Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Fogelhund]

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[DragoGrizzly]

I’m fine with not making any more moves. Dubas did a fine job making this roster more playoff ready. And selfishly I always like having a first rounder to look forward to on draft day, helps make reading up on the draft class more interesting! Although who am I kidding, Dubas will trade that 1st for a 2nd and 3rd at the draft.

 

[justashadowof]

Brothers traded for one another and a player set to play for his 4th NHL team this season (I can't recall that happening before). What's the 3rd weird trade? Future considerations traded for future considerations?

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

What does he do better in the pressbox for the rest of the season that Gustafsson couldn't? lol

Sandin lost his job and was going to be pressboxed for the next 1.5 seasons, plus had already asked for a trade before the season.

How can he do more than Gustafsson when neither will be playing?

Then why not wait and get that value in the off-season? If Sandin is better than Gustafsson now (which I believe he is) and we’re going into a playoff run where people are for sure going to get hurt, I’d rather have him in the line up as an option then downgrade in the short term for a pick.

 

[Warden of the North]

Coyotes save money and use existing jersey.

We laugh but this was probably a consideration.

 

[All Mod Cons]

3 years of hearing Holl and Kerplunk trade proposals. I knew they'd never get moved.

 

[WildWolfdog]

What is Button talking about? Klingberg was an absolute tire fire in his own zone last year, especially in the playoffs

There's a reason he's an "analyst" and no longer part of any FO.

 

[cyris]

How do we know that? He's played less than 8 minutes in the playoffs

Fair but we have seen Engvall in the playoffs and he has been pretty much invisible. If he can throw a hit a couple times a series he is and upgrade on what Engvall has given us

 

[TheRumble]

Lafferty is an upgrade over Engvall in the playoffs. Maybe not in the regular season.

They're completely different players despite the similar levels of production. I dunno much about Lafferty but Engvall does a lot of things he doesn't and vice versa. Engvall notably can't be a PKer, has a decent shot for the 2nd PP and importantly he was the only guy on the bottom 6 that could consistently get the puck into the offensive zone. I would have rather they just kept Lafferty and Engvall if that was the case since they kinda compliment each other's styles. One guy transitions the puck into the zone the other grinds and keeps it in.

 

[SprDaVE]

Then why not wait and get that value in the off-season? If Sandin is better than Gustafsson now (which I believe he is) and we’re going into a playoff run where people are for sure going to get hurt, I’d rather have him in the line up as an option then downgrade in the short term for a pick.

You think his value is higher in the off-season after sitting out for probably a good chunk of the remaining games?

He's a good player but unfortunately, he didn't progress enough or give the Leafs enough to play a role they needed. Depth is great to have for sure but for the role, Gustafson should give the Leafs similar value.

 

[dubplatepressure]

How have we not traded a defenseman yet

 

[Americanadian]

The value is poor especially now that Gus isn't getting flipped. Just cause Sandin is being a baby doesn't mean you just trade him for the first package you get. Can you go a few minutes without fluffing everything KD does lol? And this is coming from someone who generally likes Kyle.

I agree that Gus is being wasted but Sandin realistically wasn't playing this year or next. The Leafs have 4 LHD (although Brodie will play RD) better than Sandin next year. He was approaching Dermott territory not Liljegren territory. At best you keep him so he can play 3LD in 2024-24? There was no future for him. They get the same return that NYR got for Lundkvist which checks out.

 

[rojac]

Then why not wait and get that value in the off-season? If Sandin is better than Gustafsson now (which I believe he is) and we’re going into a playoff run where people are for sure going to get hurt, I’d rather have him in the line up as an option then downgrade in the short term for a pick.

If Sandin is disgruntled, they may have not wanted him around. Or it's possible that he asked for a trade. There was talk that he asked for a trade last falll before fnally signing.

 

[Gabriel426]

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Left shot Vs right shot??

 

[cyris]

Brothers traded for one another and a player set to play for his 4th NHL team this season (I can't recall that happening before). What's the 3rd weird trade? Future considerations traded for future considerations?

Dryden Hunt got traded from us to his 4th organization this year

 

[Americanadian]

Then why not wait and get that value in the off-season? If Sandin is better than Gustafsson now (which I believe he is) and we’re going into a playoff run where people are for sure going to get hurt, I’d rather have him in the line up as an option then downgrade in the short term for a pick.

Gustafsson is probably better than Sandin today based on his play in WSH this season.

 

[Burnie97]

What is Button talking about? Klingberg was an absolute tire fire in his own zone last year, especially in the playoffs

Well that's just it. Button doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Morgs]

Here are my grades:

ROR + Accari trade: B+

I hate trading 1sts for rentals. Hate it. If we are going to trade one, a recent Conn Smythe winner who can either make our 3rd line relevant or play on the 2nd line is likely the way to go about it. Wouldn't mind re-signing him too. Accari is a good 4th line add. Great trade, but of an overpayment for my taste.

McCabe + Lafferty trade: A

I hate trading 1sts in general too for non-star players but McCabe is a proven 2-way defenseman signed for 2.5 years at 2M a season. He's Muzzin lite, and should look great beside Brodie in the playoffs. Lafferty I'm meh on, but cheap NHL depth for another season. Feels like he paid a good price, shored up the top-4, and added a guy for 3 runs.

Schenn trade: C

I don't get it. This is a typical Dubas deadline move that the media seem to consistently praise and say "Dubas FINALLY goes after a guy we wanted" essentially. Grit, intangibles, etc. Okay, he's the 9th best defenseman on this team and although he's a good enough #6 at this point, we had no need for that. Asset cost is fine, player is fine. Just doesn't fit any need whatsoever without moving out a defenseman.

Sandin trade: A-

I get it. I really do. If you're not sure about Ras, and based on the usage, Keefe isn't, you have to move him to a) keep him happy and b) ensure you get a great return. Unless you were trading him for an upgrade or multiple pieces that *could* be you're likely losing this
s trade in the long run. A 1st to recoup the two traded, and a guy who's essentially been the better version of Sandin *this season* is about as big a W as you can ask for trading an asset like him. They better use Gus though if he fits in the system. I have it ad a good trade today, but honestly it could look super dumb as soon as tomorrow.

Engvall trade: F

I love getting assets for UFA players, but I have no idea why you'd trade Engvall for a 3rd. At this moment in time there's no better player in the bottom-6, and you didn't acquire someone to replace him. I get people hated the fact he didn't hit, but he was extremely strong at puck removal, defense, play driving, and occasionally had a scoring touch. He's the *exact* player we should have more of, not trade a 3rd for. If it's a money issue, you could have traded Holl and been fine as Holl is arguably the 7th best defenseman on this team now. If it's an internal issue I'd love to know. Anything else? Makes less than 0 sense.

Overall I think the team is improved today compared to the ROR trade, but it seems to be lacking 1 piece in a middle-6 winger that can drive play. Also feels like a waste of assets to hold onto both of Holl and Gus, but what do I know.

 

[cyris]

How have we not traded a defenseman yet

Because we didn’t need to.

 

[rojac]

I agree that Gus is being wasted but Sandin realistically wasn't playing this year or next. The Leafs have 4 LHD (although Brodie will play RD) better than Sandin next year. He was approaching Dermott territory not Liljegren territory. At best you keep him so he can play 3LD in 2024-24? There was no future for him. They get the same return that NYR got for Lundkvist which checks out.

So, basically, you don't teams just have NHL quality d-men as spaces for the playoff run? I'll suspect they'll slot him in some games down the stretch and he's always an option in the playoffs if they feel they need more offense from the D-corpss.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Because we didn’t need to.

lol

 

[Kiwi]

My one concern is that our third line still sucks. I like ROR in the top 6

We're going to play our top 6 a ton, hopefully they hold up

 

[justashadowof]

Dryden Hunt got traded from us to his 4th organization this year

What do you think I was referring to other than that?

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

If Sandin is disgruntled, they may have not wanted him around. Or it's possible that he asked for a trade. There was talk that he asked for a trade last falll before fnally signing.

By all accounts he was well liked in the locker room. Sure there might be details we don’t know but on its face I don’t see that deal as doing much for our team in this playoff which is the important thing.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Here are my grades:

ROR + Accari trade: B+

I hate trading 1sts for rentals. Hate it. If we are going to trade one, a recent Conn Smythe winner who can either make our 3rd line relevant or play on the 2nd line is likely the way to go about it. Wouldn't mind re-signing him too. Accari is a good 4th line add. Great trade, but of an overpayment for my taste.

McCabe + Lafferty trade: A

I hate trading 1sts in general too for non-star players but McCabe is a proven 2-way defenseman signed for 2.5 years at 2M a season. He's Muzzin lite, and should look great beside Brodie in the playoffs. Lafferty I'm meh on, but cheap NHL depth for another season. Feels like he paid a good price, shored up the top-4, and added a guy for 3 runs.

Schenn trade: C

I don't get it. This is a typical Dubas deadline move that the media seem to consistently praise and say "Dubas FINALLY goes after a guy we wanted" essentially. Grit, intangibles, etc. Okay, he's the 9th best defenseman on this team and although he's a good enough #6 at this point, we had no need for that. Asset cost is fine, player is fine. Just doesn't fit any need whatsoever without moving out a defenseman.

Sandin trade: A-

I get it. I really do. If you're not sure about Ras, and based on the usage, Keefe isn't, you have to move him to a) keep him happy and b) ensure you get a great return. Unless you were trading him for an upgrade or multiple pieces that *could* be you're likely losing this
s trade in the long run. A 1st to recoup the two traded, and a guy who's essentially been the better version of Sandin *this season* is about as big a W as you can ask for trading an asset like him. They better use Gus though if he fits in the system. I have it ad a good trade today, but honestly it could look super dumb as soon as tomorrow.

Engvall trade: F

I love getting assets for UFA players, but I have no idea why you'd trade Engvall for a 3rd. At this moment in time there's no better player in the bottom-6, and you didn't acquire someone to replace him. I get people hated the fact he didn't hit, but he was extremely strong at puck removal, defense, play driving, and occasionally had a scoring touch. He's the *exact* player we should have more of, not trade a 3rd for. If it's a money issue, you could have traded Holl and been fine as Holl is arguably the 7th best defenseman on this team now. If it's an internal issue I'd love to know. Anything else? Makes less than 0 sense.

How would Schenn be a C, when your description is what it was?