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Of course not.. but you just bought your thoroughbred.. so.. samsonov doesnt really matter anymore... you would just need a 20-25 game backup
Not needing much in terms of a backup would absolutely add another bonus to bringing in that workhorse starter. That backup still is likely to count for a bit more cap than Woll's cheap ticket though.
 
I would assume that Helly wanting out would lower the end price, but it still wouldn’t be cheap.


St. Louis and Los Angeles would be my preferred trade partners
LA's not bad either, just less in the way of pick/recent prospect capital. Only one 2nd this year, and the non-pro prospect list is pretty limited- Pinelli's the only non-Clarke pick from the last two years that I'd value more than a throw in level asset. Maybe Hughes and Connors.

Moore/Iaffalo/Arvidsson on the proven roster player.

Then you've got Laferriere going pro, Kaliev and Kupari as younger guys with upside
 
Not needing much in terms of a backup would absolutely add another bonus to bringing in that workhorse starter. That backup still is likely to count for a bit more cap than Woll's cheap ticket though.
Maybe.. could sign a vet cheap 900k and try hildeby out a few home games next year.. run a 3 goalie. I mean this team has survived some turnip truck type scenarios the last bit..
 
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When is the last time a top end player was traded for a package of lesser parts and the team getting the best player outright won the deal? Ignoring pending UFA's at the deadline.

The selling team won the following trades:

Karlsson
Duchene
Eichel
Pacioretty
Jones

The ROR and probably the Chychrun trades are even.

I don't count the Tkachuk trade because a lot of people thought Huberdeau was better than Tkachuk at the time.

The McDonagh trade was probably the last outright win for a player with term.

Detroit and maybe Anaheim are the only two teams that may want to trade potentially great young players for Marner.


Brodie + Marner for Pavel Mintyukov + Troy Terry + protected 2024 1st round pick

Marner for Lucas Raymond/Simon Edvinsson + 2023 1st round pick
 
LA's not bad either, just less in the way of pick/recent prospect capital. Only one 2nd this year, and the non-pro prospect list is pretty limited- Pinelli's the only non-Clarke pick from the last two years that I'd value more than a throw in level asset. Maybe Hughes and Connors.

Moore/Iaffalo/Arvidsson on the proven roster player.

Then you've got Laferriere going pro, Kaliev and Kupari as younger guys with upside

LA has very little cap space.
 
Let me state my opinion on this team, and it's future.

Matthews shooting was subpar all year, and in particular in the playoffs. Before this season, he was an elite goal scorer, and elite shooter. I think it was clear to all, he just didn't have it this year. Perhaps another wrist issue, perhaps surgery, perhaps he returns to being elite again next year.

If the Matthews of this year, is what we have going forward, as in an above average, but not elite shooter, it doesn't matter what we do roster wise. This team is not going to win, unless Matthews returns to being an elite shooter. (Outside of basically a tear down, and rebuild.)
 
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IMO Seattle and St.Louis have to be up there.
Seattle -slated to have 10 picks between 35 and 70 between the 21-23 drafts, Bjorkstrand/Schwartz as sensible wingers coming back
St. Louis - 3x 1st rounders, Neighbours/Snuggerud/Bolduc/Dean/Buchinger as young capital, money coming back -Saad/Schenn/Kyrou/Buchnevich

Seattle competing earlier than expected but lacking star power
St.Louis with a lot of money committed, almost tied to a retool.

Good call. I could see Seattle being itchy at making a splash, I just don't think they have a top prospect to make it work unless you really like Wright. I don't see them trading Beniers. But overall could be a team that gets aggressive.

The Blues could be a team in the mix for sure.
 
Good call. I could see Seattle being itchy at making a splash, I just don't think they have the top prospects to make it work unless you really like Wright. I don't see them trading Beniers. They have some good parts though to probably raise an eyebrow.

The Blues could be a team in the mix for sure.
Seattle shouldnt make a splash imo unless its a defenceman.. their players fit the system and vice versa.. they need another year to see whats real and go from there
 
Detroit and maybe Anaheim are the only two teams that may want to trade potentially great young players for Marner.


Brodie + Marner for Pavel Mintyukov + Troy Terry + protected 2024 1st round pick

Marner for Lucas Raymond/Simon Edvinsson + 2023 1st round pick
Anaheim has no business making that kind of move but I'd do it in a heartbeat. Detroit is closer to a "win now" model with them having Larking and Copp signed long term but they should be worried about signing Marner. Edvinsson+9OA would be an awesome package for the Leafs.
 
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I'd retain 50% on Matthews and take back Peterson if it meant getting one of Vilardi/Byfield+Clarke+Iafallo. It would open up cap space for them.
LA has no business making that kind of move.
I believe you are not taking into consideration that Matthews should be traded to team for which he is the biggest need and have cap space for him not only for this year.
LA biggest problems are defense, goaltending and not enough physicality. They need money to sign their own free agents (Gavrikov, Vilardi and Kupari). If Matthews will be signed by Kings, LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team.
I believe LA and Toronto have similar needs and they are not good trading partners.
 
LA has no business making that kind of move.
I believe you are not taking into consideration that Matthews should be traded to team for which he is the biggest need and have cap space for him not only for this year.
LA biggest problems are defense, goaltending and not enough physicality. They need money to sign their own free agents (Gavrikov, Vilardi and Kupari). If Matthews will be signed by Kings, LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team.
I believe LA and Toronto have similar needs and they are not good trading partners.
I’m not disagreeing with you on what your team needs, but when a generational talent like Matthews becomes available potentially you put your “specific team needs” aside.

It’s almost like saying we don’t have a need for McDavid because we already have our number 1 center in Matthews.

You acquire that generational talent and worry about the rest afterwards.
 
LA has no business making that kind of move.
I believe you are not taking into consideration that Matthews should be traded to team for which he is the biggest need and have cap space for him not only for this year.
LA biggest problems are defense, goaltending and not enough physicality. They need money to sign their own free agents (Gavrikov, Vilardi and Kupari). If Matthews will be signed by Kings, LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team.
I believe LA and Toronto have similar needs and they are not good trading partners.
Pardon my ignorance here - wouldn't a package of Vilardi, Iafallo, Peterson, Clarke for Matthews @50% clear 5M+4M+3.5M (Vilardi projection) off the books and replace it with 5.82M? A net of ~6.7M in cap space for LAK - more than enough to re-sign Gavrikov. You have mentioned LAK are in cap trouble multiple times on the Leafs board and I have more than compensated for that with this proposal. As far as Matthews extension - you're signing him once Kopitar/Arvidsson/Walker expire.
 
Pardon my ignorance here - wouldn't a package of Vilardi, Iafallo, Peterson, Clarke for Matthews @50% clear 5M+4M+3.5M (Vilardi projection) off the books and replace it with 5.82M? A net of ~6.7M in cap space for LAK - more than enough to re-sign Gavrikov. You have mentioned LAK are in cap trouble multiple times on the Leafs board and I have more than compensated for that with this proposal. As far as Matthews extension - you're signing him once Kopitar/Arvidsson/Walker expire.
50% discount on Matthews for year 2024 will not change LA need to sign Matthews for 13-15 million starting years after.

That is why your math does not work for Kings.

LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team.

P.S. 1D is much more important to LA than 1C. Clarke is not for trade for sure.
 
50% discount on Matthews for year 2024 will not change LA need to sign Matthews for 13-15 million starting years after.

That is why your math does not work for Kings.

LA will have no ability to have deep and talented roster needed for contending team.

P.S. 1D is much more important to LA than 1C. Clarke is not for trade for sure.
I also highlighted this - Arvidsson, Walker, Kopitar will all be expiring. Let's say Matthews makes 13.5M. That's a 7.7M increase on the 5.82M you'd be paying him at 50%. That's almost equivalent to what Walker+Arvidsson make. Then you take the money delta off Kopitar's next contract to pay Roy.

P.S. Calling Clarke a surefire 1D who has more value than Matthews is ridiculous.
 
I also highlighted this - Arvidsson, Walker, Kopitar will all be expiring. Let's say Matthews makes 13.5M. That's a 7.7M increase on the 5.82M you'd be paying him at 50%. That's almost equivalent to what Walker+Arvidsson make. Then you take the money delta off Kopitar's next contract to pay Roy.

P.S. Calling Clarke a surefire 1D who has more value than Matthews is ridiculous.
I think you convinced yourself how good Matthews is, but you did not convince me.
Winning one playoff round in 7 tries does not make him great player.
Again, LA has no need or money to trade for him.
Currently Kings do not have 1D or 2D and Clarke is their only hope.
If you believe that Doughty is still 1D or 2D you can have him.
 
I think you convinced yourself how good Matthews is, but you did not convince me.
Winning one playoff round in 7 tries does not make him great player.
Again, LA has no need or money to trade for him.
Currently Kings do not have 1D or 2D and Clarke is their only hope.
If you believe that Doughty is still 1D or 2D you can have him.
Auston Matthews is objectively worth more than Clarke +.
 
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Auston Matthews is objectively worth more than Clarke +.
Just because we value our players so highly doesn't mean others or their GMs will as well. I believe Futa said this in an interview. You can probably find a GM who'll give up everything for Matthews but LA might not want to since they have so many good prospects and depth that they probably feel like they can win without a Matthews or look for a deal for a C that would be much cheaper in trade value and towards their cap.
 
Could something that shores up our net be a focus?

Connor Hellebuyck seems to want out of Winnipeg, and can provide Vezina level goaltending. I understand that goalies weren’t necessarily our problem, but would we be better off making it a strength?

Run Helly and Woll as our tandem, and work on adding to the defense in FA?

I think this is a very interesting idea.

If you assume that we will change the dynamics of this roster under the new GM, Having a legitimate #1 goalie certainly has our upside looking different.

Every playoff series we played in we were basically hoping our goaltending held up and you can probably only say we had the goalie advantage in the Columbus series.

Hellebuyck you'd be going into every series with the advantage in the crease in every series minus 1-3 arguably.

Woll is defintely talented and could become very good but it's also very risky to bet some of our championship window years on that happening right now.

What if we sacrificed some offense to get better at D and G and then went back out and found some under the radar depth forwards. who brought a certain playstyle.

Maybe we become a faster and harder team to play against that is elite defensively with a elite starter in net?

I'm a noob when it comes to the cap so maybe this all wouldn't work but I do think it's a worthwhile thought because theres many different ways you can build a championship roster.
 
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This, so much this.

Moving a core piece or two is a big retool and folks should expect a small step back, but it could be worthwhile

The stepback also could be overstated if there's a new coach who's instilling a different playstyle or culture than before.

Sometimes lower skilled teams on "Paper" can actually do better than the skilled version if they work harder, are willing to sacrifice more and have important players in the correct spots and are better coached.

We could easily see a situation where the new GM comes in and makes some moves that don't win us that trade on the tradevaluescale but possibly make us a more balanced team that is more suited to winning 4 series in the playoffs.
 
I think this is a very interesting idea.

If you assume that we will change the dynamics of this roster under the new GM, Having a legitimate #1 goalie certainly has our upside looking different.

Every playoff series we played in we were basically hoping our goaltending held up and you can probably only say we had the goalie advantage in the Columbus series.

Hellebuyck you'd be going into every series with the advantage in the crease in every series minus 1-3 arguably.

Woll is defintely talented and could become very good but it's also very risky to bet some of our championship window years on that happening right now.

What if we sacrificed some offense to get better at D and G and then went back out and found some under the radar depth forwards. who brought a certain playstyle.

Maybe we become a faster and harder team to play against that is elite defensively with a elite starter in net?

I'm a noob when it comes to the cap so maybe this all wouldn't work but I do think it's a worthwhile thought because theres many different ways you can build a championship roster.
That’s just it. If you can get 4 years of Vezina calibre goaltending, and use some cap to improve the defense, we have some offense to spare. We would have a goalie that could win you games, himself, and still have elite weapons up front. Florida has been outplayed the majority of this run, but have a goalie that doesn’t allow them to lose, and keeps them right at a place where they can win every game.
 
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That’s just it. If you can get 4 years of Vezina calibre goaltending, and use some cap to improve the defense, we have some offense to spare. We would have a goalie that could win you games, himself, and still have elite weapons up front. Florida has been outplayed the majority of this run, but have a goalie that doesn’t allow them to lose, and keeps them right at a place where they can win every game.

I usually wouldn't be for this but I think the biggest argument for it, is that its Hellebuyck and that he's one of the few remaining consistent #1's you can count on.

Maybe the key to stop getting eliminated from being "Goalied" is to get a goaltender that starts doing that regularly to the other team :laugh:.
 
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If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

I think one can make a decentbcasentontrsde one of Marner or Nylander in particular. A team likely can get by with one star winger. Tavares would make even more sense but he's not going anywhere.

Issue is I don't think management in its current state will be willing to risk a step back, so I'm personally not expecting that type of shakeup trade anytime soon. I could maybe see it if it returned a vet 2C or vet top pairing D in a hockey trade more so than futures
 
I joked about Domi earlier but I do think he’d be a good Bunting replacement. Would be cheaper than Bertuzzi, has a good amount of skill, plays a similar pest-style game but with the added ability of being able to chuck ‘em now and again.

Twice this year with Chicago Kane took a hit that Domi didn’t care for and he immediately jumped the guy that did it. We need more of that on this team, especially after what happened with Knies.
 
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