Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[andora]

Marner for Lindholm +

should be the deal if we're trading any of our forwards for lindholm. we could probably sign him for 3-4m less than what Marner is going to want on his next deal. Also allows you to move Tavares to wing.

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-Lindholm-FA/Trade

If an injury happens, Tavares can step into a C role as well.

Now do calgarys lines including center.. and.. they arent retooling

 

[Tony Romo]

Now do calgarys lines including center.. and.. they arent retooling

I was just going off what everyone was suggesting.

 

[LaPlante94]

Marner for Lindholm +

should be the deal if we're trading any of our forwards for lindholm. we could probably sign him for 3-4m less than what Marner is going to want on his next deal. Also allows you to move Tavares to wing.

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-Lindholm-FA/Trade

If an injury happens, Tavares can step into a C role as well.

I think most think Lindholm is gonna be named captain of Calgary since they haven't had one since Gio left so I doubt they'll look to move Lindholm.

 

[Legion34]

Now do calgarys lines including center.. and.. they arent retooling

Centres

Kadri
Backstrom
Dube
Which is exactly what it would be if lindholm doesn’t extend

Lindholm has said he has 1 year left and will see

 

[andora]

Centres

Kadri
Backstrom
Dube
Which is exactly what it would be if lindholm doesn’t extend

Lindholm has said he has 1 year left and will see

God you confused me with backlund there .. like extra few seconds wtf mode there

Dube is a winger though... and backlund is phenominal in a 3 hole at this point..

 

[SprDaVE]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

 

[4thline]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future.

There's a chance we thread the needle on a hockey trade and bring back a star of comparable contract status at a different position/ of a different skillset. But odds are far better of a package happening. And people are going to be mad. We're almost certainly going to "lose" the trade. The other team will get the better player. But that's not a good barometer of trade success. The real question will be if we're better off.

Will we be better off? Chances are some will say no. Will we look as much like an all-star team up front? No. Will we rack up as many points in the regular season? Who knows. Could the different mix lead to playoff success? That's the bet. We've done the 110 point all-star team thing, hasn't worked. If we're not running it back it's because we want to get less top heavy. Less top heavy means no replacement star, means package.

 

[BertCorbeau]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

This, so much this.

Moving a core piece or two is a big retool and folks should expect a small step back, but it could be worthwhile

 

[Americanadian]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

Nice to see people coming around on this.

 

[Americanadian]

There's a chance we thread the needle on a hockey trade and bring back a star of comparable contract status at a different position/ of a different skillset. But odds are far better of a package happening. And people are going to be mad. We're almost certainly going to "lose" the trade. The other team will get the better player. But that's not a good barometer of trade success. The real question will be if we're better off.

Will we be better off? Chances are some will say no. Will we look as much like an all-star team up front? No. Will we rack up as many points in the regular season? Who knows. Could the different mix lead to playoff success? That's the bet. We've done the 110 point all-star team thing, hasn't worked. If we're not running it back it's because we want to get less top heavy. Less top heavy means no replacement star, means package.

When is the last time a top end player was traded for a package of lesser parts and the team getting the best player outright won the deal? Ignoring pending UFA's at the deadline.

The selling team won the following trades:

Karlsson
Duchene
Eichel
Pacioretty
Jones

The ROR and probably the Chychrun trades are even.

I don't count the Tkachuk trade because a lot of people thought Huberdeau was better than Tkachuk at the time.

The McDonagh trade was probably the last outright win for a player with term.

 

[4thline]

When is the last time a top end player was traded for a package of lesser parts and the team getting the best player outright won the deal? Ignoring pending UFA's at the deadline.

The selling team won the following trades:

Karlsson
Duchene
Eichel
Pacioretty
Jones

Karlsson and Eichel were definitely met with derision at the time, I got flamed pretty hard for defending those returns.

 

[TheDoldrums]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

Buffalo was bad when they traded Eichel. Colorado was coming off a 48 point season when they traded Duchene. I mean obviously they are going to target futures in the return.

We are not bad. We can potentially win next season. I really do not like the idea of trading a star player for prospects that could be good years down the road. If we trade Marner for futures, who's to say Matthews is an elite player 3 years from now when those futures can help?

 

[Americanadian]

Karlsson and Eichel were definitely met with derision at the time, I got flamed pretty hard for defending those returns.

Generally speaking - a good chunk of trades that look bad for one team when they are made, look good for that team in the long run. I'd estimate 50%.

 

[SprDaVE]

Buffalo was bad when they traded Eichel. Colorado was coming off a 48 point season when they traded Duchene. I mean obviously they are going to target futures in the return.

We are not bad. We can potentially win next season. I really do not like the idea of trading a star player for prospects that could be good years down the road. If we trade Marner for futures, who's to say Matthews is an elite player 3 years from now when those futures can help?

That's fair but if you're looking at staying at the same level, you might as well keep the players that you know right? These players are great and you know you'll get star level performances in the regular season. They want to stay as well, so we're not being forced to trade any of them. Eichel and Duchene both requested trades out.

The point is changing the core and changing the outlook of the team, as well as distributing the cap a little better through the lineup, and that often means taking 1 step back to take 2 forward. Trading for futures isn't to get elite level players out of all those prospects/picks, it's give yourself more chances at finding good to great players, while also replenishing the depth of the team. We're making changes because we can't win when it matters, not because the team isn't good.

Not to say you can't make a good to great sideways move that works out short and long term. Tkachuk for Huberdeau and Weegar, Seth Jones for Ryan Johansen, Weber for Subban, Hall for Larsson come to mind with varying results. I just think those are very hard to pull off, it needs to line up very well and they have a tendency to go really bad.

 

[showtime8]

If you're going with a Marner or Nylander or maybe even Matthews trade, it would make so much more sense and a lot easier to target top prospects and good young players with potential to replenish depth and look for long-term homeruns. The Eichel trade is the more recent star trade that fits this.

The Avalanche essentially got Bo Byram and Samuel Girard after they traded Matt Duchene to the Sens back in 2017 in that 3-way trade with Nashville. They got other parts that haven't really worked out but you don't need every piece to hit.

I would not target primed players or even players with contracts that need an extension going past their prime in the near future. It's much better for the team to take step back with long-term options and retool this way than to go sideways with expensive primed players. I don't know why fans get excited to trade Marner for Lindholm and other spare parts.

Who do you look at in this case though? There has to be a team that can handle the big contract and be in a position to make those moves.

I was thinking about maybe a team like Philadelphia, where you're getting Farabee & Gauthier. You've got 1 player locked-in to term and another to replenish depth.

 

[TMLAM34]

I wonder if Carolina would have interest in Nylander. It’s not very typical of them to trade for a pending UFA but apparently they’ve had interest in him previously.

This definitely isn’t a very popular name around here but Kotkaniemi wouldn’t be a bad addition especially with our lack of center depth and how hard it’ll be to actually acquire a top six center.

To Toronto: Jesperi Kotkaniemi + Scott Morrow + 1st Round Draft Pick
To Carolina: William Nylander

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Could something that shores up our net be a focus?

Connor Hellebuyck seems to want out of Winnipeg, and can provide Vezina level goaltending. I understand that goalies weren’t necessarily our problem, but would we be better off making it a strength?

Run Helly and Woll as our tandem, and work on adding to the defense in FA?

 

[SprDaVE]

Who do you look at in this case though? There has to be a team that can handle the big contract and be in a position to make those moves.

I was thinking about maybe a team like Philadelphia, where you're getting Farabee & Gauthier. You've got 1 player locked-in to term and another to replenish depth.

I didn't mean the Leafs shouldn't take back salary to make it work but mostly aim for younger players, prospects and top picks.

Philly is full on rebuilding. There's no way they touch that. They are going the Chicago and Arizona routes, or at least thats what they say they are doing.

Red Wings, Kings and Jackets are probably 3 teams with the draft capital and surplus of good prospects/young players and likely interested in adding a big time player. Sharks and Preds are 2 teams that could also be in the mix but it depends what route they are taking with their new managers. Carolina has the cap space and some pieces that fit.

 

[TMLAM34]

Could something that shores up our net be a focus?

Connor Hellebuyck seems to want out of Winnipeg, and can provide Vezina level goaltending. I understand that goalies weren’t necessarily our problem, but would we be better off making it a strength?

Run Helly and Woll as our tandem, and work on adding to the defense in FA?

I wonder what the cost would be to acquire Hellebuyck? Would Samsonov + 1st Rounder be enough?

 

[Buds17]

Could something that shores up our net be a focus?

Connor Hellebuyck seems to want out of Winnipeg, and can provide Vezina level goaltending. I understand that goalies weren’t necessarily our problem, but would we be better off making it a strength?

Run Helly and Woll as our tandem, and work on adding to the defense in FA?

We'd have to be able to re-sign him and have the willingness to make a major shuffle regarding cap allocation. Some moving parts to be considered.

 

[andora]

I wonder what the cost would be to acquire Hellebuyck? Would Samsonov + 1st Rounder be enough?

I think they need more

Pretend to be winnipeg.. would you ask for samsonov or woll

 

[4thline]

Red Wings, Kings and Jackets are probably 3 teams with the draft capital and surplus of good prospects/young players and likely interested in adding a big time player. Sharks and Preds are 2 teams that could also be in the mix but it depends what route they are taking with their new managers. Carolina has the cap space and some pieces that fit.

IMO Seattle and St.Louis have to be up there.
Seattle -slated to have 10 picks between 35 and 70 between the 21-23 drafts, Bjorkstrand/Schwartz as sensible wingers coming back
St. Louis - 3x 1st rounders, Neighbours/Snuggerud/Bolduc/Dean/Buchinger as young capital, money coming back -Saad/Schenn/Kyrou/Buchnevich

Seattle competing earlier than expected but lacking star power
St.Louis with a lot of money committed, almost tied to a retool.

 

[Buds17]

I think they need more

Pretend to be winnipeg.. would you ask for samsonov or woll

Which is where the Leafs might have to bow out since they'd have to change both parts of the goalie tandem (retaining Samsonov as a backup wouldn't make sense).

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I wonder what the cost would be to acquire Hellebuyck? Would Samsonov + 1st Rounder be enough?

I would assume that Helly wanting out would lower the end price, but it still wouldn’t be cheap.

IMO Seattle and St.Louis have to be up there.
Seattle -slated to have 10 picks between 35 and 70 between the 21-23 drafts, Bjorkstrand/Schwartz as sensible wingers coming back
St. Louis - 3x 1st rounders, Neighbours/Snuggerud/Bolduc/Dean/Buchinger as young capital, money coming back -Saad/Schenn/Kyrou/Buchnevich

Seattle competing earlier than expected but lacking star power
St.Louis with a lot of money committed, almost tied to a retool.

St. Louis and Los Angeles would be my preferred trade partners

 

[andora]

Which is where the Leafs might have to bow out since they'd have to change both parts of the goalie tandem (retaining Samsonov as a backup wouldn't make sense).

Of course not.. but you just bought your thoroughbred.. so.. samsonov doesnt really matter anymore... you would just need a 20-25 game backup