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Americanadian said:
Assuming LA wants him I’d aim for a package of Byfield, Clarke and Iafallo, Roy to balance salary. You get 2 young players who can impact your roster for the next 10 years. Byfield’s counting stats have been mediocre so far but his underlying numbers have been strong.

I’d RE-sign all of Bunting, ROR, Acciari, Samsonov and run:

Bunting-Tavares-Marner
Knies-Byfield-Nylander
Iafallo-ROR-Jarnkrok
X-Acciari-Lafferty

Rielly-Roy
McCabe-Brodie
Gio-Liljegren
Timmins

Samsonov
Woll

All of a sudden you have a young nucleus of Knies, Clarke, Byfield and you don’t have cap issues going forward.
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Every good team has cap issues.. at some point. Nice pieces, but the team isn't anywhere near as good, after removing Matthews. This is basically a Wild Card team.. not a contender.
 
Fogelhund said:
Every good team has cap issues.. at some point. Nice pieces, but the team isn't anywhere near as good, after removing Matthews. This is basically a Wild Card team.. not a contender.
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If they flame out in round 1 again can you really call them a contender now?

Sure they’re worse for next season but they get 2 strong pieces to build on going forward while clearing significant long term cap, assuming the alternative is giving Matthews 14M.

I’d prefer they reset their core than continue to run out the same team they have and doing nothing. I’d also prefer they hold their ground in negotiations and not put players above the team.
 
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Americanadian said:
If they flame out in round 1 again can you really call them a contender now?

Sure they’re worse for next season but they get 2 strong pieces to build on going forward while clearing significant long term cap, assuming the alternative is giving Matthews 14M.

I’d prefer they reset their core than continue to run out the same team they have and doing nothing. I’d also prefer they hold their ground in negotiations and not put players above the team.
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Oh... now you are introducing new variables into the discussion....LOL... Yes, if we flame out again in round 1, that is a different discussion. Some changes would be needed for sure.
 
Fogelhund said:
Trade him for what? We don't win that trade..... and we are basically in a rebuild.
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It's a good question, I'm not advocating for trading Matthews but just as a thought - I think there's a very real possibility to win a Matthews trade.

Because Matthews has the profile he does a team trading for him may look at it as an add bigger then just on the ice. Think ticket sales and merchandise, becoming relevant again, etc.

Still not easy as you need the perfect fit in terms of both resources to give up and willingness to take a huge swing and you need to hit on the young players you acquire.

Philly I think would be willing but I don't see the pieces. Anaheim and LA might have the pieces but hard to see the desire to take that big of a swing from either.

And in any Matthews trade you have to consider the cap. You don't just get the young and cheap players you get back, you also get let's say 13million to spend that would have went to Matthews.
 
Fogelhund said:
Oh... now you are introducing new variables into the discussion....LOL... Yes, if we flame out again in round 1, that is a different discussion. Some changes would be needed for sure.
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That was unfair on my part. If they win the cup then status quo. But for me if they lose to Boston then anyone should be on the table.
 
VanW27 said:
It's a good question, I'm not advocating for trading Matthews but just as a thought - I think there's a very real possibility to win a Matthews trade.

Because Matthews has the profile he does a team trading for him may look at it as an add bigger then just on the ice. Think ticket sales and merchandise, becoming relevant again, etc.

Still not easy as you need the perfect fit in terms of both resources to give up and willingness to take a huge swing and you need to hit on the young players you acquire.

Philly I think would be willing but I don't see the pieces. Anaheim and LA might have the pieces but hard to see the desire to take that big of a swing from either.

And in any Matthews trade you have to consider the cap. You don't just get the young and cheap players you get back, you also get let's say 13million to spend that would have went to Matthews.
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I think LA is in a perfect spot to acquire Matthews. They have a good lineup already, Kopitar’s contract expires when Matthews next deal begins. They have the prospect capital and roster players to make a deal.
 
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Americanadian said:
I think LA is in a perfect spot to acquire Matthews. They have a good lineup already, Kopitar’s contract expires when Matthews next deal begins. They have the prospect capital and roster players to make a deal.
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Happy to entertain the "what's next, what do we do next season", after this season is done. Let's hope for a successful playoffs, so we can just talk about that.
 
VanW27 said:
It's a good question, I'm not advocating for trading Matthews but just as a thought - I think there's a very real possibility to win a Matthews trade.

Because Matthews has the profile he does a team trading for him may look at it as an add bigger then just on the ice. Think ticket sales and merchandise, becoming relevant again, etc.

Still not easy as you need the perfect fit in terms of both resources to give up and willingness to take a huge swing and you need to hit on the young players you acquire.

Philly I think would be willing but I don't see the pieces. Anaheim and LA might have the pieces but hard to see the desire to take that big of a swing from either.

And in any Matthews trade you have to consider the cap. You don't just get the young and cheap players you get back, you also get let's say 13million to spend that would have went to Matthews.
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I can’t see them going for purely young players and picks if he does get traded, it would be something like Zibanejad + Lafreniere + imo.
 
Martin Skoula said:
I can’t see them going for purely young players and picks if he does get traded, it would be something like Zibanejad + Lafreniere + imo.
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I could see them going for a Tkachuk like package but that would be a short sighted mistake. They are already going to be a relatively old team and could use some youth.
 
Martin Skoula said:
I can’t see them going for purely young players and picks if he does get traded, it would be something like Zibanejad + Lafreniere + imo.
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Possibly, I doubt Mika would be a target but a guy like Kempe being included in a deal from LA makes sense to me (youngish, established goal scorer with term on a good deal).
 
Fogelhund said:
Personally, I'd focus on which UFA might be of interest, how the prospects are doing, when they will come over, and of course focus on the actual hockey.
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I'm personally more interested in potential player movement in the summer than the rest of these regular season games down the stretch. Personal choice though.

Unfortunately without a big player going out the UFAs coming in won't be anything special - assuming Bunting/ROR/Samsonov stay.
 
No chance Bunting is back unless its for bottom 6 money. He's a product of playing with elite players, he's not noticeable when he's not in the top 6.
 
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It’s always been pretty clear that Bunting would never produce the offensive numbers he has playing without Matthews and Marner. Without those two, he’s nothing more than a third liner.

Earlier in the season, I said I wouldn’t go more than 4 million per… That’s definitely gone down to 3 million per but he’s more of a 2.5 million per player.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
It’s always been pretty clear that Bunting would never produce the offensive numbers he has playing without Matthews and Marner. Without those two, he’s nothing more than a third liner.

Earlier in the season, I said I wouldn’t go more than 4 million per… That’s definitely gone down to 3 million per but he’s more of a 2.5 million per player.
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Honestly, works out for everyone but the player, but if Bunting's cost comes down a little bit by playing with lesser linemates, and we get him on a sweetheart deal before putting him back with Matthews... I mean would be a boon for us lol
 
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uncleben said:
Honestly, works out for everyone but the player, but if Bunting's cost comes down a little bit by playing with lesser linemates, and we get him on a sweetheart deal before putting him back with Matthews... I mean would be a boon for us lol
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Back in the day that was the play, put the guy on 3rd-4th line, hurt the stats a bit, negotiate extension.

In this case, if you just play Bunting on the 3rd line without any of the big guns and just ask "what are you?"
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Back in the day that was the play, put the guy on 3rd-4th line, hurt the stats a bit, negotiate extension.

In this case, if you just play Bunting on the 3rd line without any of the big guns and just ask "what are you?"
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I think it also show the rest of the league that Bunting is only good when he plays with AM and MM.
Pretty sure Oilers will sign him for 4-5mil and let him play with McD
 
Gabriel426 said:
As of now, unless he hits lightning in the playoffs, I think he might signs a 1yr deal and try to boast Ip his stats for the following summer.
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This is maybe the only scenario i would entertain at this point (i havent liked re signing him long term for a while now)

It comes down to knies robertson and steeves and the organization needs to make a definitive choice on who they want to proceed with

Personally i like holmberg to replace kerfoot and mcmann ideally for astonreese

So there could only be two lw spots next year. I think as much money needs to be allocated to defence and goaltending if sammy is being re signed.. so bunting turning into another kerfoot isnt very appealing
 
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