Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[CuuuJooo]

Marcus Foligno would be good, not as expensive as Wilson but he will do the job.

NO MORE FOLIGNOS.

 

[Brobust]

Who said this?

In his post-TDL press scrum.

 

[Fogelhund]

Top Six forward acquired.
Two bottom six forwards acquired. Both are physical, good defensively while no loss in production
Three D acquired. One top four, strong defensively, physical. One 6/7 physical, tops in league in hits, one 7/8 for us, 11 PP points with Washington, more points than any of our guys.

Still have all top prospects, a 1st round pick in 2023.

Of value, we gave up Sandin, Engvall and 2024 1st rounder. Sure we have up more overall, but not of real significance.

Acquiring a top six forward pushes Jarnkrok to bottom six, automatically increasing our bottom six production. Adding Acciari gives us a depth C, who is good at Faceoffs as well as the physicality.

I don’t know how anyone can complain about these changes, it’s what you’ve all asked for… maybe some different names than you personally asked for, but all targets were achieved. Now it’s up to the boys.

 

[Gabriel426]

I think they may cull up a Marlie like Holmberg or McMann until Kniew arrives and try them on the 4th line.in place of ZAR some games.

I can see that too.

 

[Tak7]

In his post-TDL press scrum.

He said it was a secondary pick that they were going to use to get another Dman, but felt Gustafsson's cost was higher than the pick, so they took the asset instead. They've tracked Gustafsson for a while, including last summer.

Wanted to move a body to the Marlies as well, especially on their powerplay.

 

[BertCorbeau]

I can see that too.

Might as well. At this point it’s about finding out which line combos and D-pairings have the quickest chemistry

 

[Kiwi]

Top Six forward acquired.
Two bottom six forwards acquired. Both are physical, good defensively while no loss in production
Three D acquired. One top four, strong defensively, physical. One 6/7 physical, tops in league in hits, one 7/8 for us, 11 PP points with Washington, more points than any of our guys.

Still have all top prospects, a 1st round pick in 2023.

Of value, we gave up Sandin, Engvall and 2024 1st rounder. Sure we have up more overall, but not of real significance.

Acquiring a top six forward pushes Jarnkrok to bottom six, automatically increasing our bottom six production. Adding Acciari gives us a depth C, who is good at Faceoffs as well as the physicality.

I don’t know how anyone can complain about these changes, it’s what you’ve all asked for… maybe some different names than you personally asked for, but all targets were achieved. Now it’s up to the boys.

I thought Dubas did a good job but I do think we are still short a middle 6 forward

Maybe Knies could be that guy, maybe even Holmberg or McMann but that 3rd line still lacks imo

 

[BertCorbeau]

I thought Dubas did a good job but I do think we are still short a middle 6 forward

Maybe Knies couple be that guy, may even Holmberg or McMann but that 3rd line still lacks imo

Agreed.. I think it probably came down to who was available and the cost, and something didn’t make sense

Be curious to know the options

 

[Zybalto]

Yes. He goes wide along the boards to try and defend Hagel (puck carrier at a non shooting/scoring angle) without an active stick which gives Hagel in easy passing lane into the slot, leaving the middle of the ice wide open. In typical Holl fashion he lumbers back to the front of the net with no purpose or intent to put Point on his ass while he is whacking away at the rebound. If Point does not whack that puck in I guarantee that Holl would have knocked it in as he wonders into Campbell a split second after the puck crosses the goal line.

This sequence is overtime of Game 6 with the Leafs up 3-2 in the series. Kerfoot and Holl showed exactly the players they are in pivotal moments of elimination games in last years playoffs. The fact that both them are on the roster and expected to contribute this playoff run shows that the people "leading" this organization still don't know what they are doing. Vast majority of posters here will be scratching their heads and proclaiming "bad luck" or "we are cursed" after another first round exit.

So the whole sequence had nothing to do with Marner with the bad flip pass, Matthews tripping over the invisible red line and when Marner gets beat cleanly by Hagel up the boards, Hagel has all the time in the world including even a net drive so Holl reacts by trying to pressure him quickly with his stick and body and misses blocking the pass. Out front, Bunting had blown the zone and was coasting back in Ovi like fashion so the pass finds the open man. Campbell makes the save and then acts like the puck sitting right in front of him vanishes and he incredibly lifts his pad up to let the rebound through and it is then knocked into the net by Bunting in behind him.


Theres a whole lot that went wrong here and Holl was part of it. Singling out Holl here is insane.

 

[Kiwi]

Agreed.. I think it probably came down to who was available and the cost, and something didn’t make sense

Be curious to know the options

I was looking through other rosters looking for a fit and I struggled to find anything

I think the market had just run dry

 

[Gabriel426]

Might as well. At this point it’s about finding out which line combos and D-pairings have the quickest chemistry

Yep and also learn the new system and style.
Like how they played in the 3rd last night. They need to do that from the start and bring it every game.

 

[Gabriel426]

I was looking through other rosters looking for a fit and I struggled to find anything

I think the market had just run dry

I really don’t think there are any guys available that were traded today that make any senses for the Leafs.

Think Bertuzzi was someone Dubas was looking at and I do feel it was the Visa problem that stopped the deal.

Anyhow, it is up to Keefe to manage the team and spread the offence bc if he sticks with top 6 and bottom 6, I don’t think it will work in the playoffs. Need to be top 9 and 4th line.

 

[The Podium]

I like that the 1st is Bostons. Added incentive to beat them and make it higher.

 

[Kiwi]

I really don’t think there are any guys available that were traded today that make any senses for the Leafs.

Think Bertuzzi was someone Dubas was looking at and I do feel it was the Visa problem that stopped the deal.

Anyhow, it is up to Keefe to manage the team and spread the offence bc if he sticks with top 6 and bottom 6, I don’t think it will work in the playoffs. Need to be top 9 and 4th line.

The only guy I thought might fit was Vrana but I can understand if they didn't want to walk into that minefield

 

[LaPlante94]

The only guy I thought might fit was Vrana but I can understand if they didn't want to walk into that minefield

Pius Suter maybe. I don't know his game too much but I saw someone say he'd be a Coleman like pickup so who knows if that's true.

 

[Gabriel426]

Of all the trades that happened starting with the Horvat trade.
I would not change the ROR, Acciari and Piller trade and I would even say this is a trade Bruins, TB, Canes, Devils, Oilers and even the Rangers would love.
Kane is someone I wish the rumours of him wanting only Leafs and Rangers were true but it seemed like he only wanted Rnagers.
I also like the Tank trade but ROR is better for the Leafs and is also a better player.
Orlov and Hathaway Vs McCabe and Lafferty. Since it cost similar assets, Orlov and Hathaway are better due to Orlov but considering McCabe is here for 2more yrs after this and Lafferty for one more after this, I will take the McCabe and Lafferty deal. Since with a good playoffs Orlov will just price himself out for the Leafs if he was traded to us.
Schenn and Gus are depth Dmen which gave Keefe option esp Schenn. I am against Schenn trade before bc he is not top pairing D and the cost would be high but a 3rd is great value for a depth Dman. Also guys like Perry, Maroon and Kuch will be in check for all the after whistle activities when Schenn is in the lineup. Gus is depth but Hainsey was brought in as depth Dman a few years ago with the Pens and he ended up being their top D in the Cup run. Maybe Gus can be our Hainsey.
Bertuzzi is someone I wish we got but believe to be the Vaccine Work VISA thing.
Ekholm is the Dman I wish Leafs got and is the best Dman that switched teams but his cap is too high for the Leafs to fit in now or next few seasons.
Quick would have been interesting but just glad he went to Vegas instead of the Sens.

The only guy I thought might fit was Vrana but I can understand if they didn't want to walk into that minefield

Don’t think they want to risk it

 

[thusk]

I agree with your sentiment but they literally played Gio on PP2 last night.

How??? Gio played 9 second on pp...

 

[-DeMo-]

We were the 2nd best offensive team last year in and the final 3 games of the Tampa series, Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander scored or assisted on every single goal with 0 contributions from the defense or bottom 6 with the exception of the 1 goal by Morgan Rielly in Game 7.

players who play in the bottom 6 roles do so because there not good enough to contribute regularly that's why there on the 3rd or 4th line, for example a player who puts up 40 points doesn't get those points by getting one every other game, he will go in streaks weather that's getting 7-8 points in a 10 game stretch to going 10 games with no points and it averages out over 82 games. this is why players play in the bottom 6 if they were consistent they would be better players. your talking about a 3 game sample size one of which the very best bottom 6 could go cold and not produce offensively. it's kind of ridiculous to say the 2nd highest scoring team in the league last year lost because of goal scoring in the sense that they needed to add more offensive talent. the offensive was good enough they happened not to produce in one game which cost us this happens all the time every team gets shut out from time to time.

 

[Lemontree]

So the whole sequence had nothing to do with Marner with the bad flip pass, Matthews tripping over the invisible red line and when Marner gets beat cleanly by Hagel up the boards, Hagel has all the time in the world including even a net drive so Holl reacts by trying to pressure him quickly with his stick and body and misses blocking the pass. Out front, Bunting had blown the zone and was coasting back in Ovi like fashion so the pass finds the open man. Campbell makes the save and then acts like the puck sitting right in front of him vanishes and he incredibly lifts his pad up to let the rebound through and it is then knocked into the net by Bunting in behind him.


Theres a whole lot that went wrong here and Holl was part of it. Singling out Holl here is insane.

So you don't disagree at all with what I said regarding how Holl "defended" on the play. Holl taking himself out of defensive position is the biggest issue with the play and what resulted in the goal.

 

[PromisedLand]

just coming home. I guess we didnt do much today huh

 

[Zybalto]

So you don't disagree at all with what I said regarding how Holl "defended" on the play. Holl taking himself out of defensive position is the biggest issue with the play and what resulted in the goal.

Campbell going full airhead and lifting his pad up to let the rebound in was by far the worst thing. All the other errors dont come close.

Breakdowns happen all the time for both teams. A mistake by Marner led to Holl feeling he needed to pressure Hagel quickly. If he blocks the pass, he's a hero but he didnt. Thats on him. Campbell stopped the shot and just needed to stay square. Absolute soft goal by the Leafs goalie in a big game (AGAIN) right after Vasy stood on his head in a period the Leafs were the better team in up to that point.

The big problem I see is that if we switched Marner and Holl, 100% you would still be claiming Holl was the main issue. A horrible flip pass that led to the whole thing plus getting cleanly beaten to the outside leading to a 3 on 2 down low? That would be on Holl too right? Hell, if Holl was Gio on that play he would still get blamed for "not staying with his man" or "falling down taking himself out of the play". I've seen how this all operates for a long time now.

 

[Gabriel426]

just coming home. I guess we didnt do much today huh

Made a huge trade with the Flames. Someone huge is coming our way.

 

[Lemontree]

Campbell going full airhead and lifting his pad up to let the rebound in was by far the worst thing. All the other errors dont come close.

Breakdowns happen all the time for both teams. A mistake by Marner led to Holl feeling he needed to pressure Hagel quickly. If he blocks the pass, he's a hero but he didnt. Thats on him. Campbell stopped the shot and just needed to stay square. Absolute soft goal by the Leafs goalie in a big game (AGAIN) right after Vasy stood on his head in a period the Leafs were the better team in up to that point.

The big problem I see is that if we switched Marner and Holl, 100% you would still be claiming Holl was the main issue. A horrible flip pass that led to the whole thing plus getting cleanly beaten to the outside leading to a 3 on 2 down low? That would be on Holl too right? Hell, if Holl was Gio on that play he would still get blamed for "not staying with his man" or "falling down taking himself out of the play". I've seen how this all operates for a long time now.

What if Morgan Reilly was the player who did exactly what Holl did on this play? How would that be viewed around here?

 

[Zybalto]

What if Morgan Reilly was the player who did exactly what Holl did on this play? How would that be viewed around here?

He's not really the "Saint Morgan" of the past so he would take some heat, not as much as Holl has though.

If that was Liljegren, it would be barely a whisper IMO and Marner would have gotten crushed.

Campbell got next to 0 heat for just how badly he played in big games though. Being really likable has its merits.

 

[Lemontree]

He's not really the "Saint Morgan" of the past so he would take some heat, not as much as Holl has though.

If that was Liljegren, it would be barely a whisper IMO and Marner would have gotten crushed.

Campbell got next to 0 heat for just how badly he played in big games though. Being really likable has its merits.

Could it be that Justin Holl brings nothing else to the NHL and if he is unable to read and react in the defensive zone that there is 0 reason for him to every step foot in the NHL? His skating, on ice decision making/vision, and puck skills are average in the AHL.