Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Menzinger]

I usually wouldn't be for this but I think the biggest argument for it, is that its Hellebuyck and that he's one of the few remaining consistent #1's you can count on.

Maybe the key to stop getting eliminated from being "Goalied" is to get a goaltender that starts doing that regularly to the other team .

Free agency looks scarce though (which funnily enough may make moving Murray a bit easier).

What would we be willing for the team to get that goalie? The 1st? Minten? Liljegren?

 

[weems]

Free agency looks scarce though (which funnily enough may make moving Murray a bit easier).

What would we be willing for the team to get that goalie? The 1st? Minten? Liljegren?

I am not very good with trade values or cap knowledge so would have no idea what a fair trade would look like.

I am just talking more from a coachs pov and how we could play or what our potential strengths could be.

Hyper offensive with gambling at the goalie position is a pro analytics take and it can certainly work out.

Maybe we flip the script, get a true elite #1 and don't have to worry about that position for the next 3-5 years.

 

[Stephen]

Brown is 100% yes.
Perry is a Yes too.

Domi is probably not a good signing as he is really nothing like his father.

Max isn’t like Tie at all but I think he has a missing bit of arrogance on the ice that we don’t always have. He’s skilled but also has an occasional snap show ability.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

If Connor Brown will sign for less than $3M then sure. Other than that, not really interested.

Maybe 2 years @ $3M per. Or 3 years @ $2.5M.

 

[Dreakmur]

If Connor Brown will sign for less than $3M then sure. Other than that, not really interested.

Maybe 2 years @ $3M per. Or 3 years @ $2.5M.

I liked Brown when he was here, but not really interested in bringing back the older and declining version of that.

 

[WillNy29]

When is the last time a top end player was traded for a package of lesser parts and the team getting the best player outright won the deal? Ignoring pending UFA's at the deadline.

The selling team won the following trades:

Karlsson
Duchene
Eichel
Pacioretty
Jones

The ROR and probably the Chychrun trades are even.

I don't count the Tkachuk trade because a lot of people thought Huberdeau was better than Tkachuk at the time.

The McDonagh trade was probably the last outright win for a player with term.

this guy might win the cup and conne smythe so not sure about this

I'd retain 50% on Matthews and take back Peterson if it meant getting one of Vilardi/Byfield+Clarke+Iafallo. It would open up cap space for them.

in this scenario when and where do we get a good 1C from or are we planning to try to compete without one again?

 

[Legion34]

Max isn’t like Tie at all but I think he has a missing bit of arrogance on the ice that we don’t always have. He’s skilled but also has an occasional snap show ability.

Yep he mostly floats. Good offensive skill and seems to have a knack for big goals

But he fights 1-2 a year and hits like matthews

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Free agency looks scarce though (which funnily enough may make moving Murray a bit easier).

What would we be willing for the team to get that goalie? The 1st? Minten? Liljegren?

Let’s hypothetically say we’re moving Marner. Helly is up for sale. What package would you need back to make that move? Is it straight across? Do they add?

 

[Stephen]

Yep he mostly floats. Good offensive skill and seems to have a knack for big goals

But he fights 1-2 a year and hits like matthews

I think kind of in the Brandon Hagel realm of skillsy, but annoying.

 

[al secord]

I’m not disagreeing with you on what your team needs, but when a generational talent like Matthews becomes available potentially you put your “specific team needs” aside.

It’s almost like saying we don’t have a need for McDavid because we already have our number 1 center in Matthews.

You acquire that generational talent and worry about the rest afterwards.

Seems like someone the Leafs should keep then.

 

[Gabriel426]

Max isn’t like Tie at all but I think he has a missing bit of arrogance on the ice that we don’t always have. He’s skilled but also has an occasional snap show ability.

That I agree with, Max also strikes me as someone who loves to be hated. Need a few of those guys on the Leafs.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Max Pacioretty interests me as a cheap 1-2 year flier .. age and injury issues the last 2 years are a concern but he might take a cheap deal to win.

Particularly if the Leafs are moving on from Bunting.

Zucker would be a good add too if the price is right. Probably takes a 4-5 year deal though and isn't super cheap.

 

[Americanadian]

this guy might win the cup and conne smythe so not sure about this


in this scenario when and where do we get a good 1C from or are we planning to try to compete without one again?

Just because Eichel wins a conn smythe does it mean Vegas outright won the trade?

As far as getting a 1C? I am not convinced the Leafs were going to compete with Matthews so I am not concerned about competing without him.

 

[SoftDumpNtheCorner88]

Just because Eichel wins a conn smythe does it mean Vegas outright won the trade?

As far as getting a 1C? I am not convinced the Leafs were going to compete with Matthews so I am not concerned about competing without him.

If Vegas wins a cup with Eichel, Vegas 100% won that trade with buffalo.

You win a cup, you've won it all. All the trades you've made good or bad that lead you to that Stanley Cup win is worth it. You put up a Stanley Cup winning banner in your arena, farm team depleted or not.

You'd expect a franchise that hasn't won a cup and felt the pressure of it for over 50years to understand that.

Just like the Toronto Raptors.... We win a championship and still boast about it till this day no matter how bad our team plays... We're the 2019 Champs... And we still drink to that.

Same way it will work in hockey.

If we Trade Matthews, Marner AND Willy.... And win a cup a few seasons after, nobody will care. Matthews, Marner and Willy who? ... Who ever is on our team that wins that cup will be glorified, that's just how it works my dude.

 

[Legion34]

Seems like someone the Leafs should keep then.

They will most likely. Of something goes off the rails with the gm need to know what options are

 

[LaPlante94]

this guy might win the cup and conne smythe so not sure about this


in this scenario when and where do we get a good 1C from or are we planning to try to compete without one again?

Fantilli

 

[Legion34]

If Vegas wins a cup with Eichel, Vegas 100% won that trade with buffalo.

You win a cup, you've won it all. All the trades you've made good or bad that lead you to that Stanley Cup win is worth it. You put up a Stanley Cup winning banner in your arena, farm team depleted or not.

You'd expect a franchise that hasn't won a cup and felt the pressure of it for over 50years to understand that.

Just like the Toronto Raptors.... We win a championship and still boast about it till this day no matter how bad our team plays... We're the 2019 Champs... And we still drink to that.

Same way it will work in hockey.

If we Trade Matthews, Marner AND Willy.... And win a cup a few seasons after, nobody will care. Matthews, Marner and Willy who? ... Who ever is on our team that wins that cup will be glorified, that's just how it works my dude.

Who won the Gretzky trade?

 

[Stephen]

Wonder if a Big 4 trade involving Marner for someone like Werenski or Josi could be possible. This is obviously more on the outlandish side and there are significant age and reputational differences between the two, but I was thinking in terms of the Judd Moldaver Wasserman connection.

 

[Buds17]

Who won the Gretzky trade?

A case to be made for the Oilers once they flipped the biggest part of the return from LAK (Carson) to DET in exchange for three players that contributed to Edmonton's 1990 Cup win (Graves, Murphy and Klima)?

I'd be fine with calling the situation a win-win as well.

 

[Americanadian]

If Vegas wins a cup with Eichel, Vegas 100% won that trade with buffalo.

You win a cup, you've won it all. All the trades you've made good or bad that lead you to that Stanley Cup win is worth it. You put up a Stanley Cup winning banner in your arena, farm team depleted or not.

You'd expect a franchise that hasn't won a cup and felt the pressure of it for over 50years to understand that.

Just like the Toronto Raptors.... We win a championship and still boast about it till this day no matter how bad our team plays... We're the 2019 Champs... And we still drink to that.

Same way it will work in hockey.

If we Trade Matthews, Marner AND Willy.... And win a cup a few seasons after, nobody will care. Matthews, Marner and Willy who? ... Who ever is on our team that wins that cup will be glorified, that's just how it works my dude.

Sorry - the better point would be: does Buffalo care if Eichel wins a cup? I’d say no. Tuch put up 79 points this year at half the cap hit.

 

[WillNy29]

Just because Eichel wins a conn smythe does it mean Vegas outright won the trade?

As far as getting a 1C? I am not convinced the Leafs were going to compete with Matthews so I am not concerned about competing without him.

So if your expert assessment is right then trading a guy you can't compete with is going to not get much in return anyway from knowledgable GMs

Also yes Vegas won if Eichel was the MVP of the reason the sport is played...

Fantilli

oh a player that might be as good as Matthews;

 

[WillNy29]

Sorry - the better point would be: does Buffalo care if Eichel wins a cup? I’d say no. Tuch put up 79 points this year at half the cap hit.

Is the remaining half of the cap hit in the cup final?

 

[Menzinger]

Might be worth familiarizing ourselves with the Flames prospect pool - wonder if there's a couple guys Treliving may want to bring over

 

[Menzinger]

Just because Eichel wins a conn smythe does it mean Vegas outright won the trade?

As far as getting a 1C? I am not convinced the Leafs were going to compete with Matthews so I am not concerned about competing without him.

I'd say it would ultimately be a decisive Vegas win if Eichel helps lead them to a cup even though Buffalo ultimately did well from it. It's a win-win trade, with one side having the bigger W

Though I'd be wary of wishing away the 1C so easily.. without a direct replacement coming back the team basically will be hoping they get lucky to get one out of the draft eventually. The Leafs have drafted exactly 1 in the last 30+ years

 

[Gallagbi]

I'd say it would ultimately be a decisive Vegas win if Eichel helps lead them to a cup even though Buffalo ultimately did well from it. It's a win-win trade, with one side having the bigger W

Though I'd be wary of wishing away the 1C so easily.. without a direct replacement coming back the team basically will be hoping they get lucky to get one out of the draft eventually. The Leafs have drafted exactly 1 in the last 30+ years

Its the modern day Iggy for Niewy deal, but Eichel will stick around longer as an impact player