Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Brobust]

It may be the simplest transaction but it is also the worst for the Leafs short of paying a stupid amount to dump him.

And it would not be significantly more complicated to make a move that makes a lot more sense for the Leafs.

We'll see if the new GM can do that.

Murray buyout is not restrictive at all. I assume this is one of the reasons that Dubas went with him instead of Husso or Georgiev. Less term, easy buyout.

It's just under $700K for this season and $2M for the next. Should also make him relatively easy to trade to a rich, rebuilding team but with Bedard going the Blackhawks there really aren't a lot of options.

Ok now that is out of the way...Dont think Vancouver is a good dance partner for Leafs.

Our team is in a precarious position. I wouldn't tempt fate by making fun of any other team. Just my superstitions.

 

[andora]

Maybe but the construction of the supporting cast may need to change instead.

Dubas' plan has been top offensive lines and 2 defensive lines which are offensive black holes. They finally have some flexibility to create a real 3rd line.

Also, on Marner, he's Toronto's leading point scorer in the playoffs. No where close his regular season production but still impressive and as Cam Charron (former leafs staff) pointed out, he absolutely dominated Tampa in the last 2 seasons.

All fair points.. but i still look around

 

[Brobust]

No it's not a joke, most likely unrealistic, but is it possible, time we'll tell. But all those players listed won't make more than Matthew, Marner, or Nylander. If we do trade for Lindolm, Hanifin, Jarvis, I expect them to sign a contract extension right away.

Lindolm: $7-8M
Hanifin:$6-7M
Jarvis:$3.5-4M

If this free agency we don't sign anyone big, we could have in the 23-24 off season $31M in cap space. So we could sign one of Sebastian Aho, Jake Guentzel, Ilya Sorokin, or someone else.

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I get it, but if you're doing this you should probably focus on futures instead of expiring deals like Lindholm and Hanifin.

Overall, it's nice to think about but unrealistic.

 

[andora]

Ok now that is out of the way...Dont think Vancouver is a good dance partner for Leafs.

I am not sure the laughter?

 

[Martin Skoula]

I am not sure the laughter?

They have the softest F group in the league, how are they going to play an aggressive forecheck game without completely gutting the team? Miller is the only one with a pulse and the size to use it.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

I get it, but if you're doing this you should probably focus on futures instead of expiring deals like Lindholm and Hanifin.

Overall, it's nice to think about but unrealistic.

I know, but I get wet dream thinking about Lindolm, Fantilli,and Aho down the middle.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Murray buyout is not restrictive at all. I assume this is one of the reasons that Dubas went with him instead of Husso or Georgiev. Less term, easy buyout.

It's just under $700K for this season and $2M for the next. Should also make him relatively easy to trade to a rich, rebuilding team but with Bedard going the Blackhawks there really aren't a lot of options.


Our team is in a precarious position. I wouldn't tempt fate by making fun of any other team. Just my superstitions.

Not really superstitious Man even if we win the cup, we'll still be picked as it comes with being a Leafer So let's hope we get the cup! However you are right should be respectful, just can't stand Toccet.

I am not sure the laughter?

Not a fan of Tocchet, and his style of coaching with the group you have excluding Miller & Hoglander I'd say play that. I don't think your roster really is comparable to those two teams.

 

[MarMarSab3]

Elias Lindholm and Hanifin for Marner ?

Reilly Schenn
McCabe Liljegren
Hanifin Brodie

 

[andora]

Not really superstitious Man even if we win the cup, we'll still be picked as it comes with being a Leafer So let's hope we get the cup! However you are right should be respectful, just can't stand Toccet.

Not a fan of Tocchet, and his style of coaching with the group you have excluding Miller & Hoglander I'd say play that. I don't think your roster really is comparable to those two teams.

didn't say it was though..

They have the softest F group in the league, how are they going to play an aggressive forecheck game without completely gutting the team? Miller is the only one with a pulse and the size to use it.

there are more players there than at first glance that can play that type of game atleast in my opinion.

i mean let's quickly look at carolina's roster - i will insert svechnikov in cause .. well he counts.

svechnikov / aho / jarvis
teravainen / staal / necas
martinook / kotkaniemi / fast
maceachern / stepan / stastny / drury / noesen

this is the group that plays an awesome brand of hockey, great forecheck / puck support / quick sticks / pucks quickly up / positioning by speed. now a quick look at vancouver's roster (ugh)

mikheyev / pettersson / kuzmenko
di giuseppe / miller / boeser
beauvillier / aman / garland
podkolzin / hoglander / dries / joshua

so when we think of playing the way the canes do, and when looking at the players vancouver has with their skillsets is it that outlandish to play that way. this is NOT comparing player to player and who is better... but specifically looking at wingers: mikheyev / di giuseppe / beauvillier / garland / podkolzin / hoglander (i swear he can turn it around and turn into a jesper fast type player) / joshua can all / already sort of play with those traits. this team needs to play and learn this system and play together, not like they were with boudreau, and not collapse like they did with green but to play aggressively with support - that's the whole premise. aggressive with support - 1 to the puck supported by 2 / 2 takes lead supported by 3 as 1 rolls back / 3 takes lead supported by 1 as 2 rolls back and on and on. they can do it.

not to say there aren't players i would like to move off of - boeser.. and then likely one of beauvillier or garland simply for money. they are definitely lacking a good glue 3C and that has to be a priority over the next 6 months. and defence.. well .. that is where they have the biggest mountain to climb if they want to start seeing results like these other teams, but to start playing like them and adopting this style is well within their reach.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Elias Lindholm and Hanifin for Marner ?

I feel like there would be more pieces involved other but maybe?

also...Both leafs and cookie waiting to sign that contract extension

 

[I am Canadian]

What would you all think of trading for Connor Hellebuyck? Run with Hellebuyck & Woll as our combo next year? Sammy was great for us but this is a buiness he was pretty injury prone.

 

[Rielly4]

Nylander and Samsonov for Hellebuyck and Dubois? If Dubois is willing to resign for 7-7.5 that could be a good move I think. Would suck to see Willy go though.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Sharks seem like a perfect fit to dump Murray, could potentially be the starter there for now.

Murray + 28th + someone like Steeves (opportunity to play)
For
Lorentz + 36th

Lorentz is an Ontario boy and Leafs fan growing up, physical, can play all 3 F positions, plays PK, and hustles hard.

 

[TheGroceryStick]

Seth Jones
Taylor Raddysh
55th


For

William Nylander
Nick Robertson
Matt Murray (dump)
28th

Big minute muncher RHD and a 20g winger with size.

Chicago adds another 1st...gets more pieces in line with the Bedard build.

 

[TMLAM34]

Seth Jones
Taylor Raddysh
55th


For

William Nylander
Nick Robertson
Matt Murray (dump)
28th

Big minute muncher RHD and a 20g winger with size.

Chicago adds another 1st...gets more pieces in line with the Bedard build.

Jones’ contract is terrible.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Auston Matthew
Matt Murray

For

Ana 2nd overall pick
Jamie Drydale
Bos 2nd rd pick



Mitch Marner
Connor Timmins

For

Elias Lindholm
Noah Hanifin
CGY first rd pick
2024 3rd rd pick

 

[SprDaVE]

Seth Jones
Taylor Raddysh
55th


For

William Nylander
Nick Robertson
Matt Murray (dump)
28th

Big minute muncher RHD and a 20g winger with size.

Chicago adds another 1st...gets more pieces in line with the Bedard build.

No offense or anything but this made me nauseous. It's bad.

Auston Matthew
Matt Murray

For

Ana 2nd overall pick
Jamie Drydale
Bos 2nd rd pick



Mitch Marner
Connor Timmins

For

Elias Lindholm
Noah Hanifin
CGY first rd pick
2024 3rd rd pick

The Anaheim one on paper would be the start of what I'd ask. They'd probably have to throw in another good player like Terry or something but it's the bare minimum I'd expect. Safe to say they aren't doing that as a rebuilding team.

The Calgary one is a no thanks.

 

[andora]

If we are dealing with anaheim we need mactavish

 

[the real Fox mulder]

No offense or anything but this made me nauseous. It's bad.



The Anaheim one on paper would be the start of what I'd ask. They'd probably have to throw in another good player like Terry or something but it's the bare minimum I'd expect. Safe to say they aren't doing that as a rebuilding team.

The Calgary one is a no thanks.

I think if Anaheim had the option of Zegras, Matthew, McTavish down the middle. I would think they would consider that.

If I swap Hanifin for Ramus Andersson would you still consider the trade?

 

[Rare Jewel]

Sharks seem like a perfect fit to dump Murray, could potentially be the starter there for now.

Murray + 28th + someone like Steeves (opportunity to play)
For
Lorentz + 36th

Lorentz is an Ontario boy and Leafs fan growing up, physical, can play all 3 F positions, plays PK, and hustles hard.

Gimme Nico Strum instead.

It may cost more, but he's a better replacement for Kampf or even ROR and is likely to score more than the former.

 

[TMLAM34]

I think Lindholm is the perfect target for us this summer.

By the sounds of it, Calgary is willing to make a core player shakeup as well.

Something around Nylander for Lindholm works for both sides. Both players are pending UFA’s. Nylander was born in Calgary. We need a second line center.

Moving forward Calgary will have the money to re-sign Nylander around 9.5 million which we can’t afford.

We can re-sign Lindholm for 7.5 which is a little more reasonable moving forward for us.

 

[Americanadian]

I think Lindholm is the perfect target for us this summer.

By the sounds of it, Calgary is willing to make a core player shakeup as well.

Something around Nylander for Lindholm works for both sides. Both players are pending UFA’s. Nylander was born in Calgary. We need a second line center.

Moving forward Calgary will have the money to re-sign Nylander around 9.5 million which we can’t afford.

We can re-sign Lindholm for 7.5 which is a little more reasonable moving forward for us.

I don't understand why the expectation is Lindholm will sign for less than Nylander. Both players have scored 40 goals one time in their career. Lindholm plays the premium position and Lindholm is the superior defensive player.

 

[Buds17]

I don't understand why the expectation is Lindholm will sign for less than Nylander. Both players have scored 40 goals one time in their career. Lindholm plays the premium position and Lindholm is the superior defensive player.

In comparison, Nylander currently earns more, has been superior offensively and is a bit younger. Barring vastly different term lengths, I'll be fairly surprised if Lindholm's new contract (AAV) ends up being equivalent to Nylander's upcoming deal.

 

[TMLAM34]

In comparison, Nylander currently earns more, has been superior offensively and is a bit younger. I'll be fairly surprised if Lindholm's new contract (AAV) ends up being equivalent to Nylander's upcoming deal.

Yeah zero percent chance Lindholm makes as much as Nylander lol

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Marner for Rantanen
One is a manlet with a sucky baby attitude, the other is a 6'4 viking