Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[m1ker]

In what way? I think if Rielly is going to be deployed as a 3rd pairing defender you have to move him. Can pay Guss 8 times less money to be a offensive 3rd pairing defender

You send a message to him by playing on the third and having him work his way back up to first by earning it. That's how you win

 

[Ziggdiezan]

You send a message to him by playing on the third and having him work his way back up to first by earning it. That's how you win

Like I said you can move him down temporarily, I just don't think he should be a fixture on the third pairing

 

[Zybalto]

Go watch Point’s OT goal again. It means a hell of alot more than those random percentages you posted.

You think that goal was on Holl?

 

[Americanadian]

Ya I figured they would somewhat arbitrary but I just don't like the idea of having the most expensive defender who makes 3 times more money than any other defender other than Brodie on the worst pairing. Just seems like bad cap management. Gio may not return next year depending on how things go so Rielly would slide up a spot regardless

Assuming McCabe-Brodie are a pairing who would you put with Rielly? Gio-Lily has performed much better than Rielly-Lily this year and Rielly-Holl is a non-starter.

As far as Gio goes next season - the only way I see him not coming back is if he suffers a career ending injury. He is still a very capable NHL defenseman and he's cheap next year.

There’s a reality where Rielly is paired with Schenn and still plays 20 minutes/night. I just put them down on paper as the 3rd pie because they are realistically the least reliable pair of the bunch.

For context: Rielly played with Lyubushkin during last years playoffs yet Rielly was 2nd in TOI/GP and Lyubushkin was 6th.

 

[m1ker]

Like I said you can move him down temporarily, I just don't think he should be a fixture on the third pairing

Keefe and Dubas need to stop sticking their neck out for these guys

 

[LaPlante94]

I see some people say Gustafsson is insurance for the PP if Rielly goes down, but why couldn't we just use Liljegren if that ever happened?

 

[Fogelhund]

All this complaining about line definitions. Who is on the third pair, third line. Who cares, just win. Being pencilled as a third pairing and then leading the team in ice time….The idea is to win, not conform to some random definition of how your pay grade should determine where you are in the pregame lineup sheet.

I see some people say Gustafsson is insurance for the PP if Rielly goes down, but why couldn't we just use Liljegren if that ever happened?

Compare their results this year. Gus has 11 PP assists. He’s good at the PP.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

It will be 28-32, the draft order goes like this:

32 Stanley Cup Winner
31 Stanley Cup Loser
30 ECF/WCF Loser
29 ECF/WCF Loser
29 Divison winner with most points who doesn't make conference final

I think we can assume that Boston is going t o win the Presidfent's Trophy meaning it's impossible for their ptick to be better than 28th.

Thanks for the info. It's something I never knew.

 

[LaPlante94]

All this complaining about line definitions. Who is on the third pair, third line. Who cares, just win. Being pencilled as a third pairing and then leading the team in ice time….The idea is to win, not conform to some random definition of how your pay grade should determine where you are in the pregame lineup sheet.


Compare their results this year. Gus has 11 PP assists. He’s good at the PP.

I know that and I don't mind it at all, but I'm sure another team could use that on their top PP or whatever and would give up at least a 2nd round pick for it. I just think Liljegren could run a PP as well if Rielly ever did go down.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I see some people say Gustafsson is insurance for the PP if Rielly goes down, but why couldn't we just use Liljegren if that ever happened?

Keefe never uses Liljegren on the PP so it’d be trial by fire for him. Wasted his hime putting Sandin on there and now he’s gone.

 

[Fogelhund]

I know that and I don't mind it at all, but I'm sure another team could use that on their top PP or whatever and would give up at least a 2nd round pick for it. I just think Liljegren could run a PP as well if Rielly ever did go down.

So we get a second round pick, that might do something for us in four or five years? This is a now team.

Let me ask this, if Lilly is your PP1 guy if Mo goes down, who is Your PP2 guy? Schenn? Holl?

Win now. Have insurance.

 

[BertCorbeau]

LOL, Dubas chose Gustafsson over a pick when they already have 7 good D.

If true, I dislike that call

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

LOL, Dubas chose Gustafsson over a pick when they already have 7 good D.

Who said this?

 

[LaPlante94]

So we get a second round pick, that might do something for us in four or five years? This is a now team.

Let me ask this, if Lilly is your PP1 guy if Mo goes down, who is Your PP2 guy? Schenn? Holl?

Win now. Have insurance.

The same as it is now. Gio hasn't gone anywhere and our 2nd PP unit barely touches the ice anyways. If we're all in and win now then I'm sure a 1st and a 2nd round pick this year will get you a big fish if we wanted to make that kind of move. If not then at least we can stock the prospect pool in a pretty deep draft with a 1st and 2nd round pick. Don't think that's a bad alternative over having Gustafsson sitting in the press box waiting for Rielly to get injured.

 

[Lightsol]

Go watch Point’s OT goal again. It means a hell of alot more than those random percentages you posted.

That's my feeling too. Yeah, advanced stats can be useful, but it seems like you keep running into the problem of players having good advanced stats, but being clear liabilities for reasons that don't show up on the sheet. There's a reason I mentioned Jake Gardiner, because him and Holl have the same problem; pressure tends to cause them to have brainfarts. All the advanced stats in the world don't matter if the other team knows that the player will break if you throw the puck into the corner and then run at them.

 

[Americanadian]

So we get a second round pick, that might do something for us in four or five years? This is a now team.

Let me ask this, if Lilly is your PP1 guy if Mo goes down, who is Your PP2 guy? Schenn? Holl?

Win now. Have insurance.

I agree with your sentiment but they literally played Gio on PP2 last night.

 

[Kurtz]

Romanov went for the 13th pick, I believe. And his results were dog shit compared to Sandin.

That was an overpayment by Lou. Speaking of Lou, he also dealt Toews, a superior young dman to Sandin, for a pair of 2nds.

Evidently insiders were skeptical that Sandin would be able to return a first, especially given that he'd be an extra in the playoffs. I see that trade as a likely win for all parties involved tbh.

 

[Tak7]

Kyle Dubas presser, post-deadline:

1 - On whether he expected to be busy on deadline day: felt that when they made their moves earlier in the week, and especially after the 3 moves on Tuesday, that it would be fairly quiet for rest of the week barring anything unforeseen.​

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2 - On the rarity of a top team making this much change: his goal wasn't to make lots of change, but identify what they needed as a team, address that, and then deal with the ramifications from a cap & player count perspective. Plan in flat cap season was to always take the first 40 games and evaluate what you had, and then act after that. Says that his comfort with the group's ability to adapt to new players coming in, gave him confidence to make these moves. Also points out that guys like ROR and Schenn arrive with personalities of being some of the best guys in hockey, so makes it easy to insert those pieces into the room. Does admit that once flurry of Tuesday moves were complete, they did turn discussion towards having the right chemistry in the room and not wanting to tweak it too much further. Feels he has addressed what the team needs, and now wanted to give players & coaches the ability to settle down and get to work.​

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3 - On the lack of goaltending upgrades: remains very confident in club's goaltending. Key assessment for the team was seeing how Ilya Samsanov would respond / recover when things weren't going well. Says he's done an excellent job with that - follows up his rare struggles with strong bounce performances. Says Murray will be back very soon, and points to Woll being an AHL All-Star who has played very well at the NHL level so far. Also says club have Kallgren. Matt Murray has experience winning the cup, and he believes in Samsanov & Woll's potential.​

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4 - On the Gustafsson / Sandin deal - On the Sandin trade, liked that they got a 1st rounder and a body that could help. Points to the Marlies needing some help on the blueline, and this deal helped the team more than moving Sandin just for draft capital. Team has discussed Gustafsson for some time, going back to the summer.​

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5 - On getting Schenn - Felt that on the back end, needed 1 more size/physical defender with plenty of experience was important. Says acquiring the draft pick for Engvall helped move things along and was best for the club's overall depth.​

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6 - On Sandin - Been part of the organization for 5 years. As they evaluated the blueline, felt like the draft capital would allow them to either add high end prospect at draft, or survey the trade market heading into the draft.​

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7 - On why so much trade activity happened early this year - Can only speak for themselves. Felt that once St. Louis went active early with moving Tarasenko, came to realization that Blues wanted to continue moving quickly as Armstrong had a number of different pieces in play to retool. The longer you can have new guys in, the better, as it helps them get settled in faster and rolling.​

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8 - On carrying 9 NHL-quality Dmen and what drawbacks come with that - Admits to resency bias going back to November when only Giordano and Holl were healthy full time NHLers on the blueline. Would prefer to have many options, and thinks competition for places doesn't hurt. Doesn't just fall on Keefe to figure out the D-core, and he will work closely with Keefe to manage all the bodies. Says roster limits being lifted today will allow the club to manage all 9 Dmen, plus bring in a 13th forward should they require it. Says he would much rather be in a position where they have 1 too many Dmen, instead of 1 too few.​

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9 - On how the team is different now - The third period in Edmonton exemplifies how they are different. More competitive, more sacrifice, more putting themselves on the line to do the unsexy and unfancy things that help them win. Feels internally that their own players have done much better job improving in that regard as well.​

10 - On the pressure on the core, and Matthews' struggles - Auston has played through some injuries. Has improved defensively & overall as a player, and if this is considered a "down" season for him, that's a great sign. Says he likes that the core have helped lift each other this season - when one guy isn't going, the others step up and carry each other. Says the playoffs will come down to everyone executing their role, and thinks the core is at that stage where they will take that step.​

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11 - On finding that balance between maintaining chemistry & wanting to add pieces - says being around the group and having a sense for what they can handle, helps. Knowing how different guys impact the team, and their contributions off the ice, is something he measures. Relies on the team's Personel Department to know about the people they are bringing in & what impacts they can have. Feedback on all 6 people they've brought in this past week, have been exemplary.​

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12 - On how he now views this team - The goal is to win, and to set themselves up for success. Have to ready ourselves every day for what's ahead. Calls Tampa a "championship organization" everyday, and that "hard things are hard" - says that they know that, and have to work towards it and be ready. Says that his group need that challenge, and thinks they thrive under it.​

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13 - On Murray's health - No setbacks. In full practice today, and assuming he comes through, it's down to the medical staff & coaches on when he's back in. Doesn't anticipate it being long.​

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14 - On what it's like getting a deal over the line - Calls it a relief. Always apprehensive that a deal won't get done, and suggests that could have been motivator this week to get business done early. Says it's a good feeling to get it done, and then focus immediately changes to how it will all fit. Credits his staff for helping deals come together.​

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15 - On O'Rielly's impact - Off the ice, he's fit in seemlessly. His preparation & practice habits have been excellent. On the ice, he's producing right off the bat. More importantly, the way he plays is always the right way for a player and team that wants to win. Not always stuff that stands out, but is always does things like being above his man to prevent clean breakouts, and has great stick details. Says he does a lot of things that he feels are vitally important to winning in the post-season. Believes it's starting to impact others on the team.​

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16 - On newly acquired Radim Zohorna - Adds to center depth. Scouting staff felt he played really well for Calgary, especially in the minors. Felt like they had excess on wing, and feels you can never have too many center options. Liked idea of adding non-veteran to the Marlies as help. Wants Marlies to win as well - currently in 1st place having a really good season. Wanted to do right by Marlies staff, and not have too many veterans there (Hunt is 28).​

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[Lemontree]

You think that goal was on Holl?

Yes. He goes wide along the boards to try and defend Hagel (puck carrier at a non shooting/scoring angle) without an active stick which gives Hagel in easy passing lane into the slot, leaving the middle of the ice wide open. In typical Holl fashion he lumbers back to the front of the net with no purpose or intent to put Point on his ass while he is whacking away at the rebound. If Point does not whack that puck in I guarantee that Holl would have knocked it in as he wonders into Campbell a split second after the puck crosses the goal line.

This sequence is overtime of Game 6 with the Leafs up 3-2 in the series. Kerfoot and Holl showed exactly the players they are in pivotal moments of elimination games in last years playoffs. The fact that both them are on the roster and expected to contribute this playoff run shows that the people "leading" this organization still don't know what they are doing. Vast majority of posters here will be scratching their heads and proclaiming "bad luck" or "we are cursed" after another first round exit.

 

[Puckstuff]

Assuming McCabe-Brodie are a pairing who would you put with Rielly? Gio-Lily has performed much better than Rielly-Lily this year and Rielly-Holl is a non-starter.

As far as Gio goes next season - the only way I see him not coming back is if he suffers a career ending injury. He is still a very capable NHL defenseman and he's cheap next year.


For context: Rielly played with Lyubushkin during last years playoffs yet Rielly was 2nd in TOI/GP and Lyubushkin was 6th.

According to Canucks fans, Schenn was fantastic with Hughes who was another offensive D-man like Rielly. So I’d go with my two shutdown units and Rielly-Schenn


McCabe-Brodie
Rielly-Schenn
Giordano-Liljegren

Holl, Gus and Timmins are the clear 7-8-9 for me.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Abridged assessment of the Leafs now:

 

[mcleex]

When does the trade deadline officially end? Is it 11:59 PM?

 

[BertCorbeau]

When does the trade deadline officially end? Is it 11:59 PM?

3pm EST .. it's passed now.

 

[Fogelhund]

When does the trade deadline officially end? Is it 11:59 PM?

3PM.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Have to give Dubas props for not giving up their top prospects at the deadline and still ending up with 1st round picks in this years' draft and next.

One or two trades in the off-season can re-stock that draft capital as well.

Team is still poised to have some young talent join the roster in the next 1-3 years.