any guts
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Ah yes, the "has guts" argument.
I've learned that the GM's "with guts" typically have more players just say "f- you" and leave at their earliest possible convenience. It is no better than the other end of the spectrum where a player tries to bleed you dry of every dollar.
Most players are not the latter, and most GMs are not the former either.
The vast majority of cases, players want to get their fair share and then care about winning/general comfort with the organization and city. If you pay them well post-ELC, top dollar is not their main concern the next time around. Bridge deals? They typically want top dollar.
Who is negotiating is generally irrelevant when it comes to that outside of convincing them about the vision... and I sincerely doubt our core guys are asking for more money than other places because they are concerned about the direction and vision of this team. Nor do they dislike Toronto or how the organization treats them (which is almost certainly better than anywhere they can realistically go).
The worst thing a GM can do after that is overvalue/insult a player... so hopefully Dubas doesn't think Matthews is worth 10% nor 20%.
Other than that, you pretty much just get what Lou said after signing Horvat: "It's too long and for too much money". Most fans and even media have no clue. We still have way too many people who think that these GMs don't use cap percentage instead of actual cap when negotiating...
There are way more teams than that that would take less salary commitment
STL lost their captain over signing bonuses
Nashville needs money.
Those are 2 places he could make sense
Regardless Tavares isn’t going anywhere
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What is with this place and Acciari? The guy is 31. He's not our token bottom 6 add.
What happened to the days you guys liked additions such as <30 year old Coleman, Goodrow, Jeannot, Bertuzzi etc. Actual depth adds that can help you win cups.
Heck, I'd even stick with 27 year old Kerfoot and Engvall over a > 30 year old bottom 6 guy because at least they still have a shot to have their best year. Acciari's best days are behind him.
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Acciari's next contract ask (term and AAV) should bring less risk with it in comparison to either of Kerfoot or Engvall. It'd also be fair to point out that there'd likely be less of a reward statistically with an Acciari as well. This really depends upon the role hoping to be filled.
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You say others are high and then want to stick with the same exact bottom 6 that has done nothing the past few playoffs and takes up 6 mil in cap.
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Plus to give up an entire draft class for Jeannot ...with 3 assists in 15gp...not sure he's the name I am throwing out there.
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Sorry, I missed something, but a bottom 6 with with a $6mm cap hit is excellent. That's $1mm each.
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I think they were referring to Engvall and Kerfoot pulling about 6M combined.
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Okay, then I'd say 6 million on 2 players isn't bad at all as long as those players contribute 3mm in value each.
Kerfoot did actually have a good playoffs one year, with Galchenyuk and Nylander. Unfortunately, Galchenyuk made one huge game changing mistake. Actually, that year, probably about 2 mistakes cost them the series. That and a non-existent 1st. line.
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